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Hey everyone! Words cannot express how excited I am to see that this thread exists on here. My first day on the message boards and I already feel at home :)

My 2 cents:

As far as Hamilton and pit stops, can we talk about Catalunya for a second? Hamilton gave up the lead to pit and he had one more pit stop than everybody else... he didn't seem to mind placing under Rosberg then. In my opinion, the pit stop at Monaco was perfectly understandable. Even though it's hard to pass someone with worn tires, Hamilton did have a brake bias issue (imagine re-starting after the safety car, under those conditions: Cold/worn tires, bad brake bias, fast guys behind you)... all that combined would have him slipping all over the course, looking like Raikkonen did at Catalunya. Bye bye 19 second lead. Which, speaking of Catalunya..Bottas did play a very good game and kept it cool, but Ferrari is blaming Raikkonen for a car that is obviously poorly set up. It's pretty impressive that Raikkonen can stay right on Bottas' tail even with his car slipping everywhere, in every turn....but I digress. :)

Every time Rosberg gets a win, all the Hamsters (Hamilton Fans) act like he's nothing more than a back-marker with some good luck. Fact is: The dude is fast. People can preach all they want about how the race was stolen from Hamilton, but let's be real. It's Monaco. Even if he didn't pit, he would have been choosing the lesser of two evils. Either driving on worn tires with a bad brake bias (For example, 2014 Brazil spinout) or risk losing the lead to be on fresh tires. Rosberg's lap times are consistently on par with Hamilton, and ROSBERG was the one to set THE fastest lap time during that race. Nobody is looking at Rosberg, and they never have because his teammate is either World Champion Lewis Hamilton or Multiple time World Champion Schumacher. Every time he wins, he deserves the win. How people can consistently look over the fact that he is one of the fastest drivers in Formula One is beyond me.

I'm not bashing Hamilton by any means, and sometimes he is incredibly impressive to watch. I'm actually a pretty hardcore Hamilton fan, but people should recognize talent for talent. Rosberg isn't lucky... he's fast.

Speaking of people to watch. Max Verstappen. Holy Senna re-incarnate, batman. He's going to be fun to watch. :)

I'm bad at quoting one post in separate bubbles so you'll have to put up with me responding while reading down your post.

Regarding Catalunya, he was never in the lead of that race so are you thinking of a different year? He should have been ahead of Vettel after the first stop but his stop was botched and he was stuck behind Vettel again which meant Mercedes decided to change him to a short 2nd stint in order for him to get clear track ASAP and make up a pitstops worth of time on the track since the pitstops were unreliable and slower than Ferrari's. The pitstop at Monaco was foolish from an outsiders perspective and you could tell Hamilton had a similar opinion of the choice which you feel wouldn't have been his attitude if the car was struggling before he stopped. Also even if he's worn his tyres out (he stopped later than both cars behind him) with his horsepower its going to be virtually impossible to pass him unless he goes off the circuit. Going back to Spain, its a deceptively difficult track to overtake on especially when you're unable to go flatout on the final corner. So Raikkonen not being able to overtake was no surprise and when you consider he was on the softer tyres he was always going to lose more grip compared to Bottas at the end of the race.

I'm not a Hamilton fan (I'm a Button fan and was very happy with the Monaco result) but I think Rosberg is a good driver. However he's not champion material for me in the same way that Webber wasn't and frankly Button isn't (perfect car plus average teammate = win). His pace is slightly off Hamilton's on average and he never wins if Hamilton starts ahead of him. I'd almost compare it to Ricciardo and Vettel last year, Vettel never made much progress in races while Ricciardo would frequently finish higher than the car deserved to. But back to Rosberg, I would be one of those who doesn't think he's one of the fastest in F1. In terms of speed I'd put, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel and Ricciardo ahead of him since all of them have a track record of winning races they shouldn't win while Rosberg has always won with the fastest car on the day (just like Coulthard did).

Not overly impressed by Verstappen so far, his teammate Sainz is a match for him at the moment although I concede that his pace given his lack of single seater experience is good. The problem with pairing 2 new drivers together is that its impossible to say just how good they are, Toro Rosso almost had Vergne set the benchmark in the past 2 years and if you could beat him you were good enough. Now who knows how well they'd do if they were paired up with a known quantity.

Anyway I'm glad that the Monaco GP to done for another year and here's hoping we never have to see another one.
 
Regarding Catalunya, he was never in the lead of that race so are you thinking of a different year? He should have been ahead of Vettel after the first stop but his stop was botched and he was stuck behind Vettel again which meant Mercedes decided to change him to a short 2nd stint in order for him to get clear track ASAP and make up a pitstops worth of time on the track since the pitstops were unreliable and slower than Ferrari's. The pitstop at Monaco was foolish from an outsiders perspective and you could tell Hamilton had a similar opinion of the choice which you feel wouldn't have been his attitude if the car was struggling before he stopped. Also even if he's worn his tyres out (he stopped later than both cars behind him) with his horsepower its going to be virtually impossible to pass him unless he goes off the circuit. Going back to Spain, its a deceptively difficult track to overtake on especially when you're unable to go flatout on the final corner. So Raikkonen not being able to overtake was no surprise and when you consider he was on the softer tyres he was always going to lose more grip compared to Bottas at the end of the race.

I'm not a Hamilton fan (I'm a Button fan and was very happy with the Monaco result) but I think Rosberg is a good driver. However he's not champion material for me in the same way that Webber wasn't and frankly Button isn't (perfect car plus average teammate = win). His pace is slightly off Hamilton's on average and he never wins if Hamilton starts ahead of him. I'd almost compare it to Ricciardo and Vettel last year, Vettel never made much progress in races while Ricciardo would frequently finish higher than the car deserved to. But back to Rosberg, I would be one of those who doesn't think he's one of the fastest in F1. In terms of speed I'd put, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel and Ricciardo ahead of him since all of them have a track record of winning races they shouldn't win while Rosberg has always won with the fastest car on the day (just like Coulthard did).

Not overly impressed by Verstappen so far, his teammate Sainz is a match for him at the moment although I concede that his pace given his lack of single seater experience is good. The problem with pairing 2 new drivers together is that its impossible to say just how good they are, Toro Rosso almost had Vergne set the benchmark in the past 2 years and if you could beat him you were good enough. Now who knows how well they'd do if they were paired up with a known quantity.

Anyway I'm glad that the Monaco GP to done for another year and here's hoping we never have to see another one.

I'm also bad at quoting separately :) You're totally right about Catalunya, my mistake. I was only halfway watching because I was also working at the time :/ Thanks for the clarification!
As far as the Monaco pit stop is concerned, I'm not saying that it was a good idea, but I DO understand the decision. I'm sure Hamilton felt that he could have started after the caution on cold tires and would have done alright, and he probably would have...but it's Monaco and it's unpredictable (And as always very exciting to watch).

At Catalunya I wasn't expecting Raikkonen to pass, I was just commenting on the fact that I was impressed with his ability to keep up in a car that was obviously struggling. Yet the announcers continually tried to blame HIM for a poorly handling car.(I'm assuming we had different announcers since I'm guessing you're in Europe? ;)) However, I disagree that Catalunya is difficult to pass on. In my opinion, it's one of the easiest tracks on the F1 calendar. For me, it seems to be a game of out-braking in several of the corners.

You have a valid point about Rosberg not being "champion material" but I still think people overlook how quick he is...and if you want to talk about who we're fans of, I'm a fan of Ross Brawn.(You remember, the engineer that made Button win ;)) He's the Real MVP. Quite honestly, the reason I watch F1 is for the cars. The drivers are all interchangeable.. don't get me wrong, there are some standouts that are impressive to watch, and I have my favorites- but for me, it's an engineers sport- because without them, a driver is nowhere, unless your name is Niki Lauda :) (Couldn't help but notice that he was in the Mercedes Paddock.) I don't dislike Button, and I'm curious to see what this McLaren/Honda merge is going to be like.

I like Verstappen because he's hungry. He goes for the seemingly impossible overtakes. Obviously, he also crashes because of this.. but it takes that kind of drive to become a legend, and he has plenty of time to grow and become just that. I never thought he was a standout- but in Monaco, he was. He put on a great show and definitely turned heads. Point blank- we were watching a fight for 10th place, and it was awesome. As long as he continues to do that, I think he will be a champion in the making.

Your closing remark requires some elaboration :eek:

Yes! Elaboration is DEFINITELY necessary, Monaco is my favorite! I'm sitting over here, trying to think of any reason why you wouldn't want it to happen again, unless it was your job! :dunno:
 
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You are very welcome!
 
I'm bad at quoting one post in separate bubbles so you'll have to put up with me responding while reading down your post.

... Anyway I'm glad that the Monaco GP to done for another year and here's hoping we never have to see another one.

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Yes! Elaboration is DEFINITELY necessary, Monaco is my favorite! I'm sitting over here, trying to think of any reason why you wouldn't want it to happen again, unless it was your job! :dunno:

I can understand both of you. dpantski, in terms of true racing, making these cars drive on an inner-city course is just obscene. These cars are made for open stretches, if you want to have a real race in town, take the example of "The Italian Job", and juice up some Minis ;)

Ivy, I also see your point. forgive me my cheekiness - but as obscenity is your profession, THAT may be the cause for you favoring especially this ridiculous race.

I am honest: I love this travestie, too. And the bureaucrat in my moans in horror :facepalm:
 
Well, I'm just happy as hell that we have a new F1 fan in here, and an OCSM to boot. Plus, she knows her stuff! I feel like we've been given a gift. Welcome, Ivy. :wave:

BTW, count me as another fan of Ross Brawn. Why Mercedes pushed him aside to bring in the likes of Toto Wolff, I still haven't figured out. Politics, I suspect. :dunno: But there's no doubt in my mind that had Ross been on the wall in Monaco, what happened would not have happened. Unlike Toto & Co., Ross did not get his "maths" wrong.
 
After the not surprisingly odd Grand Prix in Monaco, where there is always a lot of surprise shiit going on, Hamilton should get another win at the Grand Prix in Canada. You regulars know, I am a Hamilton nfan of sorts, and it hurts to see him lose due to fucked up pit stops.

Formula 1 - PREVIEW-Montreal offers Hamilton an antidote for Monaco

Lewis Hamilton has the perfect opportunity to get back on the winning track in Sunday's Canadian Grand Prix after going astonishingly awry in Monaco.

Montreal is a favourite race for the double Formula One world champion, a fast track where he celebrated his first pole position and victory in his stellar 2007 debut season with McLaren.

Since then, the Mercedes driver has won twice more in Canada.

"I think everything that needs to be said about Monaco has already been said. Obviously, it was a huge disappointment for me and also for the team," the Briton said before heading to Montreal.

"But we'll learn from it and move forwards together like we always do. I just want to get back out there and bounce back -- and I could hardly ask for a better place to do that than Montreal. This is always one of my favourite weekends."

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Well, I'm just happy as hell that we have a new F1 fan in here, and an OCSM to boot. Plus, she knows her stuff! I feel like we've been given a gift. Welcome, Ivy. :wave:

BTW, count me as another fan of Ross Brawn. Why Mercedes pushed him aside to bring in the likes of Toto Wolff, I still haven't figured out. Politics, I suspect. :dunno: But there's no doubt in my mind that had Ross been on the wall in Monaco, what happened would not have happened. Unlike Toto & Co., Ross did not get his "maths" wrong.

Hi back! Thank you for the welcome! :)
 
At Catalunya I wasn't expecting Raikkonen to pass, I was just commenting on the fact that I was impressed with his ability to keep up in a car that was obviously struggling. Yet the announcers continually tried to blame HIM for a poorly handling car.(I'm assuming we had different announcers since I'm guessing you're in Europe? ;)) However, I disagree that Catalunya is difficult to pass on. In my opinion, it's one of the easiest tracks on the F1 calendar. For me, it seems to be a game of out-braking in several of the corners.

You have a valid point about Rosberg not being "champion material" but I still think people overlook how quick he is...and if you want to talk about who we're fans of, I'm a fan of Ross Brawn.(You remember, the engineer that made Button win ;)) He's the Real MVP. Quite honestly, the reason I watch F1 is for the cars. The drivers are all interchangeable.. don't get me wrong, there are some standouts that are impressive to watch, and I have my favorites- but for me, it's an engineers sport- because without them, a driver is nowhere, unless your name is Niki Lauda :) (Couldn't help but notice that he was in the Mercedes Paddock.) I don't dislike Button, and I'm curious to see what this McLaren/Honda merge is going to be like.

I like Verstappen because he's hungry. He goes for the seemingly impossible overtakes. Obviously, he also crashes because of this.. but it takes that kind of drive to become a legend, and he has plenty of time to grow and become just that. I never thought he was a standout- but in Monaco, he was. He put on a great show and definitely turned heads. Point blank- we were watching a fight for 10th place, and it was awesome. As long as he continues to do that, I think he will be a champion in the making.



Yes! Elaboration is DEFINITELY necessary, Monaco is my favorite! I'm sitting over here, trying to think of any reason why you wouldn't want it to happen again, unless it was your job! :dunno:

Well Raikkonen was at fault for being behind Bottas in the first place but not being able to overtake wasn't his fault. Yeah I'm sure we have different commentators since there wasn't any badmouthing of Raikkonen in the coverage I watched because they were too focused on blaming Ferrari for not mirroring Hamilton's strategy with Vettel. Catalunya is actually difficult to pass on because the last corner used to be easy to take flatout, now with less grippy tyres or being heavy with fuel its very tricky to take that corner full throttle while following another car (similar to Melbourne in that respect).

I have no problem with you rating Rosberg highly, how many drivers can outqualify Hamilton over a season like he did? As for Ross Brawn, sure he was extremely good at his job in the same way that Adrian Newey is (no surprise Red Bull go backwards when his contribution isn't as high).

About my Monaco remark, I strongly dislike having it on the calendar because there's no overtaking unless you're 5 seconds a lap faster which means the result is determined by qualifying and reliability (and bad pitstop decisions!). How many classic Monaco grand prix's have their been recently? Panis winning when everyone ahead of him crashed out or had reliability issues in the rain? The races are processional and dull and the only excitement is watching people crash into each other and blocking the track at the hairpin.
I'd much rather see a French GP at Magny Cours or Paul Ricard rather than stay on Monaco because of tradition. I was pleased to see the return of Austria last year because that track typically produces some good racing action!
 
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I'd much rather see a French GP at Magny Cours or Paul Ricard rather than stay on Monaco because of tradition. I was pleased to see the return of Austria last year because that track typically produces some good racing action!

Oh yes! We had this discussed some pages before, it is a sad thing that in the country that is home to the organisation that manages the F1 there is no Grand Prix! I think when the conservatives are back in the saddle instead nof Hollande, they will finance it for the french pride ;)

Of course, they could let a sheik pay for the Grand Prix if they were willing to change the name of "Magny Cours", I am sure :facepalm:
 
Well Raikkonen was at fault for being behind Bottas in the first place but not being able to overtake wasn't his fault.

In my opinion, the reason that Raikkonen was behind Bottas was absolutely because of the car. In this case, it doesn't make sense to me how it can be the drivers fault for being behind, but the cars fault for not being able to pass. The reason that he even started behind Bottas in grid position in the first place was because of his unruly car. The whole weekend was either miscommunication or a steep learning curve for the engineering team. They simply weren't able to execute the proper set up based on driver input.

Catalunya is actually difficult to pass on because the last corner used to be easy to take flatout, now with less grippy tyres or being heavy with fuel its very tricky to take that corner full throttle while following another car (similar to Melbourne in that respect).

I **** to disagree with you about the last turn at Catalunya, but I must. Yes, I understand there is less downforce when you are right behind someone, however the increased weight of the fuel load would reduce slip angles on the tires, causing more traction. That coupled with the DRS zone just after the turn makes for excellent passing opportunity in turn 1.

As for Monaco, I definitely get where you're coming from. :)

I'm so happy that this thread exists! It's so hard to find people who I can talk and debate in depth about this with!!! You gorgeous, beautiful men. ;)
 
In my opinion, the reason that Raikkonen was behind Bottas was absolutely because of the car. In this case, it doesn't make sense to me how it can be the drivers fault for being behind, but the cars fault for not being able to pass. The reason that he even started behind Bottas in grid position in the first place was because of his unruly car. The whole weekend was either miscommunication or a steep learning curve for the engineering team. They simply weren't able to execute the proper set up based on driver input.



I **** to disagree with you about the last turn at Catalunya, but I must. Yes, I understand there is less downforce when you are right behind someone, however the increased weight of the fuel load would reduce slip angles on the tires, causing more traction. That coupled with the DRS zone just after the turn makes for excellent passing opportunity in turn 1.

As for Monaco, I definitely get where you're coming from. :)

I'm so happy that this thread exists! It's so hard to find people who I can talk and debate in depth about this with!!! You gorgeous, beautiful men. ;)

Well I'll have to defer to you regarding Raikkonen being behind Bottas since I didn't watch qualifying. I understand drivers will have mechanical issues or KERS or DRS (I like to call it DERS) problems so I guess something like that hindering him may have been an issue in the race as well. I don't agree on setup though since that's something the driver has a lot of input into.

Regarding the last corner, Raikkonen didn't have a stable car through the final turn which was a contributing factor to not being able to pass but then Hamilton was stuck being Vettel with a considerably faster car (probably around 0.6s or more per lap) and wasn't ever able to stay close enough out of the 2nd to last turn. Makes me wonder if its more about traction out of the corners and that the car with better traction was always the one in front which made these 2 examples look like it was harder to overtake than it was. *shrug* Without knowing more technical details (slip angles aren't something I fully understand) I couldn't really pinpoint all the factors that led to the aforementioned situations.
 
:D I love it when people defer to me ;) Now I want to give you boobies.

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It's really in HONOR of the Canadian GP that I'm posting those. For all F1 fans everywhere. It's my duty.

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Damn, I can't wait to see them, the GP is coming up, and that is not the only thing that comes up :P
 
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Damn, I can't wait to see them, the GP is coming up, and that is not the only thing that comes up :P

Oops!! I just wanted to tease you ;)
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