The I Told You So Obama Will Fuck Up Thread
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Nor did W. ...
He's only been in office a month, but then you're saying he's fixing it. I'll give you the fact that he's only been in office a month, and he hasn't had a chance to fix it. But at the same time, there's no proof he's fixing it either.
I think most Americans continue to ignore the first quarter W. walked into. The economy had already gone to shit in 2000 (massive, negative growth a couple of quarters), and the layoffs started -- and the worst on record until now -- in March-April 2001. Based on Enron and countless other, false incomes reported, they should re-do 1999-2000 like they did 2007-2008, change the "rules," and say the recession officially started in 2000, not after 2001Q1.
I don't blame Obama for anything, but he hasn't fixed anything either. I'm watching him, and I do not like his "now is the time for big government." While I'm not against socialism, but I am very much against American socialism, because Americans are too individualistic for it!
Remember when it was all just Food Stamps and Medicaid? FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society are nothing compared to what we're doing now, although those prior events did cause Americans to start "expecting" an ever "increasing" number of "entitlements.'
Remember when air conditioning was a luxury? Remember when mobile phones were a luxury? Remember when doing all sorts of things was a luxury? Today people who make a lot less than what I do have the government provide many things I neither even have, nor believe I need.
Like the single guy with 1 bedroom apartment bigger than my house, paid largely by the state. I don't even need $2,500/month, $30,000/year to live on. So I save over $40,000/year, just so I can live on what is $30,000/year today when I retire. And to do that, I've gotta make $150,000/year, because my take home is only $70,000/year.
Whoa! I personally love this.
He's only been in office a month, but then you're saying he's fixing it. I'll give you the fact that he's only been in office a month, and he hasn't had a chance to fix it. But at the same time, there's no proof he's fixing it either.
I think most Americans continue to ignore the first quarter W. walked into. The economy had already gone to shit in 2000 (massive, negative growth a couple of quarters), and the layoffs started -- and the worst on record until now -- in March-April 2001. Based on Enron and countless other, false incomes reported, they should re-do 1999-2000 like they did 2007-2008, change the "rules," and say the recession officially started in 2000, not after 2001Q1.
I don't blame Obama for anything, but he hasn't fixed anything either. I'm watching him, and I do not like his "now is the time for big government." While I'm not against socialism, but I am very much against American socialism, because Americans are too individualistic for it!
Remember when it was all just Food Stamps and Medicaid? FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society are nothing compared to what we're doing now, although those prior events did cause Americans to start "expecting" an ever "increasing" number of "entitlements.'
Remember when air conditioning was a luxury? Remember when mobile phones were a luxury? Remember when doing all sorts of things was a luxury? Today people who make a lot less than what I do have the government provide many things I neither even have, nor believe I need.
Like the single guy with 1 bedroom apartment bigger than my house, paid largely by the state. I don't even need $2,500/month, $30,000/year to live on. So I save over $40,000/year, just so I can live on what is $30,000/year today when I retire. And to do that, I've gotta make $150,000/year, because my take home is only $70,000/year.
Re: Nor did W. ...
Read my post again. I did not say he has fixed the economy and what not, only that he's fixing it. Meaning he's doing something about it, which is the most he can do as President. You are delusional if you think Obama has the power of a dictator, able to do whatever he wants. No he has to compromise a great deal with the Congress while at the same time, provide a kind of stimulous package that can dig America out of this hole its in. It's not easy and I doubt any of us can do a better job given the circumstance. It's too easy to say "I don't want a big government, I don't want government spending blah blah" but Government is what this country needs right now to help it get back to its feet.
Republicans are using tax cuts again as a cure all and be all but guess what, 8 years of tax cuts only produce the biggest deficit in US history so GOP's tried and true method is wrong for the country. It's time to go on a different direction and I am pretty shocked that Americans are still buying GOP's lies. Let Obama do his thing and stop being so damn critical.
Read my post again. I did not say he has fixed the economy and what not, only that he's fixing it. Meaning he's doing something about it, which is the most he can do as President. You are delusional if you think Obama has the power of a dictator, able to do whatever he wants. No he has to compromise a great deal with the Congress while at the same time, provide a kind of stimulous package that can dig America out of this hole its in. It's not easy and I doubt any of us can do a better job given the circumstance. It's too easy to say "I don't want a big government, I don't want government spending blah blah" but Government is what this country needs right now to help it get back to its feet.
Republicans are using tax cuts again as a cure all and be all but guess what, 8 years of tax cuts only produce the biggest deficit in US history so GOP's tried and true method is wrong for the country. It's time to go on a different direction and I am pretty shocked that Americans are still buying GOP's lies. Let Obama do his thing and stop being so damn critical.
I'm the same way with Bush, he just made some bad decisions that fucked him over... number 1 hiring that idoit Karl Rove.
Give the guy a break. he is already having a tuff time trying to bring together the breaking economy.
Re: Nor did W. ...
Spending caused the deficit. And even before 9/11, people losing jobs caused the deficit very early into 2001. When people lose jobs, you not only lose federal revenue, you increase expenses as people claim entitlements.
It's the same, damn, fucking ignorance as when Reagan increased revenue by cutting income taxes. Hell, JFK proved that 20 years earlier as well. The problem is always spending.
He hasn't done jack at this point, and I don't see that changing despite what you think he will do. Hell, the economy has been "lame duck" for decades.
We've got a Democrat Congress (now over 2 years old) and a Democrat President. I don't expect things to get any better than when it did under Carter.
How is he "fixing it"?
The stimulous package ain't going to do shit for our economy, except add more debt.
Tax cuts did not cause the deficit and it is as laughable as Daschle saying "the tax cuts caused the recession" many years back.
Spending caused the deficit. And even before 9/11, people losing jobs caused the deficit very early into 2001. When people lose jobs, you not only lose federal revenue, you increase expenses as people claim entitlements.
It's the same, damn, fucking ignorance as when Reagan increased revenue by cutting income taxes. Hell, JFK proved that 20 years earlier as well. The problem is always spending.
Actually, it was Clinton's economy when W. took over in 2001 and people started getting laid off. Granted, the GOP was in charge of Congress. But what do you then say about a Democrat Congress the last two years of W.?
I was not critical of Obama, I was critical of you saying "he hasn't done anything" followed by "he's fixing it.'
He hasn't done jack at this point, and I don't see that changing despite what you think he will do. Hell, the economy has been "lame duck" for decades.
We've got a Democrat Congress (now over 2 years old) and a Democrat President. I don't expect things to get any better than when it did under Carter.
Wow! Are you for real? are you still using the "racist" attack on anyone that does not buy his bullshit?..let me guess perharps you got some "white guilt"? I don't have that, wanna know why???Cuz I am a mix of African, Spanish, Caribbean, I am kinda have the same color Obama has, perharps a lil darker...so how can I be racist if I am a mulato?!!! If you want to attack anyone for using the race card then go look at the media for every freaking day stating that he was the "first african american", the "first black" and that preacher dude on his innaguration calling names to peopel of different colors, or to most black folks out there who would simply tell you "they did not know anything about the guy except that he was black and that was good enough for them". Better yet as Mr. Obama himself as he rode that race card till the end...so please do not accuse someone who actually has african blood and it's part of my language and culture as someone that is racist.
Rough term? what did he think he was getting himself into? But nooo the media made him walk on water, that he was sooo smart, that he had an economic plan...I am willing to give him some time, but it is he who apparently is not giving Americans time with his lack of faith in the free market and rushing this Bail Out on Steroids with all this pork and spending in it...that I am not down with that, but guess what it will pass and he will sign it because he took one of Bush political tactics and that is the FEAR that he has put in the market and on everyone else, that shit will backfire on him also just like it did Bush.
True, but the point is that Bush based his power on spreading fear and that why he woul intimidate Congress to vote for stupid shit, i.e. Operation Iraqi Freedom, so then who could share the blame around...Obama now is spreading fear and pressing Congress into voting for this huge piece of shit coated with sweet whipped cream on top but when you actually get to it, you will realize how bad it really is.
Yeah I guess if everything does not go his way, he leaves the White House (because his On The Job Training is not working quite well) so it's time for more Obama infomercials across the nation. I am not a supreme expert on this subject, but granting all this money for political failures and slippage of back door policies is not really going to fix the problem
Along with his biggest already blunders on the "Michael Jordan" of politics such as that showing how nice we are to the terrorist. This is it, right here, because I think after this passes it will work, yes I have said it. It will work, how soon? no one knows, for how long? that is the main concern...is this a quick fix of prolonging more of the same or will it last some good 10 years of healing the market ( I am a realist and skeptic and I know things don't last forever). I am very concern about my family's and this nation that I love so much on what's gonna happen..After this huge bail out, what is there left for Goverment to do if the market still collapses? what then?
I want Obama to figure something out and the people in goverment, they owed it to the people who voted for them...but where's the talking, the debate, the lockdown? It's seems like when it comes to it Mr Obama just don't want the debate, just his way...kinda like Bush used to do and that's why we got shit legislated like the Patriot Act, OIF, the monicker "War on Terror", Gitmo, the lack on stem cell research, $700 biilion not properly accounted for that was used as the first bail out...so now we going to get the same in a different way from Obama? I want him to get us out of this mess, (even if I did not voted for him), but not this way, this country is hurting and the world will follow too.
I wish Obama would bring our troops home from Iraq & Afghanistan at the same time as tackling the stimulus package. If ever there was a case that war spending must be stopped, we have arrived at that point.
I do think that Obama was betrayed by some Democrats who wanted to lard up the Stimulus bill with non-stimulus related projects. HOWEVER, I agree with those projects anyway, so I don't mind that they're there. There's too much of a tax relief though. We're going to have to recapture this 44% of tax revenue at a later date, basically.
If the Dems in Congress could think beyond 5 ft in front of their faces, they'd see that if they passed an infrustructure-only bill, and when people saw the positive effects of those projects and the broader economy...they would be able to pass whatever other legislation they want because no American would oppose them. Hell, the Republicans are going to have a hard time trying to explain how they "looked out for America" when the Economy gets rolling in time for the mid-term elections. I bet many Repub COngressmen will want those votes back...
I do think that Obama was betrayed by some Democrats who wanted to lard up the Stimulus bill with non-stimulus related projects. HOWEVER, I agree with those projects anyway, so I don't mind that they're there. There's too much of a tax relief though. We're going to have to recapture this 44% of tax revenue at a later date, basically.
If the Dems in Congress could think beyond 5 ft in front of their faces, they'd see that if they passed an infrustructure-only bill, and when people saw the positive effects of those projects and the broader economy...they would be able to pass whatever other legislation they want because no American would oppose them. Hell, the Republicans are going to have a hard time trying to explain how they "looked out for America" when the Economy gets rolling in time for the mid-term elections. I bet many Repub COngressmen will want those votes back...
We can go over this a million times. Has the pure capitalist systems that really does not exist in the U.S. really been perfect? It my lifetime, we have seen recessions in the 70's, twice in the 80's, and now twice in the 00's. All the gains have been erroded away at that time. So are we ok with a captialist system the gains steam unfettered for 5-6 years and then 2-3 years of minor or major recesssions that bring us back to zero? or less that that?
There has to be a better balance. I dont think that some socialism is bad thing. Most of Europe has versions of it and they are largely successful economies and societies. Like that is a evil thing?
It's funny that many people here claim they want Obama to succeed, yet attacking him at every turn for not thinking like a GOP or not doing what they would have done. WTF? Obama is elected by the people and thus have every right to do what's right for the country. If you disagree with him that's fine but wait until the stimulous bill takes effect before you start criticizing sheesh. Obama is not fixing the economy? Then what do you call him coming up with the bill, working with both aisles of the Congress, and lobbying in public for the passage of the bill are? He's doing everything in his power to get a bill that will save the US economy but if your hatred of Obama blinds you to do then no rational argument will ever come from you.
GOP diehards will always blame Clinton, Carter, and Obama for the ills of the Republican Presidents but facts are facts and there's no way to spin that after 8 years of Bush the country is in much worst shape than before he took office. If 8 years isn't enough to shape the country the way you want then you don't deserve to be President, but we can already see that after Bush stole the election of '00.
GOP diehards will always blame Clinton, Carter, and Obama for the ills of the Republican Presidents but facts are facts and there's no way to spin that after 8 years of Bush the country is in much worst shape than before he took office. If 8 years isn't enough to shape the country the way you want then you don't deserve to be President, but we can already see that after Bush stole the election of '00.
Philbert
Banned
Son, you not only be drinkin' the Kool Aid, you have overdosed.
Obama wasn't elected by the "People", he was elected by a majority of the people, which means millions didn't want him for President.
Now he's Prez, it should be his job to do what's good for the whole country, not only the ones who voted for him.
As for Bipartisanship... pul-lease...that ain't happening.
One article on the stimulus:
I would like "to come as close as you can in the political reality to a bipartisan management of the House," said Nancy Pelosi in 2006. "I'm a big believer in bipartisanship on so many issues. You can't address [most issues] and do it in a partisan way. They are too big, they involve too many people, and they involve too much money, private and public money. You've got to do it in a way that has legitimacy."
Article by Jeff Emanuel :
"This morning, a very senior contact within the House GOP informed me that Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Harry Reid (D-NV) met at length last night to put together the House/Senate conference report on the “stimulus” package. Only Democratic conference committee members were informed of the meeting and permitted to attend.
The purpose behind the meeting was apparently to produce a conference report on the over $800 billion borrow-and-spend bill that was entirely free of Republican input, and that could be presented no later than this afternoon in preparation for House and Senate floor action tomorrow.
Ironically, the Democrat-heavy House yesterday voted unanimously in favor of a GOP-sponsored resolution stating that the bill should be made subject to a 48 hour review period by the public before it was finally passed by Congress — something that seems very unlikely to happen, given Democrats’ actions over the last twelve hours.
In a post on RedState, Congressman Tom Price (R-GA), chairman of the Republican Study Committee, confirmed reports of the Democrats’ midnight meeting. “Negotiations have already begun under the dark of night,” wrote Price this morning. “In closed room somewhere in the Capitol Building last night, Congressional Democrats and Obama administration officials met with no Republicans present.”
Rules for the conference committee dictate that there must be an open hearing for negotiations, but that hearing is controlled entirely by the majority party. It is the prerogative of congressional Democrats as to whether the hearing will be an honest and open forum or instead a dog and pony show while real negotiations take place in a smoke-filled backroom.
With a trillion dollars of taxpayer money currently at stake, it is critical to provide the American people a full and complete understanding of how it is going to be spent.
House Democrats haven’t been shy about voicing their intent to use the conference to re-insert a large portion of the spending taken out of the Senate’s compromise bill, which was passed due to support from three Republicans who, apparently and inexplicably, thought Reps. Pelosi and Hoyer (D-MD) would be content to allow pet pork programs to remain on the cutting room floor when presented with the opportunity to reinsert them in conference.
The “stimulus” package passed the House with zero GOP votes (and 11 Democrats voting against), and the Senate with three GOP votes, as Sens. Specter (R-PA), Collins (R-ME), and Snowe (R-ME) gave the nearly $1T package the votes it needed to reach the conference in the first place.
Now that the cuts made in their compromise package are being put back into the bill during midnight meetings that the minority is being entirely excluded from, the best thing the GOP as a whole can do is to vote unanimously against this bill in both houses — and the best thing beyond that for Specter, Snowe, and Collins to do would be to apologize to their fellow Republicans and to the American people for being so naive as to negotiate the resuscitation of this bill when it was on life support in their chamber, only to have every cut they negotiated out of it put right back in by a Democrat majority that never had any more intention of living up to its “compromise” agreements than it did of living up to its own rhetoric about “bipartisanship.”
Close enough to the truth...so, we have five cabinet noms and one appointee who are big-time tax cheats, several are lobbyists and all don't qualify under Obama's campaign promises.
Bi-partisanship that never sailed...
And more pork in the plan than at a Bar B Que cook-off, with the Prez stating there wasn't ANY, and Schumyer stating that, while there is some pork, the American people don't care.
He's just starting, his inexperience is showing big time, and it's going to get worse.
And you think everyone should just let him try out a few things and see if they work, then when the country enters a real depression we can speak up then?
And he's just starting...what a crock of poopoo it's turned out to be, and we have more to look forward to.
The health care provisions in the bill are scary, and I'll bet you have no idea what's in the stimulus plan...no one does, there hasn't been any details put out hardly at all, and it's being rushed through. Sounds bad to me...
But not as bad as if someone shoots him, and Biden becomes the Leader of the Free World. That would be even worse than the Obama Gong Show.
So, in that respect...God Save the President!:thumbsup:
Obama wasn't elected by the "People", he was elected by a majority of the people, which means millions didn't want him for President.
Now he's Prez, it should be his job to do what's good for the whole country, not only the ones who voted for him.
As for Bipartisanship... pul-lease...that ain't happening.
One article on the stimulus:
I would like "to come as close as you can in the political reality to a bipartisan management of the House," said Nancy Pelosi in 2006. "I'm a big believer in bipartisanship on so many issues. You can't address [most issues] and do it in a partisan way. They are too big, they involve too many people, and they involve too much money, private and public money. You've got to do it in a way that has legitimacy."
Article by Jeff Emanuel :
"This morning, a very senior contact within the House GOP informed me that Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Harry Reid (D-NV) met at length last night to put together the House/Senate conference report on the “stimulus” package. Only Democratic conference committee members were informed of the meeting and permitted to attend.
The purpose behind the meeting was apparently to produce a conference report on the over $800 billion borrow-and-spend bill that was entirely free of Republican input, and that could be presented no later than this afternoon in preparation for House and Senate floor action tomorrow.
Ironically, the Democrat-heavy House yesterday voted unanimously in favor of a GOP-sponsored resolution stating that the bill should be made subject to a 48 hour review period by the public before it was finally passed by Congress — something that seems very unlikely to happen, given Democrats’ actions over the last twelve hours.
In a post on RedState, Congressman Tom Price (R-GA), chairman of the Republican Study Committee, confirmed reports of the Democrats’ midnight meeting. “Negotiations have already begun under the dark of night,” wrote Price this morning. “In closed room somewhere in the Capitol Building last night, Congressional Democrats and Obama administration officials met with no Republicans present.”
Rules for the conference committee dictate that there must be an open hearing for negotiations, but that hearing is controlled entirely by the majority party. It is the prerogative of congressional Democrats as to whether the hearing will be an honest and open forum or instead a dog and pony show while real negotiations take place in a smoke-filled backroom.
With a trillion dollars of taxpayer money currently at stake, it is critical to provide the American people a full and complete understanding of how it is going to be spent.
House Democrats haven’t been shy about voicing their intent to use the conference to re-insert a large portion of the spending taken out of the Senate’s compromise bill, which was passed due to support from three Republicans who, apparently and inexplicably, thought Reps. Pelosi and Hoyer (D-MD) would be content to allow pet pork programs to remain on the cutting room floor when presented with the opportunity to reinsert them in conference.
The “stimulus” package passed the House with zero GOP votes (and 11 Democrats voting against), and the Senate with three GOP votes, as Sens. Specter (R-PA), Collins (R-ME), and Snowe (R-ME) gave the nearly $1T package the votes it needed to reach the conference in the first place.
Now that the cuts made in their compromise package are being put back into the bill during midnight meetings that the minority is being entirely excluded from, the best thing the GOP as a whole can do is to vote unanimously against this bill in both houses — and the best thing beyond that for Specter, Snowe, and Collins to do would be to apologize to their fellow Republicans and to the American people for being so naive as to negotiate the resuscitation of this bill when it was on life support in their chamber, only to have every cut they negotiated out of it put right back in by a Democrat majority that never had any more intention of living up to its “compromise” agreements than it did of living up to its own rhetoric about “bipartisanship.”
Close enough to the truth...so, we have five cabinet noms and one appointee who are big-time tax cheats, several are lobbyists and all don't qualify under Obama's campaign promises.
Bi-partisanship that never sailed...
And more pork in the plan than at a Bar B Que cook-off, with the Prez stating there wasn't ANY, and Schumyer stating that, while there is some pork, the American people don't care.
He's just starting, his inexperience is showing big time, and it's going to get worse.
And you think everyone should just let him try out a few things and see if they work, then when the country enters a real depression we can speak up then?
And he's just starting...what a crock of poopoo it's turned out to be, and we have more to look forward to.
The health care provisions in the bill are scary, and I'll bet you have no idea what's in the stimulus plan...no one does, there hasn't been any details put out hardly at all, and it's being rushed through. Sounds bad to me...
But not as bad as if someone shoots him, and Biden becomes the Leader of the Free World. That would be even worse than the Obama Gong Show.
So, in that respect...God Save the President!:thumbsup:
I agree completely we need to take a european approach to our economy? Why are people so scared of Socialism? Honestly? Ever since Reagan People have been brain washed. Europe does fine.
Jeff Emanuel's opinion piece above can be found at:
www.conservativewomenfortruth.blogspot.com
www.redstate.com
www.conservativewomenfortruth.blogspot.com
www.redstate.com
There's no way any President can get 100% of the American's votes. Not even Jesus can do that. He's voted by majority of Americans and given how partisan this country has become, that's a mandate for change. If you want to argue forever about the definition of "people" in the election then you are missing the bigger picture which is people of America want change and they are sick of GOP rule of last 8 years.
As for what you have listed in the stimulous package, how is any of it Obama's fault? Everybody knows that 1) Dems control both houses 2) Obama needs Dems to pass any of his bills 3) Dems believe in bigger government. Therefore in order to pass any stimulous bill there's got to be some pork in it. I freely admit that Dems have put stuff in there that I find questionable but that's not Obama's fault. If he choose to not go along with Dems when he's a Democratic President, how's that going to get things done? If a Republican President (let's just say McCain) is doing things now he'll want only tax cuts and there'll be no chance that a Democratic controlled Congress will give it to him, so in the end nothing gets done and the country continue to spiral into deeper recession. Is that what you want? Obama is trying his best to get much needed relief into the economy and all I see on this board is constant whining and nitpicking. Well then you can run against Obama in 4 years and present your plan to bring jobs to this country, balance the budget, eliminate deficit, bring peace to Middle East, etc. Afterall you are all so good at knowing what should be done if you were President that why don't you go out and try to make a different instead of complaining in a internet forum?
Philbert
Banned
He whined, complaining in an internet forum.
Anyway, my totalitarian friend, if I wanna complain that's what a free citizen does, critisise the government any time they see fit. Too bad if you choose to get all childish and challenge me to run for President or shut up. I don't really pay attention to barely aware people's orders.
BTW, the Dems controlled the Senate the last 2 years, and were never powerless. A Single Party House, Senate, and White House is very dangerous and very unhealthy for the country.
Like now...
A small majority, as with most elections, only a a few percentage points.
Clinton didn't even get a majority in 1992, only 44%. Nearly 56% of Americans wanted Perot or Bush.
While I've defended Obama as having no real opportunities yet to show whether or not he can fix things, also please don't overstate what he hasn't even done yet.
I'm so tired of the right and left just pointing fingers. A lot of people are saying they are for change and healing and a consensus, yet they keep spewing the same, bullshit rhetoric as the other side.
If you believe in honestly moving forward, don't blame W. I said the same thing when W. got in as the economy was going to crap in 2001, it's not time to blame Clinton.
But to go forward.
In case you weren't paying attention in the last 2 years, Dems didn't have the 60 votes in the Senate to override Bush's veto. In other words they can't do anything without President's help. You tell me how Dems can do anything when they can't push through any of their bills without threat of veto.
I get it, there are only two types of Obama presidency that you guys would wholeheartedly support:
1) Obama supporting only tax cuts, no additional spending, smaller government, with cuts across the board in all government programs. In other words, you want Obama to behave like a GOP President.
OR
2) Obama as a perfect being, with zero mistakes in anything he does from the moment he becomes President. He has to have a stimulous bill that can create millions of jobs withing a year, eliminate the mortgage crisis, reducing the massive debt, with 100% support from GOP, Dems, and the people. And he has to do it in a very short time. Not only that, he has to bring victory and end to Iraq and Afgan war, find and kill Osama Bin Laden, bring peace to the Middle East, convince N. Korea and Iran to give up their nuclear ambitions, and find cure for AIDS and cancer all within the 1st year. And just maybe then will you guys not find anything else to complain about Prez Obama. Maybe.
Philbert
Banned
Yep!
Now you're talking!
Although the cancer cure isn't in his hands, others are working on that. But the other stuff...hell, yeah.
