The End of Tolerance In Europe.....

[The Captain]

Sounds like our European cousins are waking up to the reality that they shouldn't have to bend over backwards to make immigrants happy, at their own expense.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/

 

[alexios]

What a crazy concept! Europe for the sake of Europe?!!? What will they think of next?

 

[D-rock]

Hmmm...maybe the next time some ultra-liberal people point to Europe as to how we should be, maybe we should point this out to them. The next time they want to bitch when people suggest making more stringent restrictions on immigration legal or illegal we could say were just being more like the people over there.

 

[jdb67]

What is so crazy about it? I for one applaud their decision to stand up and say enough is enough!!

 

[Iamforever]

Sounds like our European cousins are waking up to the reality that they shouldn't have to bend over backwards to make immigrants happy, at their own expense.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/

now if only usa will do this.

 

[The Captain]

What is so crazy about it? I for one applaud their decision to stand up and say enough is enough!!

Oh I agree Oh' Heartily!

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

I :dunno: , but will that solve the world problem?

Send all the natives of all countries back to there bases.

Europeans to Europe, Americans to America, Africans to Africa, Asians to Asia, along with all the wealth that they themselves have made on the other soil and see how the world operate.

Its a little crazy out there.

 

[poggy]

Well the problem here in Britain in letting in all the immigrants in is it's having a massive effect on the country in all areas. Example unemployment has nearly doubled. Housing has become a problem. The ones who don't get jobs are taking off the state. Then there's the NHS that has never been able to supply the demand on health services. So with all the extra people now here it's becoming even worse.

Now I'm not against letting people come and live here. Have they all been checked out thoroughly is a question that's now been asked. As they could be anyone. Plus we can't take everyone, we have to remember the people already here and can the country support everyone.

So yes tighter restrictions will be good.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

Now I'm not against letting people come and live here. Have they all been checked out thoroughly is a question that's now been asked. As they could be anyone. Plus we can't take everyone, we have to remember the people already here and can the country support everyone.

So yes tighter restrictions will be good.

Your 'plus' should be checked first. That is the only criteria on which immigration should be controlled.

And checking, that's a laugh. Each country has its own black sheep, its stupid to divide them by location, religion or races.

 

[blakey]

Ok - interesting topic & i've got a few points. Firstly, this article is over a year old (march 2006)

Now i would say, from my experience in Europe (particularly the UK), and without falling into stereotyping myself, i would say the groups that have the most problems with integration tend to be asian muslims and, more particularly in germany, some turkish immigrants

black people in the UK, particularly those with a caribean ancestry, tend to be christian and english speaking, likewise those black immigrants from africa - so no probems there

other asian immigration eg chinese people, tends not to cause any difficulties


one thing that i think countries in Europe have to take into account, especialy UK and France, is that their former colonial empires went all over the world exploiting various countries and their people and natural resources - and if those people's descendents subsequently want to move to our countries then i think there is a moral obligation to treat them fairly


there's a lot of nonsense in that article too - as if mosques are hidden bastions of terror -
there is a big mosque not far from where i'm typing this, about half a mile, and it's a big building with a banner saying mosque on it, there's also a massive, relatively new, purpose built mosque right in the heart of the city

and as for the former "united christian europe" with one set of beliefs - the continent had religious wars between europeans for centuries, and christians were killing other christians in my country, within in my lifetime, because of the differences in their beliefs

last point - all potential changes in any European (EU members) laws relating to human rights have to comply with European anti-discrimination rules, which are pretty extensive and apply to religion, race etc - so they don't have a free hand to make up some "integrate now or be deported" laws

but i do think it's necessary to have people speaking the same language and with, as much as possible, the same sort of values - and this does need more work in europe, and more time
:2 cents:

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

but i do think it's necessary to have people speaking the same language and with, as much as possible, the same sort of values - and this does need more work in europe, and more time
:2 cents:

Your two cents really amounts a lot more. Thank you.

Do you feel Europe should remain divided/isolated just because some people speak in a different language?

There are several mode of communication, verbal is only one of them.

And it was sad to note that you took on a different view of a religion. That was the only blot on your well thought out post.

 

[blakey]

Er - dunno if i've represented myself as a racist looney there - certainly wasn't my intention

what i meant about language was that people should be able to speak the local language of the country where they live - they need to so they can take advantages of all the things in that country ( i mean i would learn russian if i was going to live in russia )

i've got lots of friends in the UK whose parents moved here from Pakistan, for example, who speak English with the local accent, but can also speak urdu or punjabi that they perhaps use speaking to their mum or grandad or whatever - i don't have a problem with that, quite the opposite in fact - i wish i was bilingual, it's a big advantage nowadays for business, travel etc

i'm not sure what you mean about my view on religion, p & d, basically, to clarify, i personally am not religious but i think people should have complete freedom to practice their religion, regardless of whether that religion is not the majority one in the state where they live
( with the obvious caveat that their practice shouldn't harm or oppress others )

 

[dave_rhino]

You say Europe, but i don't see any of this happening in my country

 

[Vanilla Bear]

What is so crazy about it? I for one applaud their decision to stand up and say enough is enough!!

:thumbsup:
Absolutely!

 

[poggy]

You say Europe, but i don't see any of this happening in my country

Not keeping up with affairs then Mr Rhino.

The reason I say this is because Britain has started to reduce the number of people been allowed into this country.

Also they are only letting people in with skills and after they are checked a lot more thoroughly than they was before 2007.

 

[om3ga]

Ok - interesting topic & i've got a few points. Firstly, this article is over a year old (march 2006)

Now i would say, from my experience in Europe (particularly the UK), and without falling into stereotyping myself, i would say the groups that have the most problems with integration tend to be asian muslims and, more particularly in germany, some turkish immigrants

black people in the UK, particularly those with a caribean ancestry, tend to be christian and english speaking, likewise those black immigrants from africa - so no probems there


:2 cents:

I think people from the "Windrush generation" (after the Empire Windrush's voyage from the Caribbean to Tilbury which took place in 1948 with the first West Indian immigrants to Britain) would disagree with your comments...I've heard tales from my parents about the "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish" signs in the window, when they were trying to find accomodation in London. It was a rude awakening for that generation who genuinely looked to Britain as the 'Mother' country....

 

[blakey]

I think people from the "Windrush generation" (after the Empire Windrush's voyage from the Caribbean to Tilbury which took place in 1948 with the first West Indian immigrants to Britain) would disagree with your comments...I've heard tales from my parents about the "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish" signs in the window, when they were trying to find accomodation in London. It was a rude awakening for that generation who genuinely looked to Britain as the 'Mother' country....

No - you're absolutely right in that respect om3ga, i was meaning that nowadays racial problems between blacks and whites aren't too bad in the UK, and sharing a common language and religion tends to make that easier

but yeah in the 50s people were being asked to come to Britain after the war from the colonies to boost the economy, many have fought for queen and country during WWII, whether from the caribean, india etc, and when they got here the were welcomed with a lot of racism

- thank god things have improved a bit

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

Er - dunno if i've represented myself as a racist looney there - certainly wasn't my intention

what i meant about language was that people should be able to speak the local language of the country where they live - they need to so they can take advantages of all the things in that country ( i mean i would learn russian if i was going to live in russia )

i've got lots of friends in the UK whose parents moved here from Pakistan, for example, who speak English with the local accent, but can also speak urdu or punjabi that they perhaps use speaking to their mum or grandad or whatever - i don't have a problem with that, quite the opposite in fact - i wish i was bilingual, it's a big advantage nowadays for business, travel etc

You are very very right. :thumbsup:

i'm not sure what you mean about my view on religion, p & d, basically, to clarify, i personally am not religious but i think people should have complete freedom to practice their religion, regardless of whether that religion is not the majority one in the state where they live
( with the obvious caveat that their practice shouldn't harm or oppress others )

Your own words:

...and without falling into stereotyping myself, i would say the groups that have the most problems with integration tend to be asian muslims and, more particularly in germany, some turkish immigrants

black people in the UK, particularly those with a caribean ancestry, tend to be christian and english speaking, likewise those black immigrants from africa - so no probems there

other asian immigration eg chinese people, tends not to cause any difficulties

I do differ with this observation. 'Non-association' is a personality trait. It should not be equated with groups. More number of one group may be non-associative, but that is not due to their ethnicity or religion. My :2 cents:

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

As for the topic, I believe in unrestricted immigration across all borders, and I believe we should move towards a WU instead of just an EU, and should have a 50 year plan whereby we aim to have open borders to all and a world support system to encourage people to stay and work in their homelands with just as much incentive as they have now to move to neighbours or europe or north america...

Fox

You will have a great friend in dd. He believes the same. :thumbsup:

 

[AFA]

That's utopian and unfortunately too many political and economic interests to agree to not having as much as they can get while they can get it.