The Democratic Party is the Problem

[gmase]

In deference to The Equal Time Rule, here is a thread to show how the Democratic Party is the real problem. The Republican discussion has had a three-year head start, so let’s get going …

After unanimously passing through the Senate, House Democrats are holding up the bill making Daylight Savings Time permanent. As Marco Rubio notes “It’s time to end the antiquated practice of changing our clocks twice a year.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...nt-to-take-up-daylight-saving-time-bill-later

Democratic obstructionist Maxine Waters is quoted:
“I’m really thinking about dying people and I’m thinking about what’s going on in Ukraine. We just had the president here. I don’t give a damn about what people think about it.”

It is good to see Senate Republicans can be bipartisan and unifying when the stakes are high. Time for the House Dems to step up.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Well, they certainly are responsible for a good chunk of it, but not to many people will dig for the dirt. They're still busy bitching about a guy who isn't in office, and can't do shit.

We need to fire everyone, and re-hire new employees.

By the way, nice thread, nice thread....I hope no one egg's it, or T.P.s it.

 

[Johan]

Actually, it is true : The Democratic Party is the problem. Just not exactly how and why you may think it is.

The Democratic Party is not the problem to America (or at least not in the sense conservative think it is).
The Democratic Party is not the problem to Republicans and conservatives.
The Democratic Party is the problem to Democrats and Progressives.

The Democratic Party just can't get anything done. When they are in power they never pass any bold legislation, the bill they pass are always a mere shadow of what their voters would like them to pass, what they promised.

When was the last time the Democrats passed a bill that really changed America, that had a real impact on people ?
Obamacare. That was almost 12 years ago. And it was a copy of a Massaschussets state legislation that had been adopted under Mitt Romney, a Republican.
They had a super-majority and that's all what they achieved...

And you know the worst part ? Whenever there's, in the party, someone who's not happy about the party being to shy, not happy when he/she sees Democrats lower they standarts to try to appease Republicans only to end up getting their ass-kicked, whenver there's someone in the Democratic Party that tries to actually stand for what the party should stand up for, they do everything they can to silence that person, to make it clear that this person is a radical who speaks only for himself/herself

The Democratic Party leadership will always favor someone like Joe Manchin who keeps voting against the rest of the party and stands in the way of bills that they wanna pass over someone like AOC who tries to push the party to the left but always vote in favor of what they settled for, even when it's not even close from what she wanted.

In case you're afraid that the Democratic Party wanna destroy America, don't worry : Even if they wanted to, they would bungle it

 

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/psaki-seeks-quash-questions-russia-230543133.html

Like I said, everyone sucks, and so do their friends and relatives. I still want to know what happened with his previous little firearms crime. I say crime, because that's what he did, committed a crime. I would assume it's been well buried, so I feel a personal obligation to point out that the democrats do the same thing as the republicans. I hope this little cunt gets destroyed. I hope he knows enough to be able to cut a deal, and rat out other politicians, and they all suffer.

 

[John_8581]

Mayor Adams in New York City decried yesterday that all professional athletes and entertainers can go unvaccinated. That brought almost all the NYC unions to condemn his statements. He's picking and choosing his arguments. Imagine being a City worker and you refused to get vaccinated. Then you lost your job and got fired because you chose not to get the shots. Look for plenty of lawsuits to be filed against the City in the near future

 

[tvstrip]

The US Democratic party is the problem. Liberals/Left wingers are too diverse to fit into one party. Look at the infighting that happens all the time - to the point where Bernie supporters didn't vote for hilary and contributed to trump's win. The same squabbling happened during the dem primaries, and just the insane number of candidates who started out in the race shows you how diverse the interests are - which often aren't compatible.

Look at any other democracy in the world, and you'll see multiple left/center-left parties who have to work together. We just saw that in Canada where the 2 main left parties just entered into a "confidence and supply agreement" which is basically a coalition of the left.

That's not to say the GOP doesn't have the same problem, but for whatever reason they managed to unite the moderate conservatives with the trumpians, at least to a better degree than the dems.

 

[Johan]

The US Democratic party is the problem. Liberals/Left wingers are too diverse to fit into one party. Look at the infighting that happens all the time - to the point where Bernie supporters didn't vote for hilary and contributed to trump's win. The same squabbling happened during the dem primaries, and just the insane number of candidates who started out in the race shows you how diverse the interests are - which often aren't compatible.

Look at any other democracy in the world, and you'll see multiple left/center-left parties who have to work together. We just saw that in Canada where the 2 main left parties just entered into a "confidence and supply agreement" which is basically a coalition of the left.

The problem here is not the party itself : it's the two-party system


Some european countries (like France) have a multiple parties, two rounds system : On the first round, all parties/candidates can participate. Only the top 2 parties/candidates can participate, usually with the support have the parties that have eliminated
Other european countries (such as Germany) have a system in wich the parlimaent (the quivalent of the US congress) picks the Président : all parties can participate to the parlimentary elections and get their guys elected. Then, once the parliaments seats are occupied, the ones who've been elected have to manage to pick a President. They negociate supports in exchange for promise to conduct specific policies, pass specific bills, for governement positions, etc.

 

[gmase]

Those Parliamentarian systems really work wonderfully. How is Brexit working for the UK? Boris Johnson still won an election. So did Benjamin Netanyahu.

No system is foolproof. All have benefits and limits.

 

[Johan]

True. But I still think the two-party syste is the worst.It forces politicians who have very little in common to cohabit within the same party because leaving this party would not only mean losing any chance of being able to influence the political debate but could also condemn the party to lose all chances of winning future elections


For monthes before the 2020 elections Democrats have been fantasizing the Republican Party would implodes between those who would stand with Trump and those who would refuse to.
Republicans are currently hoping and praying for the left wing o the Democratic Party (AOC, Bernie, Ilhan Omar, Cori Bush, etc.) to from somekind of "socialist party".

 

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-held-bill-hostage-sweeten-074201651.html

I hope this twunt gets caught committing a treasonous act, and gets dragged through the news in the most humiliating of ways, and then, because she can't handle the shame, pulls an R. Bud Dwyer so we can all watch it.

And this guy is 100% correct, the dems like to shame people that won't kiss there ass, and very few people ever realize it's because they're compulsive liars, and sick, pathetic little pussies. Most of them need a couple of real good bitch slaps.

 

[gmase]

True. But I still think the two-party syste is the worst.It forces politicians who have very little in common to cohabit within the same party because leaving this party would not only mean losing any chance of being able to influence the political debate but could also condemn the party to lose all chances of winning future elections

With the two-party system, voters - instead of politicians - choose their partners. Both systems are better than any non-democratic offerings. As one practicioner said: "No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

.. the dems like to shame people that won't kiss there ass, and very few people ever realize it's because they're compulsive liars, and sick, pathetic little pussies. Most of them need a couple of real good bitch slaps.

Speaking of people who shame others because their ass doesn't get kissed:
“Before we can defeat the Democrats, socialists and communists ... we first have to defeat the RINO sellouts and the losers in the primary this spring,”
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-kemp-perdue-commerce-georgia-rally-132419136.html

“Very sad but, since he decided to go in another direction, so have I, and I am hereby withdrawing my Endorsement of Mo Brooks for the Senate,”
https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...ns-mo-brooks-a201850587a5fc0ea00eeabf866c51f2

I won't even mention the treatment of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger because they had the courage to disagree.

 

[Johan]

Another thing that makes the two-party system a terrible system :
When the political fight is waged against a single opposing party, this opposition will inevitably degenerate into reciprocal hatred between the two parties, between their supporters, their voters.

In countries who don't have a two-party system, you don't have the level of hate between voters from different parties that you have in the US between Democrats and Republicans.
Even when the elections are actually played between 2 major parties (usually Right/Center Right and Left/Center-Left) there is not a level of hatred as seen in the USA between Democrats and Republicans. Because the 2 major parties cannot afford to focus only on each other, they also need to keep an eye on minor parties (usually Far-Right and Far-Left) otherwise they risk to los some of their voters in favor of these minor parties, which would cause them to lose the election.

Speaking of people who shame others because their ass doesn't get kissed:
“Before we can defeat the Democrats, socialists and communists ... we first have to defeat the RINO sellouts and the losers in the primary this spring,”
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-kemp-perdue-commerce-georgia-rally-132419136.html

“Very sad but, since he decided to go in another direction, so have I, and I am hereby withdrawing my Endorsement of Mo Brooks for the Senate,”
https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...ns-mo-brooks-a201850587a5fc0ea00eeabf866c51f2

I won't even mention the treatment of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger because they had the courage to disagree.

I've lost the count of people Trump as thrown under the bus because ONCE they refused to kiss his ass. Jeff Sessions's a great example : He was one of his earliest support, yep Trump dumped because Sessions recused himself from the Mueller investigation when Trump wanted him to fire Mueller and close the investigation.
Same could be said about Pence who had Trump's back for 4 years but overturning the election was too much for him which made Trump and his voters furious, to the point where some of the cpito invaders we're chanting "Hang Mike Pence" as they were inside the Capitol and had (false) gallow on the Capito lawn.

Talk about people who don't like people who refuses to kiss their asses...

 

[D-rock]

I'd just like to say that I'm in no way a fan of the Democratic Party, even as much as I like to disparage Republicans and think Republicans are a lot worse. The Dems as a whole are inept and feckless. A large portion of them are just self serving corrupt pieces of shit. The majority of them for the past 40 years have been oligarchical corporate stooges. Sure they haven't been as bad a Republicans in that regard, but that's a very low bar to pass. They are good at giving lip service to the needs of the masses, and for going after low hanging cultural war stuff that ask for no sacrifices of either their own or their donors part. When it comes to improving the lives of the masses they tend to not give a shit anymore, or they will make excuses to why it couldn't get done. They like almost all politicians serve their rich masters first. There always seems like there is just enough Dems that are their own party's opposition to never get anything significant pass, and that goes no matter how big their majority has been for decades now. I believe that if they had more members in the senate right now more than just Manchin and Sinema would be killing things off. Those two are just taking the heat off of a lot of others so they can pretend to care.

They're only good quality anymore is that they aren't Republicans. What they don't seem to realize is that they don't have nearly the insane scummy cult like following that the Republicans have where their base will vote for them NO MATTER WHAT. The Dems have to, you know, actually do shit for people, and they don't. I've never seem them try hard to do so in the face of even light opposition. Then they wonder why so many people that might vote for them just sit home on election night, especially young people they have left as road kill. It's not that their potential voters are upset they didn't get all they wanted. They are upset they continually get jack shit for the things they desperately need. The Dems would rather slowly die struggling to maintain a corrupt status quo that is killing them (and all the rest of us) than to make actual progress or do Progressive things. I believe a good number of them secretly would want somebody like Trump in office than somebody like Bernie Sanders if that means they get to clutch at their remaining power just a little longer.

Hell, even most of the Progressives in the Democratic Party I have some gripes with. For as good as their policies are compared to all the other politicians in congress they (for lack of a better term right now as I know a lot of them are women and this metaphor technically doesn't make sense) need start fucking growing a pair. To hell with them being nicey nice with everybody else. It's not working. I don't care if they have to go after other Democrats or if the others in the party don't like them for it. I wan them to start having some fight in them. Anybody that doesn't want to help most Americans should be the enemy to Progressives otherwise they are just turned into controlled opposition that is continually shut down by the rest of the Democrats.

It shows how bad the choices are the citizens of the US have. They get to choose either between a party that actively is malicious and callous towards their own constituents while despising them and using the voters baser instincts and hatred of other people to get ahead in the Republicans or a party that is inept and incompetent to the point it's just about useless in the Democrats all while both of them cater to the rich and large businesses to screw everybody else over.

 

[Johan]

I'd just like to say that I'm in no way a fan of the Democratic Party, even as much as I like to disparage Republicans and think Republicans are a lot worse. The Dems as a whole are inept and feckless. A large portion of them are just self serving corrupt pieces of shit. The majority of them for the past 40 years have been oligarchical corporate stooges. Sure they haven't been as bad a Republicans in that regard, but that's a very low bar to pass. They are good at giving lip service to the needs of the masses, and for going after low hanging cultural war stuff that ask for no sacrifices of either their own or their donors part. When it comes to improving the lives of the masses they tend to not give a shit anymore, or they will make excuses to why it couldn't get done. They like almost all politicians serve their rich masters first. There always seems like there is just enough Dems that are their own party's opposition to never get anything significant pass, and that goes no matter how big their majority has been for decades now. I believe that if they had more members in the senate right now more than just Manchin and Sinema would be killing things off. Those two are just taking the heat off of a lot of others so they can pretend to care.

They're only good quality anymore is that they aren't Republicans. What they don't seem to realize is that they don't have nearly the insane scummy cult like following that the Republicans have where their base will vote for them NO MATTER WHAT. The Dems have to, you know, actually do shit for people, and they don't. I've never seem them try hard to do so in the face of even light opposition. Then they wonder why so many people that might vote for them just sit home on election night, especially young people they have left as road kill. It's not that their potential voters are upset they didn't get all they wanted. They are upset they continually get jack shit for the things they desperately need. The Dems would rather slowly die struggling to maintain a corrupt status quo that is killing them (and all the rest of us) than to make actual progress or do Progressive things. I believe a good number of them secretly would want somebody like Trump in office than somebody like Bernie Sanders if that means they get to clutch at their remaining power just a little longer.

Hell, even most of the Progressives in the Democratic Party I have some gripes with. For as good as their policies are compared to all the other politicians in congress they (for lack of a better term right now as I know a lot of them are women and this metaphor technically doesn't make sense) need start fucking growing a pair. To hell with them being nicey nice with everybody else. It's not working. I don't care if they have to go after other Democrats or if the others in the party don't like them for it. I wan them to start having some fight in them. Anybody that doesn't want to help most Americans should be the enemy to Progressives otherwise they are just turned into controlled opposition that is continually shut down by the rest of the Democrats.

It shows how bad the choices are the citizens of the US have. They get to choose either between a party that actively is malicious and callous towards their own constituents while despising them and using the voters baser instincts and hatred of other people to get ahead in the Republicans or a party that is inept and incompetent to the point it's just about useless in the Democrats all while both of them cater to the rich and large businesses to screw everybody else over.

And, because of that, this is what happens now...

Poll: Trump leads Biden, Harris in 2024 match-ups​

Former President Trump is leading President Biden in a hypothetical 2024 match-up, according to a new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released exclusively to The Hill on Monday.
If the 2024 presidential election were held right now, the poll finds Trump getting 47 percent support compared to 41 percent for Biden. Twelve percent of voters are undecided.
Vice President Harris performs even worse in a hypothetical match-up with Trump. 49 percent said they would choose Trump, while 38 percent said they would support Harris.
[...]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/600146-poll-trump-leads-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups

We've got a candidate who botched COVID response, tried to overtake US voting system, keeps showing he would be on the side of Putin over Ukraine, yet most voters would pick him rather than Biden.
That should warn Democratsq that they need to step up their game and start passing bill that would benefit to middler and lower-class citizens. Unfortunately, some of them thinks it's more important to please their wealthy donors than US citizens...

 

[Tokaji]

Didn't Washington warn about political parties? Then Adams and Jefferson made a hash of it.

It is probably more human nature than anything.

There seems to be sports-like mentality to politics these days. The concept of the loyal opposition seems alien. Disagreeing doesn't mean that we hate each other and doesn't mean we need to be disrespectful.

Just watch a twitter discussion on the Florida "Parents Right in Education" or otherwise marketed "Don't Say Gay" bill. Watch a discussion on trans issues or what it means to be a woman and the lines seem drawn. The hyperbole is used as the norm.

If you say the Republican Party or the Democratic Party is the problem, you're probably right. It isn't better in other countries, like the UK.

 

[gmase]

Didn't Washington warn about political parties? Then Adams and Jefferson made a hash of it.

Another student of Washington's Farewell. Love it!

If you say the Republican Party or the Democratic Party is the problem, you're probably right. It isn't better in other countries, like the UK.

I've heard France is a bowl of politeness.

 

[Tokaji]

I've heard France is a bowl of politeness.

haha - I'm stealing this quote!

 

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/motion-subpoena-hunter-biden-testify-200055954.html

I guess kids will be kids, whether their last name is trump, or biden.

 

[xfire]

 

[tvstrip]

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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true

Probably because of the lack of progress despite being in power for over a year?
Even looking at the promises he DID keep, they are soft-ball no-brainers, like "Rejoin the WHO/Paris accord", "Rescind the Muslim Ban" and "Reverse family separation policies".
Getting a black woman on the SCOTUS was probably the biggest one, and that only happened recently.

He vilified trump over the refugee policy, and promised to set annual refugee admissions at 125,000 and raise it from these. Yet he capped it at 62,500 for 2021, and they didn't even hit that. With the public support for Ukraine (and the fact that they are white refugees), there should be no excuse for not hitting this promise this year.