The Coming Supermajority Nightmare ?

Facetious

Moderated
A Liberal Supermajority
Get ready for 'change' we haven't seen since 1965, or 1933.


If the current polls hold, Barack Obama will win the White House on November 4 and Democrats will consolidate their Congressional majorities, probably with a filibuster-proof Senate or very close to it. Without the ability to filibuster, the Senate would become like the House, able to pass whatever the majority wants.
[Review & Outlook] AP

Though we doubt most Americans realize it, this would be one of the most profound political and ideological shifts in U.S. history. Liberals would dominate the entire government in a way they haven't since 1965, or 1933. In other words, the election would mark the restoration of the activist government that fell out of public favor in the 1970s. If the U.S. really is entering a period of unchecked left-wing ascendancy, Americans at least ought to understand what they will be getting, especially with the media cheering it all on.

The nearby table shows the major bills that passed the House this year or last before being stopped by the Senate minority. Keep in mind that the most important power of the filibuster is to shape legislation, not merely to block it. The threat of 41 committed Senators can cause the House to modify its desires even before legislation comes to a vote. Without that restraining power, all of the following have very good chances of becoming law in 2009 or 2010.


- Medicare for all. When HillaryCare cratered in 1994, the Democrats concluded they had overreached, so they carved up the old agenda into smaller incremental steps, such as Schip for children. A strongly Democratic Congress is now likely to lay the final flagstones on the path to government-run health insurance from cradle to grave.

Mr. Obama wants to build a public insurance program, modeled after Medicare and open to everyone of any income. According to the Lewin Group, the gold standard of health policy analysis, the Obama plan would shift between 32 million and 52 million from private coverage to the huge new entitlement. Like Medicare or the Canadian system, this would never be repealed.

The commitments would start slow, so as not to cause immediate alarm. But as U.S. health-care spending flowed into the default government options, taxes would have to rise or services would be rationed, or both. Single payer is the inevitable next step, as Mr. Obama has already said is his ultimate ideal.

Editorial-page writer Joe Rago explains just how bad it could get in 2009. (Oct. 21)

- The business climate. "We have some harsh decisions to make," Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned recently, speaking about retribution for the financial panic. Look for a replay of the Pecora hearings of the 1930s, with Henry Waxman, John Conyers and Ed Markey sponsoring ritual hangings to further their agenda to control more of the private economy. The financial industry will get an overhaul in any case, but telecom, biotech and drug makers, among many others, can expect to be investigated and face new, more onerous rules. See the "Issues and Legislation" tab on Mr. Waxman's Web site for a not-so-brief target list.

The danger is that Democrats could cause the economic downturn to last longer than it otherwise will by enacting regulatory overkill like Sarbanes-Oxley. Something more punitive is likely as well, for instance a windfall profits tax on oil, and maybe other industries.

- Union supremacy. One program certain to be given right of way is "card check." Unions have been in decline for decades, now claiming only 7.4% of the private-sector work force, so Big Labor wants to trash the secret-ballot elections that have been in place since the 1930s. The "Employee Free Choice Act" would convert workplaces into union shops merely by gathering signatures from a majority of employees, which means organizers could strongarm those who opposed such a petition.

The bill also imposes a compulsory arbitration regime that results in an automatic two-year union "contract" after 130 days of failed negotiation. The point is to force businesses to recognize a union whether the workers support it or not. This would be the biggest pro-union shift in the balance of labor-management power since the Wagner Act of 1935.

- Taxes. Taxes will rise substantially, the only question being how high. Mr. Obama would raise the top income, dividend and capital-gains rates for "the rich," substantially increasing the cost of new investment in the U.S. More radically, he wants to lift or eliminate the cap on income subject to payroll taxes that fund Medicare and Social Security. This would convert what was meant to be a pension insurance program into an overt income redistribution program. It would also impose a probably unrepealable increase in marginal tax rates, and a permanent shift upward in the federal tax share of GDP.

- The green revolution. A tax-and-regulation scheme in the name of climate change is a top left-wing priority. Cap and trade would hand Congress trillions of dollars in new spending from the auction of carbon credits, which it would use to pick winners and losers in the energy business and across the economy. Huge chunks of GDP and millions of jobs would be at the mercy of Congress and a vast new global-warming bureaucracy. Without the GOP votes to help stage a filibuster, Senators from carbon-intensive states would have less ability to temper coastal liberals who answer to the green elites.

- Free speech and voting rights. A liberal supermajority would move quickly to impose procedural advantages that could cement Democratic rule for years to come. One early effort would be national, election-day voter registration. This is a long-time goal of Acorn and others on the "community organizer" left and would make it far easier to stack the voter rolls. The District of Columbia would also get votes in Congress -- Democratic, naturally.

Felons may also get the right to vote nationwide, while the Fairness Doctrine is likely to be reimposed either by Congress or the Obama FCC. A major goal of the supermajority left would be to shut down talk radio and other voices of political opposition.

- Special-interest potpourri. Look for the watering down of No Child Left Behind testing standards, as a favor to the National Education Association. The tort bar's ship would also come in, including limits on arbitration to settle disputes and watering down the 1995 law limiting strike suits. New causes of legal action would be sprinkled throughout most legislation. The anti-antiterror lobby would be rewarded with the end of Guantanamo and military commissions, which probably means trying terrorists in civilian courts. Google and MoveOn.org would get "net neutrality" rules, subjecting the Internet to intrusive regulation for the first time.



It's always possible that events -- such as a recession -- would temper some of these ambitions. Republicans also feared the worst in 1993 when Democrats ran the entire government, but it didn't turn out that way. On the other hand, Bob Dole then had 43 GOP Senators to support a filibuster, and the entire Democratic Party has since moved sharply to the left. Mr. Obama's agenda is far more liberal than Bill Clinton's was in 1992, and the Southern Democrats who killed Al Gore's BTU tax and modified liberal ambitions are long gone.

In both 1933 and 1965, liberal majorities imposed vast expansions of government that have never been repealed, and the current financial panic may give today's left another pretext to return to those heydays of welfare-state liberalism. Americans voting for "change" should know they may get far more than they ever imagined.

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A govt. super majority is not indicative of a representative democracy.
 
Fortunately, America is stocked with millions of well-armed lunatics just salivating for such events to occur. I'm going to save and stash enough money for a one-way ticket back to Oz, just in case. But we'll see.
 
those goddamn leftist in the 1960's, look at all the crazy shit that they pulled like allowing women and black people to vote!

what the fuck? I'm pretty sure that America wasn't any worse off in 1933 and 1965 then it is now. As long as we have a two party system and a nano-second memory span the government will always be creeping toward one party domination, one way then the other. Just ask anyone why they are voting and it makes it obvious: "I'm voting for this guy because he's not the other guy!"
 
I think it will be interesting to see what the Democrats can do when they don't have to contend with a bunch of dumbed-down, bible-thumping retards.
 

Facetious

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WTF does religion have to do with what was posted in the article ?
Are you suggesting that all Democrats are of the anti faith persuasion ? I mean . . I don't really care what the individuals' religion is, it's the way in which they govern is what is of greatest importance, no ?
 
Besides the fact they are almost certain to attack the Second Amendment, get stupid with affirmative action, cave in to illegal aliens, or have their way with other social issues of their choice at others freedoms, I don't have too much of a problem with most of the economic things they might do. The Libertarian/Republican/cowboy capitalistic philosophy on how our system should be run has failed us and they are too stupid to see it.

If Republicans don't like the fact they are going to be outnumbered they and the administration they helped put into office shouldn’t have sucked so badly for this long.
 
That article contains nothing more than slanted, cynical speculation. It's almost like it was written by the RNC. Hell, since it's sourced at the WSJ, it might as well have been.

Thanks for the opinion Rupert and Co.:thefinger
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Besides the fact they are almost certain to attack the Second Amendment, get stupid with affirmative action, cave in to illegal aliens, or have their way with other social issues of their choice at others freedoms, I don't have too much of a problem with most of the economic things they might do. The Libertarian/Republican/cowboy capitalistic philosophy on how our system should be run has failed us and they are too stupid to see it.

If Republicans don't like the fact they are going to be outnumbered they and the administration they helped put into office shouldn’t have sucked so badly for this long.

Wow, thats it?
Only those things?
damn, and I was getting a bit worried there.

So theres a recession and a shitty situation in Iraq, so lets vote for those things I highlighted in your post to make it better?
As Spock would say, thats highly ilogical captain.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Fortunately, America is stocked with millions of well-armed lunatics just salivating for such events to occur. I'm going to save and stash enough money for a one-way ticket back to Oz, just in case. But we'll see.

Fortunately, some of us "well armed lunatics" understand that, freedom isn't free, and the 2nd Amendment ain't about hunting fuckin ducks! We also understand that that freedom also extends to those that want us to not have guns, but since we do, we have to stand up for them too, because a democracy, and freedom are two entirely different things and even though they want to deny us our rights, they deserve them just like we do.

"A democracy, is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Freedom, is a well armed lamb contesting that vote."~Thomas Jefferson.
 

Facetious

Moderated
That article contains nothing more than slanted, cynical speculation. It's almost like it was written by the RNC. Hell, since it's sourced at the WSJ, it might as well have been.

Thanks for the opinion Rupert and Co.:thefinger

And what in the hell are you going to do with your "future" mba, kid ?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
You suggest that "it's almost like it was written by the RNC" . . . YOU JUST SPECULATED !:rolleyes::rolleyes:

What's with the gun in your sig ? Aren't you an obedient democrat ?
 
That's what we get ... destruction of small business ...

That's what we get thanx to the Republicans pushing a facist economic model for decades. Now we're going to get socialism. Facism doesn't stand up well to socialism, and capitalism died decades go.

The Libertarian-Capitalist thinkers have been "breeded out" by the religious right and socialist left. So what's left are the "give all" v. the "have nots," with independent success and small business destroyed by higher income taxes, and higher capital gains taxes just reducing re-investment by those who already have wealth (who horde it instead).

A good 50% of small businesses are comprised of high income earners, and taxing them only prevents them from growing and creating more jobs. Those with existing wealth as well as large corporations remain untouched.

Worse yet, raise capital gains as well and you reduce investment of existing wealth from creating jobs. That, along with killing the income of small business owners, is the 1-2 non-sense that helped get us into this mess.

People think Paris Hilton when they raise income taxes. It's utterly sad. Then people accuse the Wall Street Journal of being biased and wrong. Biased against what? The WSJ has been very critical of investment banking and their ethics (has been for some time). But they are still for capitalism because, duh, maybe it's about people earning their keep?

I don't understand people in this country. They want a "strong economy," but then they think that's raising taxes and penalizing high income earners. They think of the "CEOs" and "big wigs," but forget over 80% of those people are small business owners who are growing their business.

Raising income taxes only prevents more people from acquiring new wealth. And raising capital gains only inhibits those who have wealth from investing it. The concept of "redistribution of wealth" is what failed for communist states.

And what makes the US worse is that we've had capitalism so long that people "expect" those with money to "share it" blindly, in many stupid and fruitless endeavors. At least most states of the EU do socialism correctly, where their own people recognize that "we all share for everyone's benefit." Americans still don't understand that concept.

Americans think higher taxes on others than themselves believe they can spend another $20K on a new car. Not! Hell, most of us "high income earners" have half the house and half the car as you.

I mean, if it's really about "taxing people who buy luxuries" then dammit, let's just get a "luxury tax" and be done with it! For those who are frugal, and actually invest and create jobs, let's stop taxing them! Go after the "rich snobs that live like such" with a "luxury tax." Not a "fair tax" on everything (which is regressive, even if it would benefit me, I'm against it), but a "luxury tax."

That's really what most Americans actually want, a "luxury tax." That takes care of the Paris Hilton types of the US. But in reality, it doesn't add up to much.

These aren't "unfounded theories," these are "common sense." The whole reason "Joe the Plummer" is what some harp on (not that I agree with the Republicans) is because most Americans are so poor at math/economics that they don't understand the basics of running a small business. And why is that? Because most Americans have NEVER run a small business of their OWN MONEY!

Those of us who have been (successfully) self-employed and/or have run a small business on our own money know this. We're getting crushed between the facist Republicans of super-corporation monopoly and the socialist Democrats that think there will be any "high income earners" left to tax when they're done (there will be far less). That's what successful, self-employed and small business owners are complaining about.

And, frankly, the WSJ actually knows this. They are, after all, capitalists and not about facist economic model mega-corporations. They regularly argue against Republican policies. Why? Because they are what caused this non-sense in the first place.

It definitely wasn't "free market" or "deregulation." Even Bill Clinton argues that! It's the other non-sense, especially the, "oh, government will save us if we screw up."

If that makes me a "right winger," so be it. But I also have Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton in that mix too. Unfortunately, people seem to mis-represent what they actually did and believe in. Especially Bill Clinton as of late, not because of the 5th grader left assumptions about him (he did not exit office with the economy "in good shape," we were over half-way to an official recession when W. took office and the surpluses were already being eradicated by continuing, negative growth in the economy). But because Bill Clinton is trying to tell Americans where we're fucking up (and have been for some time).

On our own, with our own, 5th grader level ideas. Blame is easy. Getting at the problem is hard. I see my neighbors defaulting on loans. Why? Not because of the government, but because of themselves. They all have bigger houses than I and drive better cars. They've lived 3x the life I have, materially. Yet I'm the one who continues to pay for other people's mistakes, and don't live any life like they do. Sigh ...
 

maildude

Postal Paranoiac
those goddamn leftist in the 1960's, look at all the crazy shit that they pulled like allowing women and black people to vote!

what the fuck? I'm pretty sure that America wasn't any worse off in 1933 and 1965 then it is now. As long as we have a two party system and a nano-second memory span the government will always be creeping toward one party domination, one way then the other. Just ask anyone why they are voting and it makes it obvious: "I'm voting for this guy because he's not the other guy!"

Great post!! :thumbsup:
 
Yepp that's what the people wanted thanks to eight years of good ol Bush and his lies and information leaks of the departments under his administration and this big bail out it seems he layed the foundations for an Obama socialist agenda. Those who ran scarred and elected Bush out of fear are the same ones running scared because of the economy and for some reason believe that Obama knows better how to handle it??? This is madness that guy only got community organizer and two years as a junior senator as his background experience. Yeah most college kids don't care they don't have shit to pay for but to believe in the everyone is equal dream and goverment should enforce that.

I guess most of the supporters young socialist will be happy to know that you will be given jobs as community organizers and don't expect to get paid good because after all you are doing it for the good of the state.
 
And what in the hell are you going to do with your "future" mba, kid ?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
You suggest that "it's almost like it was written by the RNC" . . . YOU JUST SPECULATED !:rolleyes::rolleyes:

What's with the gun in your sig ? Aren't you an obedient democrat ?

What am I going to do with my "future" MBA? Well, after I finish grad school (which will be in the fall of 2009), I want to get a job as a marketing manager. That job comes with a lot of perks incuding lots of travel, a company car, a free cell phone and more. Not to mention a six figure salary. If that doesn't work out the way I plan then I can always work in human resource management, process oversight and development, or capital investment management.

As far as my suggestion that the artice you posted seems like it was written by the RNC. That is not speculation. Speculation is defined as, reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition. If I had said the article was written by the RNC, then that would have been speculation and/or conjecture. Which ever you prefer. But I didn't say that. I said it's almost like it was written by the RNC. That is just an observation pointing out the fact that the article is nothing more than pessimistic conclusions about the possible upcoming Democratic supermajority which are drawn from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure factuality.

To conclude this response, I'd like to ask you to please refrain from referring to me as a "kid" in that disrespectful manner. I'm in my mid 20s. And as for my sig, it has nothing to do with politics. I simply decided to use Cobra Comander in my sig and avatar. And just because I lean left, doesn't mean I'm anti gun.
 
Honestly, this is what is motivating me most to vote for McCain at this point. Its not that I like the man all that much... I'm just terrified of what a one party government will do to this country.

However, there are a couple silver linings:

1) The Supreme Court. One party legislatures have a tendency to aim high... so high that they tread into dicey Constitutional grounds. Federal litigation can tie up new legislation for years. We might see a new President or a new Congressional majority before any major laws can be rewritten and enacted, at which point the damage can be undone.

2) The deficit. Bush has effectively handcuffed this country into a spending freeze with the Bailout Bill. In the past three months, we've spent just shy of $1 trillion on "rescuing" financial institutions. That's twice what we've spent in Iraq in 5 1/2 years. Even being optimistic and thinking that some of these bailouts turn out to be sound investments, he's dug us a hole that will take at least one entire presidency to get out of, and probably much more.

3) Factioning. There's nothing quite like a supermajority to bring out everybody's true colors. Drunk on power and seemingly unstoppable, the Democratic party could very easily tear itself apart on conflicting priorities and methods. In the end, power for all means power for none. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked to see the minority Republicans become the most powerful congressmen in both the House and Senate, as power-hungry Democrats realize that a little back-scratching of the minority party will net them power over the majority of their own party. Could be fun to watch Pelosi squirm, actually.
 
I guess most of the supporters young socialist will be happy to know that you will be given jobs as community organizers and don't expect to get paid good because after all you are doing it for the good of the state.

job security sounds like a good deal to me, as opposed to corporations that lay off all their workers and ship the jobs overseas to kids that make 10 cents an hour. yeah, cutthroat capitalism is great if you make a million dollars a year, not so much if you are the average worker who's lucky to even get minimum wage.

I see all these people boo hooing because they only get to take home 100 grand after the big bad government has taxed them. they are saying why should I have to pay? cuz you got more money bitch. it's a pretty simple equation. Someone always has to pay, how is it fair that the poor are the only one's that have to?
 
Democratic Supermajority sounds good to me. We will stop being in the torture business. We will stop "spreading our wealth" to Iraq. We will get back in the hunting-down-Osama business. We will toss "The Patriot Act" in the garbage. We will stop the aristocrat-fetish known as "trickle down economics/noble largesse." We will have a president that can string a complex sentence together beyond the simple subject/verb/"texan" constructions which is what our current president is only capable of. We will stop pandering to selfish, divisive evangelicals. We will not have a V.P. who is in the bag for Big Oil and Halliburton. We will have a president who rebuilds our shredded global opinion so that "our friends" actually help us rather than laugh in our face. We will stop having to stomach the Republican pander to the working class. We will not have a V.P. elect who thinks the V.P. controls the Senate and has "Russian experience" simply by "being neighbors" to Russia.

The Democratic Supermajority can't arrive soon enough....
 

"A democracy, is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Freedom, is a well armed lamb contesting that vote."~Thomas Jefferson.

I don't believe that Jefferson said that. I looked into it and the quote is more commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin and also generally dismissed as false lacking any original citation.

that metaphor really doesn't make much sense and it seems to be arguing that a minority dominating the majority is better than the alternative, which doesn't seem like such a good thing to me.
 
^^
Yes. That quote seems more likely something nonsensical to which Ron Paul probably said once. It was most likely a piece of "flag-waving" profundity which was meant to stoke up and froth up the rednecks and bibletoter crowd. It is too modern for Jefferson or Franklin.
 
2) The deficit. Bush has effectively handcuffed this country into a spending freeze with the Bailout Bill. In the past three months, we've spent just shy of $1 trillion on "rescuing" financial institutions. That's twice what we've spent in Iraq in 5 1/2 years. Even being optimistic and thinking that some of these bailouts turn out to be sound investments, he's dug us a hole that will take at least one entire presidency to get out of, and probably much more.
And you think W. is really and solely responsible for this? Honestly, Americans need to remember the economy that W. walked into, even before 9/11!

Most of us laughed when a (now infamous) representative said "the tax cuts caused the recession" (because he ignoranting stated that when the quarters of negative growth that resulted in the recession started before W. took office). Many others laughed at those who pointed at companies like Enron and blamed W. when their "cooking the books" were done during the Clinton administration as well (all W. did was see to their prosecution). Was Clinton to blame? I'm not saying that (let alone there would be plenty of Republican Congressmen/women to also blame at the same time). I'm just pointing out the "state" of the economy when W. came in, regardless of how "some people remember it" or want to "ignore half of the statistics" on the matter.

The "record surpluses" were already going down the tubes when W. took office, and their eradication was already taking place (and jobs with them by Q2 of the W. administration, including my own at the time, and then again in Q4 after 9/11). At some point, people need to realize this things stretches back to not just the Clinton administration, but several before that as well.

It picked up major steam in the early '90s, then was headed off by the stock/.COM boom and then the bust that was in "full swing" by W.'s term. "False wealth" was created, then taxed, before, and those "record surpluses" were erased overnight, and a boom in "entitlements" follows (as does always in a recession). W. then benefited from the corresponding, and also quite "fake wealth," housing boom, which exploded into an even worse case.

There is no one man, let alone no one administration, that is at fault. I will clearly fault W. for "making it worse" at many points, but even Greenspan and, God love his integrity (I honestly mean it, he's really quite respectable for doing this), Clinton have taken blame for a lot of what is going on now. Why? Because if we're just blaming one man, instead of actually learning from what actually happened, then we deserve for it to repeat again.

Besides, nothing drives socialism faster than financial insecurity and uncertainty. Unfortunately, Republicans haven't been offering capitalism for a long time, only more short-term, Fascist economic model non-sense combined with right-wing "God is good for all" rhetoric.

I can't stand either side, enough that I not only will not vote for them, but I won't vote for them because they offer no solutions other than more socialism and facism economics, respectively. Small business owners and the self-employed are pretty fucked at this point, getting squeezed between the two agendas, even though they employ 50% of working Americans.
 
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