...and yet freeones felt the need to erase my posts... weird.
The "Coloured girl bj" thread
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...and yet freeones felt the need to erase my posts... weird.
Since I don't know you, iamboring, I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic with your praise there, but I'll assume you weren't. (So, thanks for the compliment re: my post)
I'll return your praise by saying it takes a serious person to accept their ignorance (in a particular area) - especially when someone else points it out - and not take offense, and to then actually think the issue over.
And I dig Canada, so hey...
As for your theory that racism shouldn't be given attention, well, I think there ARE good times to ignore racist assholes and what they say, but there are also good times to confront racist assholes and what they say, and to tear apart their silly claims and to deconstruct and rip apart their various "ideas". It depends on the context.
dave_rhino
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I wasn't being sarcastic at all... I have no prob admitting my ignorance... it's not a bad word or a thig to be ashamed of... it's a fact of life to be ignorant... it's out job to learn as much as we can and pass on what we can to others to try to better the world.. i just think that even if you rip a racist's theory to shreds infront of the whole world and you prove that the racist is wrong through and through... it still promotes racism... and so some other jack ass will use it as a way to get attention....
If they see a black person is being discriminated against, a white person either will feel empathy or not. They can't control it and thankfully neither can you. This is not an issue of having the "right" to do something.
Nope wrong again. People don't feel empathy to make up for something else. Empathy is an emotion and you can't control your emotions. They are what you feel. The only thing you can control is showing your emotions. Myself, I feel empathy because I am an emotionally mature human being.
All I have to say to that is "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it."
Interesting points, senob.
I think it's important for people to remember the distinction between empathy, which is sharing some emotional feeling in response to a situation BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING (or something very similar) and sympathy, which is sharing the emotional ride with someone else even if you can't relate personally to what they have experienced/are experiencing. [At least that has been my understanding of those terms for some time now!!]
I can't honestly empathize with the challenges of black people's experiences, past and present, but I can, and often do, sympathize.
I am baffled by what rmagedon said - "how white people could get offended when someone uses a racial slur or makes an prejudice comment against a person of color. I never got that."
I don't like to see someone punch a little girl in the nose, either, even though I'm an adult man. I am bothered by things that are unfair, unjust, immoral. (believe it or not, even though I'm not a Christian, or religious at all)
Is this really so hard to grasp?
I think it's important for people to remember the distinction between empathy, which is sharing some emotional feeling in response to a situation BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING (or something very similar) and sympathy, which is sharing the emotional ride with someone else even if you can't relate personally to what they have experienced/are experiencing. [At least that has been my understanding of those terms for some time now!!]
I can't honestly empathize with the challenges of black people's experiences, past and present, but I can, and often do, sympathize.
I am baffled by what rmagedon said - "how white people could get offended when someone uses a racial slur or makes an prejudice comment against a person of color. I never got that."
I don't like to see someone punch a little girl in the nose, either, even though I'm an adult man. I am bothered by things that are unfair, unjust, immoral. (believe it or not, even though I'm not a Christian, or religious at all)
Is this really so hard to grasp?
^ and you know what i don't get? rmagedon and i are friends if real life... you know outside the internet. i'm white and he's spanish, or brown, or latino, or whatever the non-offensive P.C. term is. and we had a lively back and forth on here making fun of each other's race, we actually LAUGH about it.
but all those posts got deleted, because somebody is afraid they would offend somebody else you know cause of all your guys "empathy". we sure as shit didn't become friends because i feel sorry for him, and lemme tell you facial king that man has faced more racism then you and i put together, i've SEEN it first hand. so maybe we as white people need to get up off our P.C. high horse and stop telling people of "color" how to feel.
but all those posts got deleted, because somebody is afraid they would offend somebody else you know cause of all your guys "empathy". we sure as shit didn't become friends because i feel sorry for him, and lemme tell you facial king that man has faced more racism then you and i put together, i've SEEN it first hand. so maybe we as white people need to get up off our P.C. high horse and stop telling people of "color" how to feel.
Aces&Jacks
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Don't kid yourself into thinking that your posts got deleted because they may have been offensive to some, and thus support whatever argument you are trying to make here. Your post got deleted because you two were arguing and calling each other names, in essence flaming, which is not and will never be tolerated on this board. So instead of continually stating your indignation over your deleted posts, consider the fact that only the posts were deleted.
That certainly makes sense, from seeing some of the posts on this board from the two of you, you are two of the rudest members on this board lately. I guess birds of a feather flock together.
To Facial_King: Good point about sympathy and empathy. Reading your post, perhaps I was incorrect in my previous post. Perhaps what I feel is sympathy and not empathy. I have been discriminated against and singled out in the past, especially in my youth, but maybe not enough to empathize with a black person's experiences with discrimination. But as you touched on, the important thing is, as a person, I feel sad when I see anyone discriminated for any reason.
terai ringo
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and the colored girls sing .... 
and the colored girls sing ....
Nice Neil Young avatar!
That's great that you have an ethnic friend. :hatsoff: Give yourself a big pat on the back.
Is he from Spain? (That's what the word "Spanish" is typically reserved for) Is he brown-skinned? Ok, but that doesn't necessarily make him a Latino. Plenty of people in Spain are actually as light-skinned as what you'll see an American police officer describe as "caucasian". So, I'm not really sure you've told us much of anything other than that your friend or his family came from a Spanish-speaking or Portuguese-speaking country.
I don't recall telling anyone how to feel. And as for empathy, well, I can't really have it (as I thought I explained), as I have not experienced discrimination, prejudice, bigotry and hatred based on my national origin or skin color.
I'm not sure I told anybody they were wrong about anything... you should try to do the same... I just think there are very few people who can actually empathize.. I think facial king makes a good point...( haha,.. I'll just say FK makes a good point,... it's hard to seriously try to make a good point out of saying something like " facial king makes a good point"... ) anyway.. FK makes a good point and really I do think we confuse empathy and sympathy... in anycase... I believe, whether our intentions are good or bad... expressing our feelings out loud about racism will only feul the fire...
I apologize for using the term empathy where I may have been speaking of sympathy. I covered that in post #52. All I know is that it does make me sad when I see a black person (or any race) being the subject of discrimination. You really can't classify this sadness, you just know how it makes you feel. Like I said, I have been discriminated against, but you're right that I wouldn't try to tell a black person (unless I knew them well) that I know what they're going through, because I may very well not know the extent of what they're going through. I hope that makes sense.
Any time.
wow... just wow...
well i'll tell him he's not spanish enough to be spanish or not brown enough or whatever. he'll be relieved i'm sure that P.C. white people have finally got together and decided what he should call himself, and his people. by the way when i call him i usually say "hey you get your ass over here before i call up immigration"... he gets the point trust me.
the POINT people was that when you're a white person and you get all uppity about racism it comes off as condescending. u can't be MORE offended about racism then the actual victim member of the minority race.
well i'll tell him he's not spanish enough to be spanish or not brown enough or whatever. he'll be relieved i'm sure that P.C. white people have finally got together and decided what he should call himself, and his people. by the way when i call him i usually say "hey you get your ass over here before i call up immigration"... he gets the point trust me.
the POINT people was that when you're a white person and you get all uppity about racism it comes off as condescending. u can't be MORE offended about racism then the actual victim member of the minority race.
"not spanish enough to be spanish"? Either he's from Spain or he's not; it's really not complicated. Just like, for instance, if you're not a citizen of Canada you're not Canadian.
You can personally set the bar for what is "uppity" as low as you want to, that is a fairly useless critique. So saying that one doesn't like to read about various injustices makes one "uppity"? As for emotions, I haven't felt any strong emotions one way or the other on this thread, so I'm a bit puzzled as to how you define this diversionary smear. I haven't condescended to anyone.
By talking about the difference between "empathy" and "sympathy" I think I made it pretty clear that I wasn't "MORE offended about racism then [sic] the actual victim member of the minority race" as, in most ways, I couldn't personally relate to being on the receiving end of racist bigotry.
