The battle against "lads mags"

Once again the "I'm offended" card is being played and its even more hilarious than usual -

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/lawyers-warn-over-lads-mag-sales-082158770.html#bNk78Av

Why do people who find anything offensive, think it gives them rights against said material. If you don't like something don't look at it, simple as. I don't read these kind of magazines anyway, I'm not 15 anymore, but what I find offensive about this is why others think we should all get behind their moral values.

This is the 21st century, if you don't like something, shut the fuck up.
 
The irony for me will be that the feminist groups that are trying to stop Page 3 over here are facing backlash from the models themselves, pointing out what a good living they make, how they make great friends in the glamour game and get to see the world on their shoots, so the people that they will end up hurting financially if successful are other women.

Shutting well-established avenues into glamour modelling and restricting the chances that women have to make money from their gifts translates to trying to tell other women what they can and can't do with their own bodies.... doesn't sound very feminist to me.
 
The irony for me will be that the feminist groups that are trying to stop Page 3 over here are facing backlash from the models themselves, pointing out what a good living they make, how they make great friends in the glamour game and get to see the world on their shoots, so the people that they will end up hurting financially if successful are other women.

Shutting well-established avenues into glamour modelling and restricting the chances that women have to make money from their gifts translates to trying to tell other women what they can and can't do with their own bodies.... doesn't sound very feminist to me.

You know who else is making the argument that it doesn't sound very feminist? The feminists. There's actually been a Feminist Civil War raging since about the mid-80s. It's the Anti-Pornography Feminists versus the Sex Positive-Feminists.
 
the whole thing is ridiculous, if you are offended by such material then dont look at it, simple. I agree that these mags should be out of reach of young ******** but thats it. These kind of mags have had their day anyway, readership numbers are dwindling and the actual content of them is very poor.

i would love to see some of these people who complain about these magazines if they were shown what real pornography looks like!
 

Harley Spencer

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the whole thing is ridiculous, if you are offended by such material then dont look at it, simple. I agree that these mags should be out of reach of young ******** but thats it. These kind of mags have had their day anyway, readership numbers are dwindling and the actual content of them is very poor.

i would love to see some of these people who complain about these magazines if they were shown what real pornography looks like!

I was in one of those magazines. Just because it isn't all hardcore action doesn't mean it isn't "real porn."
 
[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/harley-spencer said:
Harley Spencer[/URL][/B], post: 7641019, member: 579739"]I was in one of those magazines. Just because it isn't all hardcore action doesn't mean it isn't "real porn."

"Lad's Mags" is generally a UK term used to refer to stuff like ***, Maxim, Stuff... things like that. Topless only. Penthouse, Playboy, Hustler and other such things wouldn't be included.
 

Harley Spencer

Official Checked Star Member
"Lad's Mags" is generally a UK term used to refer to stuff like ***, Maxim, Stuff... things like that. Topless only. Penthouse, Playboy, Hustler and other such things wouldn't be included.

Sure, but I don't doubt that what he said also applies to Penthouse, Playboy and Hustler in some people's minds. They're definitely not as popular as they used to be seeing as porn is now mainly internet based, that's where most people go, and so many people are seemingly only interested in hardcore action with gangbangs, dp, anal, bdsm, etc. and according to some, anything below those genres aren't "real porn", which is offensive to me.
 
Sure, but I don't doubt that what he said also applies to Penthouse, Playboy and Hustler in some people's minds. They're definitely not as popular as they used to be seeing as porn is now mainly internet based, that's where most people go, and so many people are seemingly only interested in hardcore action with gangbangs, dp, anal, bdsm, etc. and according to some, anything below those genres aren't "real porn", which is offensive to me.

This is interesting, since many of the women who pose for the "Lad's Mags" like *** and Maxim take offense when it's referred to as porn. The world is very much shaped by everyone's perceptions.

Perhaps as a society we need to better define our terms. Personally I prefer the term "erotica" to porn anyway... sounds sexier.
 

Harley Spencer

Official Checked Star Member
This is interesting, since many of the women who pose for the "Lad's Mags" like *** and Maxim take offense when it's referred to as porn. The world is very much shaped by everyone's perceptions.

Perhaps as a society we need to better define our terms. Personally I prefer the term "erotica" to porn anyway... sounds sexier.

I've never seen ***, but I have seen Maxim and it's definitely not porn in my opinion, not even necessarily erotica. It's just provocatively dressed women, mostly bikinis and sexy sporty outfits. Regardless of what it's labeled, the content definitely isn't poor. Just because there aren't dicks pounding the girls, spread shots, blowjobs, etc. doesn't mean it's poor.

I do agree about the word erotica, it does sound nice.
 
[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/harley-spencer said:
Harley Spencer[/URL][/B], post: 7641079, member: 579739"]I've never seen ***, but I have seen Maxim and it's definitely not porn in my opinion, not even necessarily erotica. It's just provocatively dressed women, mostly bikinis and sexy sporty outfits.

***, much like UK Maxim, does have topless shots, but no bottomless (well, they show butts). I don't know if that changes your impression.

[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/harley-spencer said:
Harley Spencer[/URL][/B], post: 7641079, member: 579739"]Regardless of what it's labeled, the content definitely isn't poor. Just because there aren't dicks pounding the girls, spread shots, blowjobs, etc. doesn't mean it's poor.

I wouldn't say that, but then I've always been more a fan of the softer stuff anyway. :dunno:

[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/harley-spencer said:
Harley Spencer[/URL][/B], post: 7641079, member: 579739"]I do agree about the word erotica, it does sound nice.

"Pornography" just sounds a little too... clinical. Connotation-wise, to me, it just seems like there's no art to it, no passion. It's a cold word.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
You know who else is making the argument that it doesn't sound very feminist? The feminists. There's actually been a Feminist Civil War raging since about the mid-80s. It's the Anti-Pornography Feminists versus the Sex Positive-Feminists.

:hatsoff: to you. Not a lot of people realize that. I went to see Camille Paglia speak many years ago. And although I had come to believe that I was opposed to feminism (because all I had been exposed to were the radical, man hating, whining, irritating, constantly complaining FemiNazi types), I walked away as a great fan and admirer of this woman. But she's not a Gloria Steinem/Patricia Ireland/NOW hypocrite feminist. Without trying to put her into a box, I guess the best way to describe Camille is as a "libertarian feminist". She doesn't **** men. And she doesn't believe that the only way for women to make it in this world is for the government to take away from men and hand it to them. She's not angry at men for having penises and she didn't get one. A few years after I heard her speak, she attended a NOW conference and one topic she wanted to discuss was why the "sandalistas" were always whining about the plight of women, but the only women in power at NOW were primarily White (and Jewish) females. She asked about why women of color never seemed to be seen or heard. She had some other topics she wanted to discuss as well. But the good "womyn" of NOW shut Camille's mic off and refused to let her speak. What an open, tolerant group they showed themselves to be. :cthulhu: Sometime after that, the NOW gals got themselves a token Black president. But the joke I heard was that they found her cleaning rooms at the luxury hotel where they were staying and made her the president just for a photo session.

But anyway, Camille Paglia represents a brand of feminism that isn't about dragging someone else down to improve the plight of women. And Camille's brand of feminism (where sexuality is celebrated, not shunned) represents a major threat to the NOW/Gloria Steinem/Patricia Ireland brand. Reagan's boy, Ed Meese, Jerry Falwell/The Moral Majority, Pat Robertson and the Sandalistas of NOW all stood together and held hands, as Meese went buck wild on the pornography industry in America in the late 80's. W. Bush wasn't much better. And to be quite honest, any porn that offends the radical feminists in Obama's base has been attacked by Obama's boy, Holder. These are the people who claim that women must be made a special, protected class of citizen. These are the people who claim that pornography encourages men to **** women. So it must be ******. More of that war on women and misogyny stuff will happen otherwise. So... uh... does gay porn encourage gay guys to **** women? I'm cornfused 'bout that, ma'am.

Say, isn't UK Feminista the whacko FemiNazi group that has been giving the producers of Game of Thrones a hard time lately? Somebody fact check me on that, but I think it is. Fuck them!
 
Really, both sides in the Feminist Sex Wars were prone to mis-characterization and being defined by quotes out of context and the most extreme on each side of the debate. That makes it like anything I suppose. It's somewhat ironic that for about forty years now feminism's worst enemy has been itself.

I'm a Sex-Positive Feminist. Have been since high school after having a teacher who was the same, and introduced the class to the concepts and debates over the whole issue. The anti-pornography feminists seem to be made up of, primarily, the radical feminists and have rather questionable views on sexuality, and LGBT lifestyles among other things.
 

bobjustbob

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There are people who live to see others march in line with them. It isn't hard to find a lawyer to help take on their causes. Right now those magazines are kept behind counters in USA. Our good old buddy Mike Bloomberg wants cigarettes to not be displayed behind counters either. They have to be kept under counters or in drawers or behind a curtain. The kicker is that you would be allowed to display the advertising. Let's tell Mc Donald's that they can only show their logo and not their food on television. You know, "for the protection of the people."
 
At least your not in the US. Here not only will they use the "I'm offended" card, but the "think of the ********" card also gets busted out most of time when somebody wants to ban something.
 
[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/petra said:
Petra[/URL][/B], post: 7640026, member: 114093"]Get in line, everyone wants a piece of me.

Dibs on your pancreas! :D
 
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