Supreme Court On Gay Marriage: Prop 8, DOMA To Receive Hearings

[Rattrap]

I should warn you that this thread is not new, and the post before mine is several months old.

Which is just to say, feel free to continue pressing Will to answer the question we all want him to answer.

 

[meesterperfect]

who cares, let them get married and adopt children if they are fit.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

I don't understand why so many cavemen are rushing to protect an ancient pagan ritual for so-called Christian reasons.

Because once you endorse something you automatically own it; It's yours and all control defaults to you?

This was the same thing you guys said during the presidential election, that the polls were skewed and that Romney would win by a landslide. You can bitch and moan all you want but you're going to be on the wrong side of history. A majority of Americans now support same sex marriage and it's not going to change no matter what you think.

Yeah, it's inevitable that it will happen. At best the small-minded can hold out for a few more years. "Gayness" obviously isn't going anywhere.

I believe some of the extremists are still holding out hope for a "gay cure".

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

I'm not so much interested in the moral debate over gay marriage as I am simply curious to see how the Supreme Court is going to rule. They normally tend to rule with public opinion in mind, but I don't think they want to rule on such a controversial issue until opinion sways more in favour, which is going to happen. Should be interesting from a legal/political standpoint.

 

[meesterperfect]

i used to be against it.
i never cared what people do in their personal life, the whole pursuit of happiness thing.
If being with another dude or chick makes you happy then go for it.
I still am pretty much against marraige though, but a legal union recognizing homosexuals as a couple i have no problem with.
Either way, if they want to make it legal for them to be married I don't think its such a big deal.

My concern and main reason I'm not to keen on the idea is about children.
lets face it, although most homosexuals are pretty much normal people ( aside from the fact that theyre homosexual) , but some are just weirdos and freaks.
Just look at some of the characters at those gay pride parades.
I have a problem with them adopting children. That's my only issue with it.

 

[Jeep!]

lets face it, although most homosexuals are pretty much normal people ( aside from the fact that theyre homosexual) , but some are just weirdos and freaks.
Just look at some of the characters at those gay pride parades.
I have a problem with them adopting children. That's my only issue with it.

Yep, because being a weirdo is exclusive to the gay community, straight people are always such wonderful wonderful parents. :/

 

[Mayhem]

i used to be against it.
i never cared what people do in their personal life, the whole pursuit of happiness thing.
If being with another dude or chick makes you happy then go for it.
I still am pretty much against marraige though, but a legal union recognizing homosexuals as a couple i have no problem with.
Either way, if they want to make it legal for them to be married I don't think its such a big deal.

My concern and main reason I'm not to keen on the idea is about children.
lets face it, although most homosexuals are pretty much normal people ( aside from the fact that theyre homosexual) , but some are just weirdos and freaks.
Just look at some of the characters at those gay pride parades.
I have a problem with them adopting children. That's my only issue with it.

The same overall point was made about gays in the military. And during those discussions I would point out that Carson Cressley/Truman Capote/Liberace aren't beelining to their Marine recruiters office.
These guys you point to, what makes you think they want to have children? Come to think of it, being gay gives "Pro-Choice" a whole new meaning.
And how is this different from some high school/college skank getting bombed every chance and blowing the football team every weekend? When she decides to have kids, who is stopping her?

 

[Rattrap]

My concern and main reason I'm not to keen on the idea is about children.

While there isn't a lot of data at this point, what data there is points to kids doing no worse with gay parents as far as performance/behavior in schools were concerned (I posted some studies in another thread debating same-sex marriage).

Without considering and simultaneously addressing single parents, the arguments about same-sex couples adopting children holds no water.

 

[Straight Shooter]

My concern and main reason I'm not to keen on the idea is about children.
lets face it, although most homosexuals are pretty much normal people ( aside from the fact that theyre homosexual) , but some are just weirdos and freaks.
Just look at some of the characters at those gay pride parades.
I have a problem with them adopting children. That's my only issue with it.

Being a weirdo or a freak isn't something that's limited to only gays and lesbians. If that's your argument, then shouldn't straight people who are freaks and weirdos not have children as well?

 

[Will E Worm]

i used to be against it.
i never cared what people do in their personal life, the whole pursuit of happiness thing.
If being with another dude or chick makes you happy then go for it.
I still am pretty much against marraige though, but a legal union recognizing homosexuals as a couple i have no problem with.
Either way, if they want to make it legal for them to be married I don't think its such a big deal.

My concern and main reason I'm not to keen on the idea is about children.
lets face it, although most homosexuals are pretty much normal people ( aside from the fact that theyre homosexual) , but some are just weirdos and freaks.
Just look at some of the characters at those gay pride parades.
I have a problem with them adopting children. That's my only issue with it.

Tell me about it. Sodomite parades are nothing but filth.

Isaiah 3:9 (KJV)
9: The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

As if straight couples can't be "weirdos and freaks"...

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Tell me about it. Sodomite parades are nothing but filth.

But Mardi Gras, that shit is good wholesome family fun.

 

[Will E Worm]

But Mardi Gras, that shit is good wholesome family fun.

Not at all.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Not at all.

Well that kind of makes your input sort of useless, no?

When Mardi Gras and Carnival and anything involving Spring Break allow for naughty hedonistic heterosexual displays it kind of makes Pride Parades sort of a non-issue, doesn't it?

 

[xfire]

Well that kind of makes your input sort of useless, no?

When Mardi Gras and Carnival and anything involving Spring Break allow for naughty hedonistic heterosexual displays it kind of makes Pride Parades sort of a non-issue, doesn't it?

Worm is a fucking immature child that can't handle other people exercising their freedoms.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Worm is a fucking immature child that can't handle other people exercising their freedoms.

He wants the government out of all things, except for the things he wants to control himself. He wants the government to tell gay people they can't get married, but if the government tells him he has to wear a seat belt, they're clearly overstepping.

And he can't articulate anything without using smug, stupid little single word answers and smileys.

Also, he doesn't answer questions that are asked him.

Will does not want conversation, he does not want to do anything except troll. It's what he does. Why anyone ever takes him seriously, I'll never know. It's good to hold him accountable to the lies he states as facts, though.

 

[meesterperfect]

Yep, because being a weirdo is exclusive to the gay community, straight people are always such wonderful wonderful parents. :/

While there isn't a lot of data at this point, what data there is points to kids doing no worse with gay parents as far as performance/behavior in schools were concerned (I posted some studies in another thread debating same-sex marriage).

Without considering and simultaneously addressing single parents, the arguments about same-sex couples adopting children holds no water.

Being a weirdo or a freak isn't something that's limited to only gays and lesbians. If that's your argument, then shouldn't straight people who are freaks and weirdos not have children as well?

As if straight couples can't be "weirdos and freaks"...

Yes, straight people can be horrible parents. in fact the GOV has created millions of them thanks to its welfare system.
So yeah, heterosexuals can be very bad parents.
But let's get real. Honest.
There are many homosexuals who are very responsible upstanding people.
Most don't go around in every move they make, every breath they take (Sting) advertising to the world what their sexual preference is.
Then there are the other ones. the ones like you see at those gay paride parades or all over most cities.
grabbing their dicks, dressed like dare I say freaks and weirdos, acting all sexual in public.
Do you really think they should be raising kids? If a straight person acted like that i bet you would say no.
That's all I'm saying, because when it comes to laws, taxes, and such, believe or not i think of how it effects children more than any other aspect.

By the way Jaana, I saw that yootoob video you did.
That was a really good trans-atlantic accent. Nice job, I liked it.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Yes, straight people can be horrible parents. in fact the GOV has created millions of them thanks to its welfare system.
So yeah, heterosexuals can be very bad parents.
But let's get real. Honest.
There are many homosexuals who are very responsible upstanding people.
Most don't go around in every move they make, every breath they take (Sting) advertising to the world what their sexual preference is.
Then there are the other ones. the ones like you see at those gay paride parades or all over most cities.
grabbing their dicks, dressed like dare I say freaks and weirdos, acting all sexual in public.
Do you really think they should be raising kids? If a straight person acted like that i bet you would say no.
That's all I'm saying, because when it comes to laws, taxes, and such, believe or not i think of how it effects children more than any other aspect.

So... what does this have to do with anything?

Your suggestion is that there are irresponsible people all over the place who probably shouldn't have children. You fully admit that this isn't a "gay" problem, it's a general problem that just also happens to apply to some gays. So really, what does this have to do with gay marriage or gay adoption? What does it have to do with gays at all? Nothing. You don't want weirdos adopting. Fine. That has no bearing on the topic though because the topic isn't about weirdos it's about gays.

 

[Jeep!]

Isaiah 3:9 (KJV)
9: The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Ezekiel 5:1 (Wycliffe)
1: And thou sone of man, take to thee a scharp swerd, schauynge heeris, and thou schalt take it, and schalt leede it bi thin heed, and bi thi berd. And thou schalt take to thee a balaunce of weiyte, and thou schalt departe tho. 2: Thou schalt brenne the thridde part with fier in the myddis of the citee, bi the fillyng of daies of bisegyng. And thou schalt take the thridde part, and schalt kitte bi swerd in the cumpas therof. But thou schalt scatere the tother thridde part in to the wynd, and Y schal make nakid a swerd aftir hem.

 

[D-rock]

Am I the only one that finds it sad that under the law couples that are Neo-Nazis or members of the KKK could potentially legally adapt children because it supposedly isn't right to punish people for some political or religious affiliation have have, but by the laws in the country now and from the views of a lot of people they don't see homosexual couples as fit to be parents and are trying to keep gay marriage from happening because of it.

It's pathetic the length people will go to to enforce their morality on others when what happens doesn't effect them or anybody else other than those directly involved in any meaningful way.