Suicide

[member2686]

The consideration of, or the act of, suicide is indicative and demonstrative of mental illness, severe emotional problems, and/or insanity. Point blank. Period. That's irrefutable, and anyone who debates anything to the contrary is, IMO, am imbecile and fucked in the head - I've been there before and I KNOW what I'm talking about. :eek:

Having mental/psychological problems happens both naturally and inherently - there's NO shame in having them, NO shame in addressing them, and there IS shame in killing yourself because you're too lazy or unwilling to go through the proper steps to get yourself some help.

If you want to kill yourself and are too proud to ask for help in dealing with life/your problems, go for it. See you in the next life or never again.

Suicide is the option that SPINELESS PIECES OF WHALE SHIT choose, though.

:2 cents:

Call 911.

 

[Ax3C]

In any case, it is unlikely you will be able to convince me I'm wrong. If what you are telling me is true, I doubt I can convince you. Nor does it matter. If you wish to continue, we can do so over PMs.

Just as long as you understand something: when I say it takes a brave person to end his or her own life, I don't say that like it's a good thing. I will not respect anyone less because they fear what they rightfully should fear. If anything, being brave (or stupid) enough to get yourself killed is something I would respect a person far less for than being afraid enough to live.

You feel, decide, and live however you feel you must, Imagine. Whatever makes you sleep better at night and keeps you warm on those long, cold, lonely nights; it makes no difference to me nor do I really care, truthfully. What YOU choose to believe, think, or feel about MY life or MY experiences makes not a bit of difference to me. My life will most definitely go on whether or not you believe or disbelieve.

Life is too short to sit here wasting time on the back and forth with people who have absolutely no compassion nor empathy nor desire to help someone when they cry out for help. So, no ... I won't be discussing this issue with you via private messages. I have better things to do with my time.

As for this shitty little comment - If what you are telling me is true, I doubt I can convince you - I won't voice my first instinctual thoughts about it, but I'm fairly positive you know exactly what I want to say to you and exactly on what level. I'm not going to reduce myself to that level, though ... you're not worth the effort.

What I will say this is:

I know exactly what kind of mind-numbing horrors I went through. Quite a few people whom I call FRIENDS on this very Board know what I went through as well. I have no reticence, shame, OR hesitations in talking about it. If I can help someone via my own experiences with thoughts of suicide, then I will do so time and again without question or fail. What I will not do is accept some lame-ass reasoning that suicide is honorable and brave. In my opinion, thoughts of that nature are complete and utter bullshit and are indicative of someone who truly has no clue how precious and wonderful life can be.

Jizm ...

If you need a friend, I'm here. I'll help you as best as I can. KNow this, though, I won't indulge nor will I tolerate a self-indulgent pity-party. I've been there ... and I'm not going back to that. I refuse to take part in that. I turned my life around ... and I'll help you with whatever it takes for you to get back on your feet and get some help, bud.

I'm here if you need to talk someone. If you don't wanna talk, that's cool. Help is out there ... YOU have to be the one to decide to reach out for it.

I'm gone, people ... I've said all I needed or wanted to say on this issue. :hatsoff:

 

[Misery]

Goddamn there are some real assholes on here. First of all, contrary to popular belief, people who voice their desire to commit suicide are just as likely to follow through with the act as are those who don't. Another thing, mental illness is not the only reason people commit suicide. People have killed themselves because of severe financial problems, prison convictions, and a wide array of reasons. To assume that those people all had a mental illness and therefore are insane (a legal term, not a psychologic one either) is irresponsible. Lastly, gun control does not prevent suicide. Countries that have banned guns had a slight decline in suicide, but that decline was temporary, and the numbers have always gone back up as individuals chose different methods. This is APA information and documented in the psychiatric community, which is largely anti-gun.

Regardless of how you feel, you cannot put a blanketed reasoning behind the though process of anyone with suicidal ideation. You may feel you have a right to express those opinions simply because you've been suicidal, and no one is saying you can't, but keep in mind your experiences are not the reality others are living.

FYI, I have a friend who has pulled the attempted suicide card about four times now. He pulled a stunt about two weeks ago, however, his attempt is really just histrionic behavior. He took about 5 sleeping pills (benzodiazepines) and drank some alcohol. It's never a serious attempt with him, and now his friends and family are ignoring his nonsense. This is not something you can ascertain on the net however.

 

[Misery]

As per the negative reps, I have not in any way encouraged suicide. I'm shocked to see you infer that based upon my posts. I think you need to read what I've written and understand it better. To say I know how you feel is just a reminder that I've been there, yet I'm still alive and enjoying things. As I said, seek treatment and find some hobbies to get out of the negativity around you.

To say I've seen people severely disabled due to a serious suicide attempt is all the more reason to avoid doing it. Anyone reading this thread who has suicidal ideation needs to talk to people in the real world, not the internet. You're going to have to trust me when I say I've have contact with more than enough patients with various degrees of psychological issues.

 

[member2686]

Again - call 911 or go see a doctor at the emergency room if you REALLY feel suicidal. The people here saying that going through with suicide takes "courage" and "determination" are full of shit, naive, and delusional, IMO.

:2 cents:

 

[Imagine]

What I will not do is accept some lame-ass reasoning that suicide is honorable and brave.

Then you've completely failed to understand my argument.

 

[member2686]

Any notion that suicide is honorable and brave is ridiculous. There's NEVER a valid reason to do it. It's the most selfish and weak-willed thing a human being can do. It's utter cowardice and forfeiture of honor. It's failure.

Self-destruction is not to be promoted or advocated, IMO, to people calling out for help, and I can't believe that there are people here in our community on the board who would fucking advocate that bullshit.

Shame on you.

Someone asks for help, again, and people are telling him it's an act of determination and courage to kill himself. While I think Jizm's responses to the advice we gave him are utter stupidity, if another person here asks for our help again, I'd certainly hope people would not push the person into killing themself.

How wrong is THAT?!?! :crying:

Then you've completely failed to understand my argument.

 

[Imagine]

Again, I'd like to point out that you've completely failed to understand my argument. Either because I've failed to express it, or because (and I'm leaning towards this explanation at the moment) you don't want to understand. Show me a single quote where I say suicide is honorable, or good, or even remotely positive. You'll fail, but please, go ahed.

 

[Dixie Normus]

I always thought of suicide as the ultimate "Fuck You" to everyone around you. I think it is a selfish move and many times it is aimed at hurting someone your upset with.

 

[member2686]

"A bit foolish?!" :wtf:

Man, this thread is pissing me off with all of the ridiculous suggestions in it, people saying it takes "determination," that there's a "new world" and that killing one's self takes "courage," etc.

For fuck's sake, :wtf: has driven or led people to accept suicide as something that's acceptable?!?! :eek:

:ban:

 

[Imagine]

It pisses you off that others are of a different opinion?

 

[member2686]

It doesn't piss me off that people differ with my opinions.

Idiocy pisses me off, and advocating suicide is idiocy and is also horrible advice to give to a fellow human being who's having trouble coping with his/her life situation(s).

The advocation of suicide is akin to just shooting the person in the head yourself. It's fucking horrendous to do, IMO.

It pisses you off that others are of a different opinion?

 

[Imagine]

Right. So (again) I ask you, when did I ever advocate suicide?

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

"A bit foolish?!" :wtf:

Man, this thread is pissing me off with all of the ridiculous suggestions in it, people saying it takes "determination," that there's a "new world" and that killing one's self takes "courage," etc.

For fuck's sake, :wtf: has driven or led people to accept suicide as something that's acceptable?!?! :eek:

:ban:

Barring a few none have said SUICIDE is acceptable.

But some of them have not ridiculed them too.

A person thinking of committing suicide is a troubled man. And some of us are trying to help a troubled man. I don't think that's ridiculous too.

But each on his own opinion.

 

[Jizm]

This (below) is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever read on this board and I retract my advice to you, Jizm, because you never had any intention of actually taking it or anyone else's. You've wasted my fucking time and the time and emotions of all of us who were trying to help you.

It takes NO strength or bravery to kill yourself. It's a selfiish act made/done in desperation and usually coupled with mental illness.

Fuck this thread. Talk about attention-seeking...

Why don't you go on and be "strong and brave" then, and stop this annual nonsense...

:thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger

What the hell are you talking about? Who are you to say how I feel or what my intentions are. You don't know me.

 

[4G63]

I stayed away from this thread, but I like jizm and have this to offer.

My cousin purposely OD'ed on heroin when she was 25 and I was 11. Losing her was bad, for the whole family, my aunt has never gotten over it. But it's not the loss that really effected us it was finding the body. My mom and my aunt went to her apartment to see why she was not answering the phone. They walked in on a 3 day dead body, with a needle sticking out of her arm.

If your determined I can't stop you, but remember death does not stop at dying. Your body will bloat, the insects will come, and all the corruption you ran from will run rampant on your body. Puss will spill from your orifices, you will shit your pants and some poor person will have to deal with the stinking pile of rotting flesh and bone you've become.

Nobody can say for sure what happens to you when you die. But everything that represents you on this world will rot and spoil, becoming food for the lowest of the species. Even if you burn yourself alive there will be a pieces of you left to suffer on Earth.

Life's a gift and the end of life is a more horrible hell than any religion has conjured up. A endless procession of days, until your entire being has been absorbed back into the world. Why rush your death? You'll just increase your time of misery while you rot away.

But that's me, and I'm cynical

 

[member2686]

Jizm,

Earlier in this thread you pretty much "blew off" everyone's advice, more or less, as you did in your suicide thread from LAST YEAR. We gave you advice then and now and you seem unwilling to take it, having ASKED FOR IT, so I don't take your words terribly seriously any longer.

I spent a lot of time looking up and linking suicide prevention resources for you in last year's suicide thread that you made, and this is getting ridiculous. You didn't accept (or rather, take) people's advice last year and you're not accepting it now... Why even bother to ask us and then debate us about the issue?

Go seek professional help - don't ask for people's advice HERE and then fucking argue with them about it; it trivializes your (apparent or alleged) situation and makes it little different from "the boy who cried 'wolf.'"

I hope that you seek help and get/feel better and address the problems in your life; all of this debate here is reaching the level of frivolous, time-consuming nonsense and it's making members animous towards each other; the last thing that we need here is good members fighting with each other.

Cheers, and get well soon with professional assistance, Jizm. If you REALLY feel suicidal, go to the E.R. or call 911. If you feel a need to sort out all of your emotional/mental issues and problems, schedule an appointment with a mental health professional.

:hatsoff:

What the hell are you talking about? Who are you to say how I feel or what my intentions are. You don't know me.

 

[cabey]

Jizm,

Earlier in this thread you pretty much "blew off" everyone's advice, more or less, as you did in your suicide thread from LAST YEAR. We gave you advice then and now and you seem unwilling to take it, having ASKED FOR IT, so I don't take your words terribly seriously any longer.

I spent a lot of time looking up and linking suicide prevention resources for you in last year's suicide thread that you made, and this is getting ridiculous. You didn't accept (or rather, take) people's advice last year and you're not accepting it now... Why even bother to ask us and then debate us about the issue?

Go seek professional help - don't ask for people's advice HERE and then fucking argue with them about it; it trivializes your (apparent or alleged) situation and makes it little different from "the boy who cried 'wolf.'"

I hope that you seek help and get/feel better and address the problems in your life; all of this debate here is reaching the level of frivolous, time-consuming nonsense and it's making members animous towards each other; the last thing that we need here is good members fighting with each other.

Cheers, and get well soon with professional assistance, Jizm. If you REALLY feel suicidal, go to the E.R. or call 911. If you feel a need to sort out all of your emotional/mental issues and problems, schedule an appointment with a mental health professional.

:hatsoff:

I honestly feel that just about sums it up, dots the i's and crosse the t's....well said:2 cents: :thumbsup:

 

[lsdgeyser]

Scuicide is never a good decision, it affects a lot of people. My football coach just committed scuicide a few weeks ago.He was only 26, and he had everything going for him. There was over 2,000 people at his funeral that were all mourning. Watching his best friend give a speech at the funeral was the saddest thing I have ever seen, he had just lost his best friend who he loved very much. I'm sure that if you committed scuicide, everyone around you would be depressed, there are always better ways to solve your problems.

 

[Jizm]

Jizm,

Earlier in this thread you pretty much "blew off" everyone's advice, more or less, as you did in your suicide thread from LAST YEAR. We gave you advice then and now and you seem unwilling to take it, having ASKED FOR IT, so I don't take your words terribly seriously any longer.

I spent a lot of time looking up and linking suicide prevention resources for you in last year's suicide thread that you made, and this is getting ridiculous. You didn't accept (or rather, take) people's advice last year and you're not accepting it now... Why even bother to ask us and then debate us about the issue?

Go seek professional help - don't ask for people's advice HERE and then fucking argue with them about it; it trivializes your (apparent or alleged) situation and makes it little different from "the boy who cried 'wolf.'"

I hope that you seek help and get/feel better and address the problems in your life; all of this debate here is reaching the level of frivolous, time-consuming nonsense and it's making members animous towards each other; the last thing that we need here is good members fighting with each other.

Cheers, and get well soon with professional assistance, Jizm. If you REALLY feel suicidal, go to the E.R. or call 911. If you feel a need to sort out all of your emotional/mental issues and problems, schedule an appointment with a mental health professional.

:hatsoff:

Don't tip that hat at me. Save it. You have no idea.