Suicide

[halo68]

I learned a long time ago that dying is easy and living is hard, a girl i was engaged to when i was 21 killed herself by taking a bunch of pills she shouldnt have and in a rage slashed herself up pretty bad. I was the one who found her and she died in my arms that night waiting for the ambulance, in all honesty there was really nothing that could be done as she had been bleeding for a while. Being a single parent now and having custody of my children i realize what a gift life is and that EVERY second of the day counts for something be it good or bad and everything happens for a reason no matter what we humans think of fate or destiny. Be brave my friend, we only go around once as far as we know and we should enjoy it to the fullest. Anytime you need someone to talk to i am here for you as well.

 

[Jizm]

There is much strength and bravery in taking one's own life. Suicide is not a weak act. It requires focus on what's next, leaving whats done in the past, and moving forward - to the unknown. When you wake up in the morning, you have an idea what your going to face, but when you kill yourself, it's all unknown territory. If you knew something better was on the other side, I swear you would do it. But you don't. I don't need to hear you say it is a weak way out, and a form of giving up. Bull shit.

 

[VIPER_911]

Nice thread right here....

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1156538/

 

[Misery]

Suicide is always a sensitive subject. You say "I see no reason not to" This of course raises concern simply because your level of despair must be high. You need to try and remove yourself from negative environments and elucidate any endogenous factors that are leading to these thoughts. Whatever reasons, whether they be social, economic, familial, or purely psychological, you need to talk to someone about them and possibly treat them accordingly.

There's no shame in admitting you're having suicidal ideation. Why do you think my screen name is Misery? I have been sickly and depressed for years now, so I know how it feels. It's very difficult, but I look at all the good things in the world I love and I'm not ready to leave. When I go camping for example, I see how much beauty the world has. I also enjoy a few hobbies that keep me active and cast a positive light on my life. Even the small things like my cat make me happy.

 

[Ax3C]

There is much strength and bravery in taking one's own life. Suicide is not a weak act. It requires focus on what's next, leaving whats done in the past, and moving forward - to the unknown. When you wake up in the morning, you have an idea what your going to face, but when you kill yourself, it's all unknown territory. If you knew something better was on the other side, I swear you would do it. But you don't. I don't need to hear you say it is a weak way out, and a form of giving up. Bull shit.

Jizm -

In cultures that do not view suicide or the taking of one's own life as a ritualistic or even, perhaps, a religious or ethical enlightenment, people will view it as distasteful, needless, selfish, and yes, even weak and cowardly. This is something that you must accept just as we accept - and worry - that you are even contemplating this idea.

Please, before you do ANYTHING rash that WILL leave behind turmoil, sadness, and just a whole lot of needless shit for your family, loved ones, and friends to deal with, please seek professional assistance. There are a multitude of agencies with trained people - some who have even faced a similar situation as yours - who can help you and maybe make things a bit easier for you to cope with in life.

Killing yourself isn't the answer, man.

Trust me, two years ago I was in the this same boat, Jizm. I speak from hard, hard bitter experience. You know ME well enough to know that I don't blow smoke up people's asses nor do I candy-coat the truth. A few people who have posted in this thread know my story and know exactly of what and why I speak and they can corrobate my story if you have any doubts whatsoever.

Hear me out, okay?

It may seem like an honorable thing to do in your eyes, perhaps you think it will give you that peace you've been searching for.

It doesn't.

What it WILL bring is tragedy. The people who are left behind - your family, your loved ones and friends - will have to bear the knowledge for the rest of their lives that you committed suicide; an act that can't be turned back or erased. They'll wonder what they could have done differently for you; how they could have reached out to you just one more time; why you chose to shut them out instead of talking to them. The people who love you - and yes, despite what you may think, believe and feel presently, there are people in your life who CHERISH you beyond all compare - will blame themselves and grieve for many, many years. A great emptiness - a void, really - will be left in their lives.

Dude, there is NOTHING in this life that can't be overcome with a little bit of help from your family and friends, but also from people who not only care, but are trained to lend assistance when needed. Please reach out ...

If you're interested in hearing more about what I went through, I welcome your inquiry. Just send me a private message and I'll be happy to sit here and talk to you and help you in any way I can, man. If you need information, I can get that for you as well. Don't ever think you're alone ... because you're not. I know life can be fucked-up and full of shit. I KNOW - goddamn, do I know - how it feels to have everything come crashing down on you and suffocate you; choking off all feelings of hope and promise. I know how it feels to be a failure ... everything I ever attempted to do previously always fucked up on me - failed relationships, lousy fucking jobs, one fucking debt right after another.

Trust me, we've all been through this shit at one time or another. Some of us make it through without a scratch, while others of us have scars as reminders of our journey and our turmoil. What matters is that we made it through.

If you need to vent or you just need someone to listen, send me a p.m., man


Don't throw away the most precious gift we have:

LIFE.

 

[Misery]

There is much strength and bravery in taking one's own life. Suicide is not a weak act. It requires focus on what's next, leaving whats done in the past, and moving forward - to the unknown. When you wake up in the morning, you have an idea what your going to face, but when you kill yourself, it's all unknown territory. If you knew something better was on the other side, I swear you would do it. But you don't. I don't need to hear you say it is a weak way out, and a form of giving up. Bull shit.

I agree completely. People who say it's a weak act obviously have no clue how people are feeling when suicidal ideation dominates one's mind. Everyone has different tolerances in life, and some fear their future will never be bright again. For me, not committing suicide has been about fear of death or not completing the act. A lot of people attempt suicide and despite selecting a method you would think is "fail-safe", they end up living only in much worse condition. I have seen a few patients who ended up in a situation where they are disabled to the point they cannot physically attempt suicide again. This is just a reality.

 

[member2686]

This (below) is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever read on this board and I retract my advice to you, Jizm, because you never had any intention of actually taking it or anyone else's. You've wasted my fucking time and the time and emotions of all of us who were trying to help you.

It takes NO strength or bravery to kill yourself. It's a selfiish act made/done in desperation and usually coupled with mental illness.

Fuck this thread. Talk about attention-seeking...

Why don't you go on and be "strong and brave" then, and stop this annual nonsense...

:thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger

There is much strength and bravery in taking one's own life. Suicide is not a weak act. It requires focus on what's next, leaving whats done in the past, and moving forward - to the unknown. When you wake up in the morning, you have an idea what your going to face, but when you kill yourself, it's all unknown territory. If you knew something better was on the other side, I swear you would do it. But you don't. I don't need to hear you say it is a weak way out, and a form of giving up. Bull shit.

 

[cabey]

Its your life....but i advise against it, theres no second chances.

Attention seeking bullcrap imo, lame ass thread

 

[Imagine]

It takes NO strength or bravery to kill yourself.

I beg to differ. It's mostly thanks to cowardice that I'm alive today.

 

[Jagger69]

This (below) is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever read on this board and I retract my advice to you, Jizm, because you never had any intention of actually taking it or anyone else's. You've wasted my fucking time and the time and emotions of all of us who were trying to help you.

It takes NO strength or bravery to kill yourself. It's a selfiish act made/done in desperation and usually coupled with mental illness.

Fuck this thread. Talk about attention-seeking...

Why don't you go on and be "strong and brave" then, and stop this annual nonsense...

There is much strength and bravery in taking one's own life. Suicide is not a weak act. It requires focus on what's next, leaving whats done in the past, and moving forward - to the unknown. When you wake up in the morning, you have an idea what your going to face, but when you kill yourself, it's all unknown territory. If you knew something better was on the other side, I swear you would do it. But you don't. I don't need to hear you say it is a weak way out, and a form of giving up. Bull shit.

I vehemently disagree with you, Nightfly. Maybe you have failed to realize that perhaps Jizm is simply reacting to advice he is receiving from others. Anyone who has EVER truly (and I mean truly!) comtemplated suicide would understand where he is coming from. Is suicide selfish? Yes. Is it irresponsible? Yes. Is it cowardly? Absolutely not. Fear is unquestionably the greatest suicide deterrent there is.

And of course Jizm is seeking attention!!! Geezus....anyone who tells others he is comtemplating suicide is seeking attention. That's a big surprise to you? What do you suppose was the reason he started this thread? Just to say "adios" to all of us? He is seeking help from us....maybe not such a good idea in retrospect but his motivation nonetheless.

I guess the only way Jizm can vindicate himself in your eyes now is to go ahead and kill himself, right? Very insensitive and, frankly, surprising post by you, Nightfly.

 

[Gordar]

There is much strength and bravery in taking one's own life. Suicide is not a weak act. It requires focus on what's next, leaving whats done in the past, and moving forward - to the unknown. When you wake up in the morning, you have an idea what your going to face, but when you kill yourself, it's all unknown territory. If you knew something better was on the other side, I swear you would do it. But you don't. I don't need to hear you say it is a weak way out, and a form of giving up. Bull shit.

I'm not going to say it's cowardly, because it does take some bravery to put a weapon against your own body or to eat something lethal, knowing it's going to kill you. I, however, WILL say that it's a lack of strength.

The person commiting suicide obviously no longer has the strength to carry on with his or her life, otherwise they'd continue on living & see what comes to them in the future.

If you knew something better was on the other side, I swear you would do it.

If you believe something better is on the other side, you'll probably also believe that something worse is on the other side. In most cultures & religions people who commit suicide end up in the worse place, not in the better place, so that's certainly NOT a good reason to commit suicide.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

To face death and say 'come on' is not an act of cowardice. Self-inflicted deathis a matter of determination.

But it takes a braver man to face the life at its lowest tide and say, "Come on, beat me if you can."

 

[Imagine]

Fear is what keeps us alive, bravery is what gets us killed. I can only conclude that anyone who claims that knowingly ending your own life does not take guts has never held that bottle of pills in their hand or stood at the edge by the tracks and watching the train approach. Let me tell you, right here and now, it is not bravery that makes you survive. What saves your life is that chilling, mind-numbing sense of utter dread that I can only pray I will never again have to experience. Suicide is selfish and perhaps not the most thought-out idea, but cowardly? Not a chance.

 

[Peter Gazinya]

After 9/11 the terrorist attack was labelled as "an act of cowardice" but then there was a pretty good debate on whether or not the 19 morons who carried out the attacks were cowards or not. Some said it took tremendous intestinal fortitude and personal dedication to train for, make extensive plans, and come to peace with themselves about what they were about to do.

Yeah, whatever, the fact remains that both activities (suicide and terrorism) completely suck and one can find better ways to spend their time. Cowardice is rather irrelevant at this point.

 

[member2686]

Cowardice and lack of determination are what drive people to suicide - there's ample (and free) medical and mental assistance, and medicine as well, available that will help prevent such a cowardly, selfish, ignorant, and ill-guided act.

I'm sorry to disagree with some of the MORONIC opinions written to the contrary of mine in this thread, but unless you've ever tried it and survived (I have, in my ignorant, selfish, misguided, self-absorbed, youthful folly) and had a loved one try it and succeed or die, your opinion means NOTHING to me and carries NO merit or weight. :thefinger Have you ever seen a person, for example, with her head spattered against the wall, having used Daddy's gun, who killed herself over a breakup with a boyfriend? Fucking senseless. Guns. They enable death. That's their purpose. They should be outlawed except for military purposes in defense, but that's another discussion...

This thread, as with last year's thread by the same person, seems to be nothing more than an attention-seeking load of BULLSHIT by someone who doesn't have the instinct of self-preservation to call a doctor or to go to the emergency room to get help for his alleged suicidal tendencies - nor does he seem to give two shits about our advice, then or NOW.

Some of the opinions here are absolute crap, IMO, and it bothers me that ANYONE would say that killing one's self is somehow an exhibition of personal fortitude.

:2 cents: and :thefinger to the suicide advocates.

 

[Imagine]

...but unless you've ever tried it and survived and had a loved one try it and succeed or die, your opinion means NOTHING to me and carries NO merit or weight.

And what if, for the sake of argument, I have?

 

[Ax3C]

Cowardice and lack of determination are what drive people to suicide - there's ample (and free) medical and mental assistance, and medicine as well, available that will help prevent such a cowardly, selfish, ignorant, and ill-guided act.

I'm sorry to disagree with some of the MORONIC opinions written to the contrary of mine in this thread, but unless you've ever tried it and survived (I have, in my ignorant, selfish, misguided, self-absorbed, youthful folly) and had a loved one try it and succeed or die, your opinion means NOTHING to me and carries NO merit or weight. :thefinger Have you ever seen a person, for example, with her head spattered against the wall, having used Daddy's gun, who killed herself over a breakup with a boyfriend? Fucking senseless. Guns. They enable death. That's their purpose. They should be outlawed except for military purposes in defense, but that's another discussion...

This thread, as with last year's thread by the same person, seems to be nothing more than an attention-seeking load of BULLSHIT by someone who doesn't have the instinct of self-preservation to call a doctor or to go to the emergency room to get help for his alleged suicidal tendencies.

Some of the opinions here are absolute crap, IMO, and it bothers me that ANYONE would say that killing one's self is somehow an exhibiton of personal fortitude.

:2 cents: and :thefinger to the suicide advocates.

OOH-RAH.​

I couldn't have said it any better - or more succintly / eloquently - myself.

:bowdown: :hatsoff:

 

[Ax3C]

And what if, for the sake of argument, I have?

And? Your point???

I have. Several times. I'm still here, though ... and I'm LOVING it.

As much as I wanted to die way back when, I didn't do it. I didn't wanna leave behind fucking horrible memories and nightmares for my family, loved ones, and friends to have to contend with, deal with, come to fucking terms with, and fucking remember. I had friends who fucking loved me ... even though back then I felt nobody fucking cared about me or wanted to help me.

But they DID, Imagine.

Yeah ... fucking imagine staring down the barrel of a .38 Special revolver loaded with fucking cop killers. Or close your eyes and fucking imagine holding a handful of fucking prescription pills in one goddamned motherfucking hand and a glass of fucking water in the other ... fucking thirty seconds away from doing the deed, buddy.

Oh yeah, fucking imagine being in your car, sobbing uncontrollably as you fucking press the gas pedal further and further down to the floor, wanting - fucking WILLING - your life to end.

Until then, you people who are sitting here typing this fucking idiotic bullshit about how grand and wonderful and admirable it is to contemplate suicide can kiss my ***. You know NOTHING.

I'm done ... 'nuff fucking said.

 

[Imagine]

Really? And have you ever wondered why you didn't swallow those pills, pulled that trigger, made that fatal turn and actually end it? I know why I didn't, and it was not bravery.

I'm not glorifying suicide. I'm correcting a misunderstanding; that fear is the cause. The sole purpose of fear is to keep us alive, and that is exactly what it does.

Edit: I didn't phrase that very well.

 

[Ax3C]

I know the very reason why I didn't, Imagine.

It had nothing to do with cowardice or bravery ... maybe in your case it did.

In MY case, it was the realization that I was ill and that I needed professional help before I DID commit suicide.

It was the fact that I had some very dear, very wonderful friends who rescued me, who saved my life. It was because I hit rock fucking bottom. It was because I sought help. It was because I fell to my knees and I fucking BEGGED for a release from all the pain, hell, and fucking torture I had been put through.

It was because I knew that something was wrong with me inside ... and it wasn't something that could be cured with a fucking bullet.

Fuck that ... I made a choice to fucking LIVE. As much as I wanted tio fucking DIE, Imagine ... I chose to live. And that, my friend, has nothing to do with cowardice OR bravery.

Remind me sometimes to share my story with you, Imagine. It'll send you fucking running and screaming into the hills, bud.

Trust me.

So tell me, Imagine, have YOU ever wailed long into the night, clutching a pillow to your chest, rocking back and forth on the fucking ground as the demons came out to play in your mind??? Have you ever fucking sobbed uncontrollaby because you had lost every fucking thing in your life??? Have you ever fucking sat there in the goddamned fucking dark, surrounded by your worst fears and felt like there was absolutely no fucking hope and no fucking redemption or rescue and that the only escape was to fucking end it in the quickest way possible???

Have you ever stared down death ... and become its friend and lover?? Have you???

Have you ever sat there, surrounded by all that goddamned unfathomable pain and anguish and torment, rocking and wailing, and clutching yourself as your mind fucking pounded home that there was no escape, no hope, no fucking future???

Have you ever lost all that you ever owned, accomplished, loved, and cared for??? Have you ever watched your Mother die a slow, excrutiatingly painful death as a result of a hideous, insidious disease called cancer??? Have you ever fucking held your father as gouts of bright red blood poured out of every single fucking orifice of his body due to a massive fucking coronary that exploded his heart??? Have you ever lost SIX - count 'em - SIX fucking relatives besides your mother and father within five years???

So tell me, Imagine .... tell me how it is. I'd really like to fucking know.