Subway Have Removed Ham and Bacon From Their Menus to Appease Muslims!

[SabrinaDeep]

I better start buying a burka as long as prices are low.
We're getting rotten. We're almost there. Allahu Akbar!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...res-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html

http://www.britainfirst.org/boycott-subway/

 

[larss]

It is not all Subway stores in the UK around 200 (our of 1500 outlets) - these are all in predominantly Muslim areas and are all identified

customers can identify those stores selling halal food by the special 'All meats are Halal' sign, which must be displayed in participating branches.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

It is not all Subway stores in the UK around 200 (our of 1500 outlets) - these are all in predominantly Muslim areas and are all identified

And so? What about the British living in those areas? They shall start cutting pork off their diet? Because today is Subway, tomorrow [NOBABE]the butcher[/NOBABE], the day after is gonna be Tesco. I though we were talking about Great Britain, not about Saudi Arabia.

 

[BCT]

Good Subway sucks anyway, and that bacon they use looks raw as fuck.

 

[FreeThugz]

I would love to see an Islamic country change there food ingredients to suit someone else's beliefs, I somehow cannot see that happening though

 

[Will E Worm]

Subway Have Removed Ham and Bacon From Their Menus to Appease Muslims!

Is it time to boycott Subway to appease people with common sense?

 

[xfire]

Privately owned businesses can do whatever they want in their establishments, it's not like the British government mandated these changes, and it's only in a small percentage of stores that the changes have been made, in areas that are predominately Muslim. I'm not a big fan of Subway anymore and don't eat there anyway, but if you don't like their policies let them know it by not buying their products.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Privately owned businesses can do whatever they want in their establishments, it's not like the British government mandated these changes, and it's only in a small percentage of stores that the changes have been made, in areas that are predominately Muslim. I'm not a big fan of Subway anymore and don't eat there anyway, but if you don't like their policies let them know it by not buying their products.

I'm sorry xfire, but this not just a private company affair. When a private company releases an official statement declaring to have banned a certain product due to the pressure of the muslim community it becomes a government affair. Do you want me to give you evidence? Imagine Subway, the same private company, banning muslim-friendly food due to pressures of the Christian community and let me know if the government wouldn't like to have their say.

When you start touching such a primal cultural thing like food, there is no return. Good luck dressing like muslims, eating like muslims, thinking like muslims.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

There's kosher Subways too.

 

[xfire]

I'm sorry xfire, but this not just a private company affair. When a private company releases an official statement declaring to have banned a certain product due to the pressure of the muslim community it becomes a government affair. Do you want me to give you evidence? Imagine Subway, the same private company, banning muslim-friendly food due to pressures of the Christian community and let me know if the government wouldn't like to have their say.

When you start touching such a primal cultural thing like food, there is no return. Good luck dressing like muslims, eating like muslims, thinking like muslims.

But they didn't ban the items, they merely removed them from select locations. I'm fairly confident, at least in the U.S., that the government would stay out of it, sure, some politicians might mumble and grumble, but you wouldn't see any legislation as a result. And naw, no thanks, I won't be dressing like, eating like, or thinking like any particular religious sect, the First Amendment is still a viable and robust basic American right.

 

[Harley Spencer]

I would love to see an Islamic country change there food ingredients to suit someone else's beliefs, I somehow cannot see that happening though

This is a really good point, I never even really thought of that. It seems that countries that are dominated by a certain specific religion would be much less likely to bend their ways in order to appease another culture. If I went to certain middle eastern countries traipsing around in a bikini, or even short shorts and a tank top, I'd likely get killed. Or going to a Muslim restaurant and wanting a bacon cheeseburger, I highly doubt they'd go out of their way to get it for me, and would scoff at the idea of starting a restaurant with such menu items, unless of course it was started by someone who happened to not be Muslim. I can only imagine how that would play out.

 

[Rey C.]

It really is just a business decision made by a corporation in order to address customer demand = higher sales and profits.

According to one of the linked articles in the OP:
Halal-only menu is in response to 'strong demand' from Muslim customers

And according to the same article, we're talking about 185 of 1500 outlets in the UK - roughly 10%.

To me, it would be over-stepping its bounds if a government told a corporation that it could not do this. I believe the free market should decide in this case... and in most cases. If people don't like Subway's decision, they're free not to eat there. At least in the U.S. (probably elsewhere too), it's against the law to represent something as Kosher if it is in fact not. And more than a few chains in the U.S. do have Kosher items on their menus. Whether Halal or Kosher, I don't see a difference. :dunno:

 

[rivasky]

What about the British living in those areas?

lol - you're saying that Brits can't be Muslim. If that's not racism, I don't know what is.

 

[Petra]

It really is just a business decision made by a corporation in order to address customer demand = higher sales and profits.

According to one of the linked articles in the OP:
Halal-only menu is in response to 'strong demand' from Muslim customers

And according to the same article, we're talking about 185 of 1500 outlets in the UK - roughly 10%.

To me, it would be over-stepping its bounds if a government told a corporation that it could not do this. I believe the free market should decide in this case... and in most cases. If people don't like Subway's decision, they're free not to eat there. At least in the U.S. (probably elsewhere too), it's against the law to represent something as Kosher if it is in fact not. And more than a few chains in the U.S. do have Kosher items on their menus. Whether Halal or Kosher, I don't see a difference. :dunno:

This is EXACTLY it.

From a pure marketing standpoint, this just makes business sense. If you've been to any McDonalds, Burger King, or Kentucky Fried Chicken (even Pizza Hut) anywhere else in the world you'll notice menu items from your area may not be on the menu and you'll end up having some pretty weird shit in its place.

For example, here in the Netherlads, there is a McKroket and a Satay burger. Both are gross as fuck, but both the kroket and satay are a dutch junk food. It's part of their culture. Nothing to say it's right or wrong, but it wouldn't be dutch without it. In germany I've actually seen a Schnitzel burger. Not as weird to me since it's like chicken fried steak sandwiches I made as a kid out of left overs. But, it's German. Nothing wrong about it.

Hell, even in my grocery store in my neighborhood we have a lot of Halal items because guess what? We have a huge Muslim community here. In more of the center there's a bigger indonesian community and you notice a lot more foods geared towards them. It's just business. Nothing to be offended about. Oh, and on passover, our local grocery store reduces wheat products and heavily promotes things like matza crackers and other kosher food. Again, we apparently have enough in our community to quantify this as a business decision. Nothing to get pissed over.

Oh, and as for halal butchers....I don't know about the UK or the rest of the world, but halal butchers in the Netherlands often have better quality lamb and at better prices than dutch butchers. Oh, and they'll cut it however I want them to instead of giving me the blank face and "sorry, we can't do it" that I get from dutch butchers. At least they get the whole customer service thing, even from an obvious non-muslim.

In the end, when your customer base starts to change, you need to offer what they want or risk going out of business. In this case, it just happens to be to a highly controversial group of people. If it was because of a large group of gluten intolerant people, nobody would say a word.

 

[Mr. Hyde]

This would never happen in the US. Bacon is practically our national food.

 

[Mr_Stiffy]

This broke months ago over here, and I gave serious thought to un-friending some people on Facebook for some of their xenophobic reactions to this story, mostly because none of them will be affected by it either way. Personally I don't give a flying fuck - I eat at Subway, I eat bacon, I never eat bacon at Subway.

If you get up in arms about the method of dispatching the animal, as a meat-eater, then you're either living in blind ignorance of some of the conditions that plenty of the animals have to endure before your non-Halal meat arrives at your dinner table, or you're simply picking and choosing your battles because this particular issue inflames your anti-Islam agenda. OH NO, your favourite Subway no longer does "proper bacon." There's another one ten fucking doors down.

I would love to see an Islamic country change there food ingredients to suit someone else's beliefs, I somehow cannot see that happening though

Speaking for Britain, this is largely irrelvant. As a nation I doubt we truly identify with any given religion anyway. We have an increasing population of Brits born to immigrants who follow the religions of their forebears, usually not Christianity, and most of my British friends of mostly British familial background would honestly identify themselves as either agnostic or atheist anyway. It's hard to argue the toss about whether anything like this affects our "national" religious values when we are a complete patchwork quilt in terms of beliefs.

When a private company releases an official statement declaring to have banned a certain product due to the pressure of the muslim community it becomes a government affair.

It's not *pressure* it's demand, as in supply & demand. It's a calculated risk that they will gain more custom adding the Halal meat than they will lose from scrapping the existing options. Nobody's writing to their MP or organizing a street march to get the bacon changed in Subway.

It really is just a business decision made by a corporation in order to address customer demand = higher sales and profits.

Boom.

lol - you're saying that Brits can't be Muslim. If that's not racism, I don't know what is.

Increasing numbers of Brits are born into Muslim families every day. As already noted, cater for the demands of your local customer base, or lose them.

Speaking for the British, I don't know any fucker that would go to Subway if they wanted a bacon sandwich when every decent high street has at least one greasy spoon cafe that will do you a better one, and anybody that was getting their bacon fix from Subway will just shrug and start going to Maccies instead. Unless they're a xenophobe and just fancy a pop at Muslims.

Don't care about ham. Carry on.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

lol - you're saying that Brits can't be Muslim. If that's not racism, I don't know what is.

LOL you are either a troll or thick. Bring that quote back into the post which was an answer to another post which was an answer to my post and if you understand the context then you know that you are just a troll and not thick.
And by the way, racism has nothing to do with religion (so, even if i meant that Brits can't be Muslim - and i didn't - what the heck it has to do with racism?) and no, i do not like that religion, i am Christian: do you have a problem with that?

 

[SabrinaDeep]

It's not *pressure* it's demand, as in supply & demand. It's a calculated risk that they will gain more custom adding the Halal meat than they will lose from scrapping the existing options. Nobody's writing to their MP or organizing a street march to get the bacon changed in Subway.

"The chain, which has around 1,500 outlets across the UK, explained its decision by saying it had to balance animal welfare concerns with 'the views of religious communities'"

Sounds like pressure to me. It's once again a dangerous precedent which will impose their habits culture and beliefs little by little in every sector of society. It's their public mission, there is nothing secret about it. Being happiness a very personal thing, in this life, i'm not happy about it. In fact i'm scared.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

I'm of the opinion that from this point on, all Subway sammiches should include pork. Fuck 'em.

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[SabrinaDeep]

Hell, even in my grocery store in my neighborhood we have a lot of Halal items because guess what? We have a huge Muslim community here.

I'm fine with that. But can you still buy pork too at your grocery store? My understanding is yes. Subway has cut pork off completely from those shops, they didn't just introduce Halal products. I cannot believe that this is business: business would let you have both things in order to satisfy both kind of customers. But if you cut the pork off it is because you were told: either we or the pork and bare in mind that we are many. I don't know...that's the way i look at it. I'm a simple girl after all.