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Strong, Independent Women: Fact vs. Fiction

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I'll confess that I didn't watch the video (10 minutes is too long....sorry), but....dude....your obsession with feminism borders on....well, obsession. We get it. You don't like uppity women. Did some dykish chick forcibly butt-fuck you with a strap-on or something at some point in your life? Let it go man. Don't let women bother you this much is my advice....you can't change them and at the end of the day....what difference does it really make in your everyday life? Believe me, being married to one for 38 years makes one totally desensitized to such things.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
I do not require video footage or articles for me to articulate MY point of view on strong, independent women.

I LOVE any person to be strong and independent, and in my experience, people who need weak opposition to be weak are weak themselves.

This leads us to another point: If women are your opposition, you are doing something wrong. Men and women are NOT enemies or forces working agains each other.

The whole point of feminism is that it was and still is necessary for women (and men) to equal out the situation and opportunities that people have, regarding their birth gender, amongst other issues. Until men AND women are having the same opportunities and the same pay etc., there is need for feminism. When we are equal, the need will vanish by itself.
 
Supa, your post needs to be read over and over by a few people who are regulars on this forum. They see feminism as an adversary rather than an ally. Strong women threaten many men and for good reason. If a woman challenges you it makes YOU better. If a woman adheres to your way of thinking, that just makes you weak.

Even if I disagree with someone, I admire strength and individuality. If they are strong and loud yet conforming to popular thinking or being a sheep, they are wasting a very valid quality.
 
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The whole point of feminism is that it was and still is necessary for women (and men) to equal out the situation and opportunities that people have, regarding their birth gender, amongst other issues. Until men AND women are having the same opportunities and the same pay etc., there is need for feminism. When we are equal, the need will vanish by itself.]

feminism was and is not about equality. it is already illegal to discriminate based on sex and pay women less for the same job. the gender pay gap is a myth and if you watch the news regularly young women are on average are paid more than their male counterparts
 
I wasn't going to say anything but guys it's like 2015 not the 60s. In my opinion women are free to do what they want. I dont think it's so deep that it needs to be talked on every forum.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
It's sad that, even in 2015, our society still has an issue with strong, independent women.

It's pathetic that it's even a conversation when a woman does something that is seen as 'strong' or 'independent.' Who cares? It's not like a woman who can manage to take care of herself is a rarity, yet we (as a society) still treat them like magical unicorns. They're women, not mindless circus creatures who exist purely for our entertainment.

Every little female accomplishment is praised now-a-days and talked about like it's some sort of huge step in the feminist movement. A single mother raised two children on her own, all while managing to hold down a job AND take care of her kids? So fucking what? That's what she is SUPPOSED to do. A woman worked hard throughout her career and ended up becoming CEO of a profitable company? Good for her. No need to make it national news. A woman trains at the gym and has the physical capability to defend herself against a would-be attacker? Big fucking deal. Nobody cares. A woman washed her own car, a woman learned how to program her DVD player, a woman successfully made toast, a woman dressed herself today, OH MY GOD WHO CARES? Nobody is impressed. Nobody gives a shit.

It's nice when a women does something successful. However, I don't think the fact that she is a woman makes anything she does any more spectacular.

We're all people. No big deal.
 
I have a major issue wit a strong independent women ( by that I mean the title)

The strongest women I knew never had a conversation about it. Just like the richest man I ever met didn't talk about money. i dont like titles, watching a movie with a strong female lead is just that a movie. I try to respect all people for what they are people. I think as a society we rely to heavily on titles.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Titles, labels, same thing and yeah, they're both widely and wildly misused and brandished as weapons by people pushing a competing agenda. Jagger and Supa both make cogent points, and I've repeatedly said that Radical Feminism doesn't deserve and isn't rightly representative of the Feminist movement as a whole and the people trying so desperately to equivocate the two are trying to discredit the entire movement and have an ulterior agenda.
 
repeating the claim that the radicals are not representative of the feminist movement does not help feminism. the radicals are the ones that set the narrative, write for newspapers and media outlets like the huffington post, the guardian, etc teach in women's studies departments at colleges and universities, write textbooks like the popular feminist frontiers which are filled with anti-male sentiments.


http://theothermccain.com/2015/04/2...complex-academia-and-the-means-of-production/
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
It's not a "claim", it's a fact and that you dodge another point, namely that you have a competing and ulterior agenda really just reaffirms that you do. Some radical feminists try to set the narrative, some write for newspapers and media outlets, some teach in women's studies departments at colleges and universities, and some write textbooks filled with anti-male sentiments, but they're not the majority and making such a bogus claim, again, just reaffirms that you are obsessed with women and see them as your enemy.
 
They see feminism as an adversary rather than an ally.



They see feminism as an adversary rather than an ally.



They see feminism as an adversary rather than an ally.



They see feminism as an adversary rather than an ally.



They see feminism as an adversary rather than an ally.




repeating the claim that the radicals are not representative of the feminist movement does not help feminism. the radicals are the ones that set the narrative, write for newspapers and media outlets like the huffington post, the guardian, etc teach in women's studies departments at colleges and universities, write textbooks like the popular feminist frontiers which are filled with anti-male sentiments.

Spot on. Like I said in a previous thread, I would love it if women like Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia took over for what feminism is supposed to be. But despite their efforts, it's the radicals that are continually getting there message and goals across, and the rational feminists and other women that are logical enough to acknowledge their actions as hostile aren't doing much to stop them.
 
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"Feminism is the radical notion that woman are also human beings and they must be treated equally"


(assari)
 
It's not a "claim", it's a fact and that you dodge another point, namely that you have a competing and ulterior agenda really just reaffirms that you do. Some radical feminists try to set the narrative, some write for newspapers and media outlets, some teach in women's studies departments at colleges and universities, and some write textbooks filled with anti-male sentiments, but they're not the majority and making such a bogus claim, again, just reaffirms that you are obsessed with women and see them as your enemy.

show me a post on freeones where i said women are the enemy? feminism and woman are not synonymous. most women don't identify as feminists.


majority or not they are the leaders. the radicals run women's studies departments in colleges and universities they edit and write textbooks used in women's studies programs. an average feminist is less attractive and more masculine than the average woman who don't identify as feminists

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4158978/
The feminist movement purports to improve conditions for women, and yet only a minority of women in modern societies self-identify as feminists. This is known as the feminist paradox. It has been suggested that feminists exhibit both physiological and psychological characteristics associated with heightened masculinization, which may predispose women for heightened competitiveness, sex-atypical behaviors, and belief in the interchangeability of sex roles.


does feminism makes women ugly

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/26/does-feminism-make-women-ugly/



GOP women are more feminine and attractive that democrat women

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/the-gop-has-a-feminine-face-finds-238867
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Most women don't identify as feminist because of the bastardization of the term by people like you, ask those same women if they would be willing to give back the gains made by non-radical feminists and they would say no, thus enjoying the fruits but not wanting to put the effort into planting, cultivating, nurturing and gathering said fruits because people with a counter-agenda are tainting the feminist movement with labels they're misusing and brandishing as weapons. I said in another thread that the radicals deserve to be criticized, scrutinized, and called out for their bullshit because they don't want equality, they want domination and that's not ok.
 
Most women don't identify as feminist because of the bastardization of the term by people like you, ask those same women if they would be willing to give back the gains made by non-radical feminists and they would say no, thus enjoying the fruits but not wanting to put the effort into planting, cultivating, nurturing and gathering said fruits because people with a counter-agenda are tainting the feminist movement with labels they're misusing and brandishing as weapons. I said in another thread that the radicals deserve to be criticized, scrutinized, and called out for their bullshit because they don't want equality, they want domination and that's not ok.

no it's not the basterdization is actions like these. they watch the news and read online and print media and see stories like these again quit equating feminism with women.


http://durkin62.tumblr.com/post/87242261442/but-what-the-fuck-is-a-radical-feminist-if-woman


Feminists threaten to kill woman for saying men need abuse shelters.

Feminists prevent a meeting about male suicide.

Feminists stage mock murders to scare men.

Feminist attacks male cartoonist and is hailed a hero of feminism.

Feminists shut down forum for battered husbands.

Propaganda campaign against male fathers wanting custody.

Feminists wish to slander accused names before convicted.

Try to shut down female prisons.

Create rape laws that exclude female rapists.

Make it impossible to charge women with rape.

Feminists against equal custody.

Female felons should serve home sentences.

Told judges to be lenient on women.

Feminists cover up female domestic violence.

Feminists don’t want the gov to help unemployed men.

Feminists launch campaigns to help girls only while boys are doing worse in every facet of education.

Males who were raped as a child still have to pay child support.

Women should have the right to put a child up for adoption before the father gets custody.

Feminists against beyond reasonable doubt when it’s male rapists.

5 rights feminism ignores for men.

Feminists blame males for their abuse.

The primary aggressor clause where only men get charged with abuse.

Shame men into going to war.

Feminists dismiss female child rapists.

Feminists say men can’t talk about domestic abuse.

Feminists mock a man who has his dick cut off.

Strawmanning MRA members.

feminists attack church.

Feminists transphobia

Feminists slander the MRM

Again,

And again,

Call them terrorists.

Feminists say Men can’t be raped.

Feminists defend female raping minor.

Feminist defends why fucking an 8 year old boy isn’t rape.

Feminists primary aggressor clause discriminates against males.

Feminists cover up female domestic abuse stats.

Woman smashing bottle in mans face in public. Nobody gives a fuck.

Jezebel mocks men who are abused.

Feminists make sure the gov doesn’t spend money on male shelters or male research.

Female on male abuse in public is at best ignored, and at worst celebrated.

Public stops a man from abusing a woman in public, same crowd laughs when the roles are reversed.

No funding for male shelter.

Founder of Canadas only male shelter for abuse forced to close due to lack of funding before committing suicide.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
All that shit comes from radical feminists, there really is no need to lump all feminists together unless you're pushing an agenda that's anti-women and it's obvious that you are. Carry on with your propaganda campaign, I'm sure you'll win a few converts that are sorely lacking in critical thinking skills.
 
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