Store video catches Cop Bullying Woman

girk1

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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/51196597.html

Agnes Lawless was rear ended by a driver(who left the scene of the accident) then smacked around(struck with a hand & pistol & had a weapon pointed at her face) by the Drivers father(a cop) in a convenience store minutes later.


Her claims were dismissed until the store surveillance film finally emerges & proved her claims 11 months after the fact.

Why isn't Facial King on top of this outrageous story?:rolleyes:
 
I'm not the only one who can post such stories.
 
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/51196597.html

Agnes Lawless was rear ended by a driver(who left the scene of the accident) then smacked around(struck with a hand & pistol & had a weapon pointed at her face) by the Drivers father(a cop) in a convenience store minutes later.


Her claims were dismissed until the store surveillance film finally emerges & proved her claims 11 months after the fact.

Why isn't Facial King on top of this outrageous story?:rolleyes:

Facial must be vacationing.:dunno:



"The District Attorney's Office reviewed the case and declined to prosecute Officer Lopez in December. Eight days later, he was reissued his weapon and returned to full duty.

But he may yet face discipline from the Police Department."



He assaults her with his gun out after his son hits and runs her and then him and his friends on the force try to get rid of the tape that showed she was telling the truth and he not only isn't prosecuted but apparently will not be fired just "may yet face discipline".That sends a real message that the public should like.As in don't let a cops kid hit ya!!! Talk about power corrupts,give them a badge and gun and let em loose.:eek:
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Was he a police officer? Yes.
Was he also an enraged father of a child that had been in an accident? Yes, and let's not forget that.

It was just a minor fender bender according to the article, but do you really think the son explained it to his cop father like that? No, probably not. He probably told the story like "Some fuckin' bitch hit my car, Dad!!!" Then, being an angry FATHER (not an angry cop), he then found the girl who was involved in the accident and obviously handled the situation quite poorly.

But, let's not allow this to be a case of "COPS ARE DICKS" because it should clearly be a case of "SOME DADS ARE DICKS".
 
Was he a police officer? Yes.
Was he also an enraged father of a child that had been in an accident? Yes, and let's not forget that.

It was just a minor fender bender according to the article, but do you really think the son explained it to his cop father like that? No, probably not. He probably told the story like "Some fuckin' bitch hit my car, Dad!!!" Then, being an angry FATHER (not an angry cop), he then found the girl who was involved in the accident and obviously handled the situation quite poorly.

But, let's not allow this to be a case of "COPS ARE DICKS" because it should clearly be a case of "SOME DADS ARE DICKS".

Yes, but not all fathers have the power to try to get the tapes taken away to cover themselves. Nor could he have pointed a gun at someone in a store and face very little repercussions because of it. Of course this is an angry father issue, but the police part of the story and the abuse of power as a policeman comes through stronger.
 

girk1

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Facial must be vacationing.:dunno:



"The District Attorney's Office reviewed the case and declined to prosecute Officer Lopez in December. Eight days later, he was reissued his weapon and returned to full duty.

But he may yet face discipline from the Police Department."



He assaults her with his gun out after his son hits and runs her and then him and his friends on the force try to get rid of the tape that showed she was telling the truth and he not only isn't prosecuted but apparently will not be fired just "may yet face discipline".That sends a real message that the public should like.As in don't let a cops kid hit ya!!! Talk about power corrupts,give them a badge and gun and let em loose.:eek:

A nice settlement from the city should be in order for Lawless.

Not only should the cop never be allowed on the streets with a weapon again I feel he should be charged criminally.

I surely hope "may yet face discipline" is code for 'we're gonna fire his rogue ass once we get around this damn Police Union'.:dunno:

I hope they don't victimize Lawless( & Philly citizens) for a third time by allowing this guy back out on the streets.

Hopefully video surveillance/camera phones & other recording devices will control/end this abhorrent Police behavior in the future.
Shocking/sad that some people still believe a cops word is the gospel.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Yes, but not all fathers have the power to try to get the tapes taken away to cover themselves. Nor could he have pointed a gun at someone in a store and face very little repercussions because of it. Of course this is an angry father issue, but the police part of the story and the abuse of power as a policeman comes through stronger.

Let me ask you a question...

If the police officer's son wasn't involved in the accident with this girl and it was a complete stranger that was in the collision with her instead, do you think he would've handled the situation in the same way?

Chances are, it wouldn't have even been close. I believe that he acted out of fatherly outrage and not power hungry ego. Now, he was on duty, which does make this a matter of police misconduct, but you can't tell me that he wasn't acting as an outraged father.
 
Let me ask you a question...

If the police officer's son wasn't involved in the accident with this girl and it was a complete stranger that was in the collision with her instead, do you think he would've handled the situation in the same way?

Chances are, it wouldn't have even been close. I believe that he acted out of fatherly outrage and not power hungry ego. Now, he was on duty, which does make this a matter of police misconduct, but you can't tell me that he wasn't acting as an outraged father.

You can't speculate what could have happened because you don't know. This guy might be a complete hot head who abuses his power whenever he's on duty. But I don't know that and nor do you. What we can look at is how he acted at the time. Yes of course he was angry, but is that a way to act in any situation let alone as a police officer. But he used his power as a police officer to over power a 20 year old girl and her friends. This time I'll do the speculating, if he was not a cop and he had acted in this way and didn't have a gun. Do you think the two guys there who look bigger than the him wouldn't have fought back against an on coming attacker? We don't know, but what we do know is that as a cop he has a lot more power over the citizen around him.

Even if it was out of fatherly rage he abused his power as a police officer by using that authority given to him and then he tried to use that power once again to cover it up. It's an abuse of police power and that cannot be gotten away from.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
You can't speculate what could have happened because you don't know. This guy might be a complete hot head who abuses his power whenever he's on duty. But I don't know that and nor do you. What we can look at is how he acted at the time. Yes of course he was angry, but is that a way to act in any situation let alone as a police officer. But he used his power as a police officer to over power a 20 year old girl and her friends. This time I'll do the speculating, if he was not a cop and he had acted in this way and didn't have a gun. Do you think the two guys there who look bigger than the him wouldn't have fought back against an on coming attacker? We don't know, but what we do know is that as a cop he has a lot more power over the citizen around him.

Even if it was out of fatherly rage he abused his power as a police officer by using that authority given to him and then he tried to use that power once again to cover it up. It's an abuse of police power and that cannot be gotten away from.

If he wasn't a police officer, I'd imagine that the two guys that were there would've stepped in. Well, unless he still had a gun. Then, maybe not.

I'm not saying that this guy didn't act in an unprofessional manner or that he didn't take advantage of his uniform, I'm just saying that people are going to overlook the fact that he wasn't just some cop being an asshole for no reason - he was an outraged father (who was obviously out of line) that acted out in an unreasonable manner.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...if this man's profession wasn't that of a police officer, nobody would even know what he did for a living. If he was a doctor or a truck driver, people would be looking at him as a pissed off dad, but since he's a police officer, people are going to look at him as yet another asshole cop.

:2 cents:
 
If he wasn't a police officer, I'd imagine that the two guys that were there would've stepped in. Well, unless he still had a gun. Then, maybe not.

I'm not saying that this guy didn't act in an unprofessional manner or that he didn't take advantage of his uniform, I'm just saying that people are going to overlook the fact that he wasn't just some cop being an asshole for no reason - he was an outraged father (who was obviously out of line) that acted out in an unreasonable manner.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...if this man's profession wasn't that of a police officer, nobody would even know what he did for a living. If he was a doctor or a truck driver, people would be looking at him as a pissed off dad, but since he's a police officer, people are going to look at him as yet another asshole cop.

:2 cents:

Chef read the full story please the 2 guys did step in.The son also assaulted her and a friend of hers and the store owner stepped in.Also then the cop and other cops tried to get the store tape of the incident erased and told the clerk "do yourself a favor,erase the tape,testify for the cop".They all should be fired immediately and prosecuted as well.
 
Let me ask you a question...

If the police officer's son wasn't involved in the accident with this girl and it was a complete stranger that was in the collision with her instead, do you think he would've handled the situation in the same way?

Chances are, it wouldn't have even been close. I believe that he acted out of fatherly outrage and not power hungry ego. Now, he was on duty, which does make this a matter of police misconduct, but you can't tell me that he wasn't acting as an outraged father.

I don't know about you but if I, as a non-officer of the law, got angry at somebody, beat them, pointed a gun at them when they did nothing wrong, lied about it, and tried to cover it up I very much doubt I wouldn't have the book thrown at me. Not to mention you can't separate somebody based on the circumstances. He can't be a cop one second and a father the next. He's always a cop.


What I would like to know is why if some normal person does something that's wrong people are almost always apt to highly condemn that person, but if an officer of the law does something wrong, which is even worse given their sworn duty, why are so many people out there, including the government, politician, and the legal system willing to go completely out of their way, no matter how inexcusable something is, no matter how illogical their way of thinking is, no matter how weak their argument is, no matter the evidence against that person to give the officer every single last iota of the benefit of the doubt no matter how ridiculous it should seem to a normal rational person? Often evidence that shows blatant wrongdoing isn't enough.

What also needs to be keep in mind is that for every moment where the cops slip up and there is video evidence that shows stuff like this there are probably hundreds or even thousands of cases that never get brought out or people just don't it believe because they automatically assume the other person is lying. The way it's going I'm getting more apt to not believe the police. I'm far from the only one, and they have nobody to blame for it but themselves and their own corruption.

Cops should not only be held accountable for their conduct but given their duty and the position of power they hold their punishment for wrongdoing should be rightfully much MUCH harsher than a normal citizens.
 
If he wasn't a police officer, I'd imagine that the two guys that were there would've stepped in. Well, unless he still had a gun. Then, maybe not.

I'm not saying that this guy didn't act in an unprofessional manner or that he didn't take advantage of his uniform, I'm just saying that people are going to overlook the fact that he wasn't just some cop being an asshole for no reason - he was an outraged father (who was obviously out of line) that acted out in an unreasonable manner.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...if this man's profession wasn't that of a police officer, nobody would even know what he did for a living. If he was a doctor or a truck driver, people would be looking at him as a pissed off dad, but since he's a police officer, people are going to look at him as yet another asshole cop.

:2 cents:

I think the fact that he is a police officer makes it much more of an important news story. I'll agree that if this was someone else it probably wouldn't even be in the news. But police officers have to be held to a higher standard and they - when around the public - should hold themselves to this higher standard. Even if they are pissed off about the minor crash their son was involved in. The man should have conducted himself like a police officer and deal with the situation respecfully. Not throw his weight and power around like a thug and neither do you try to cover up your wrong doings when you figure out what you have done might look bad. Which is a total abuse of his and those that helped power's.

The police are the ones who have to be trusted when things get out of hand and when things like this happen or in the case of the UK anti-riot police push an innocent man over in the street which probably had something to do with his later heart attack and subsequent death; it shines a light on the police force as a whole, their hiring and training methods anf those they hire. Which is a good thing.
 
It's ridiculous that people continue to bad mouth police officers. My dad has been on the force for 20+ years and has done a hell of a job. He works in a jail and takes guys to and from prison. He's witnessed things that even to this day he won't talk about to me. My uncle was an undercover agent for 20 years and recently retired to desk work only after his health was dragged down because of the situations he placed himself in to keep drugs from being sold. Are some police officers corrupt or bad people? Sure, just like an every profession, it's not an excuse but if you had to put up with assholes every day you'd be a little pissed off now and then.
 
Let me ask you a question...

If the police officer's son wasn't involved in the accident with this girl and it was a complete stranger that was in the collision with her instead, do you think he would've handled the situation in the same way?


Let me ask you a question in return. Do you want someone who reacts this way to a minor fender bender to patrol the streets? His reaction clearly shows he should never have been allowed to become a police officer. He should have gotten his son and exchange inssurance information with Lawless wich is the normal reaction, not pull a gun on her and beat her. His reaction makes the fact that he's police officer very relevant.
 
Let me ask you a question in return. Do you want someone who reacts this way to a minor fender bender to patrol the streets? His reaction clearly shows he should never have been allowed to become a police officer. He should have gotten his son and exchange inssurance information with Lawless wich is the normal reaction, not pull a gun on her and beat her. His reaction makes the fact that he's police officer very relevant.

Yeah exactly he takes a small incident,junior has a fender bender (like that never happens sgt lol) and gets all worked up about it.He should know especially as a cop that such things happen all the time.Sounds like his son was totally at fault but really thats not the issue.Even if she hit him he should do the right thing and tell his son insurance and all that will take care of it.No way he should have the power a policeman has, he loses his cool way to easy.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Chef read the full story please the 2 guys did step in.The son also assaulted her and a friend of hers and the store owner stepped in.Also then the cop and other cops tried to get the store tape of the incident erased and told the clerk "do yourself a favor,erase the tape,testify for the cop".They all should be fired immediately and prosecuted as well.

I did read the whole story. Once again, if this guy wasn't a police officer, this wouldn't even be on the news.

I don't know about you but if I, as a non-officer of the law, got angry at somebody, beat them, pointed a gun at them when they did nothing wrong, lied about it, and tried to cover it up I very much doubt I wouldn't have the book thrown at me. Not to mention you can't separate somebody based on the circumstances. He can't be a cop one second and a father the next. He's always a cop.


What I would like to know is why if some normal person does something that's wrong people are almost always apt to highly condemn that person, but if an officer of the law does something wrong, which is even worse given their sworn duty, why are so many people out there, including the government, politician, and the legal system willing to go completely out of their way, no matter how inexcusable something is, no matter how illogical their way of thinking is, no matter how weak their argument is, no matter the evidence against that person to give the officer every single last iota of the benefit of the doubt no matter how ridiculous it should seem to a normal rational person? Often evidence that shows blatant wrongdoing isn't enough.

What also needs to be keep in mind is that for every moment where the cops slip up and there is video evidence that shows stuff like this there are probably hundreds or even thousands of cases that never get brought out or people just don't it believe because they automatically assume the other person is lying. The way it's going I'm getting more apt to not believe the police. I'm far from the only one, and they have nobody to blame for it but themselves and their own corruption.

Cops should not only be held accountable for their conduct but given their duty and the position of power they hold their punishment for wrongdoing should be rightfully much MUCH harsher than a normal citizens.

Police officers are still humans and, just like the rest of us, they're not perfect.

Their job is nothing more than that; a job. Why should a police officer be punished with more severity if his/her crime completely contradicts what they do for a living? Other than the fact that they hold the title of a police officer, I see no justified reason as to why such action should be taken. What I mean is...

A firefighter's job is to put out fires. As a society, we put our trust into firefighters to extinguish fires when we need them. Now, if a firefighter violates our trust and commits arson, should they serve a more severe punishment than anyone else who commits arson? No.

An anger management therapist's job is to help people control their anger issues. As a society, we put our trust into anger management therapists to assist people in controlling their rage and outbursts. Now, if an anger management therapist violates our trust and snaps one day, beating up a man who gave them a dirty look, should they serve a more severe punishment than anyone else who gets arrested for battery? No.

A drug rehab counselor's job is to help people recover from drug addiction. As a society, we put our trust into drug rehab counselors to encourage people to stay off of drugs. Now, if a drug rehab counselor violates our trust and snorts cocaine on the weekends, should they serve a more severe punishment than anyone else who gets busted using drugs? No.

A police officer's job is to enforce and uphold the law. As a society, we put our trust into police officers to eliminate law breakers from our streets, making our cities a safer place to live. Now, if that police officer gets caught going 98MPH in a 65MPH, should they serve a more severe punishment than anyone else who gets caught speeding? ...yes?

I know that we all have our own points of view on police officers and whether or not they should be held to a higher standard than everyday citizens, but do you see my point?

Personally, I think it's unfair to condemn someone with such ferocity just because their job is that of a police officer.

Now, in the case of this guy, he was on duty, so he should be punished for his actions that violated the code of conduct for a police officer. But, that's only because he was on duty. If he was off duty, it would be a completely different story.

I think the fact that he is a police officer makes it much more of an important news story. I'll agree that if this was someone else it probably wouldn't even be in the news. But police officers have to be held to a higher standard and they - when around the public - should hold themselves to this higher standard. Even if they are pissed off about the minor crash their son was involved in. The man should have conducted himself like a police officer and deal with the situation respecfully. Not throw his weight and power around like a thug and neither do you try to cover up your wrong doings when you figure out what you have done might look bad. Which is a total abuse of his and those that helped power's.

The police are the ones who have to be trusted when things get out of hand and when things like this happen or in the case of the UK anti-riot police push an innocent man over in the street which probably had something to do with his later heart attack and subsequent death; it shines a light on the police force as a whole, their hiring and training methods anf those they hire. Which is a good thing.

I agree that he took advantage of his badge, but I still don't think that police officers should be held to some unreasonable standard of perfection. Everybody makes mistakes and nobody is perfect; even if you wear a badge and carry a gun.

Let me ask you a question in return. Do you want someone who reacts this way to a minor fender bender to patrol the streets? His reaction clearly shows he should never have been allowed to become a police officer. He should have gotten his son and exchange inssurance information with Lawless wich is the normal reaction, not pull a gun on her and beat her. His reaction makes the fact that he's police officer very relevant.

Obviously his actions were way out of line and I'm not saying that they weren't. But, you are forgetting that his son was involved in this so you can't deny that personal, family-related emotions had something to do with this. This officer could have a perfectly clean record of service and, before this incident, could've been the cleanest, most respectful officer on the force. Why should all of that be erased just because of one mistake? Nobody is perfect. And, like I said before, if his son wasn't involved with this, I am willing to bet that his actions would've been nothing like they were.

But, to answer your question...no, I wouldn't want someone who freaks out over a fender bender to patrol the streets. But, once again, you can't forget that his son was involved in this, which could've easily made him snap. I'm not a parent myself, but I can understand why people freak out over a situation when their own child is involved. In fact, that's why a lot of professions, including doctors and police officers are usually never allowed to handle a work situation that involves a loved one or a family member - to avoid their emotions getting in the way of their duty.
 
Re: THE WORST IS THE SO-CALLED INTERNAL INVESTIGATION ALWAYS SIDED WITH THE COPS

Chef read the full story please the 2 guys did step in.The son also assaulted her and a friend of hers and the store owner stepped in.Also then the cop and other cops tried to get the store tape of the incident erased and told the clerk "do yourself a favor,erase the tape,testify for the cop".They all should be fired immediately and prosecuted as well.



Sad story all around North America !

It does not matter this occured in NJ, California or up north.

It is the same, abuse of power and the Internal Investigation rubbered stamped and said it is the fault of the civilians.

How can you get arrrested in your own home after returning back from China at Cambridge, Mass unless you are a minority.

Another sad day for all people in N. America
 
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