'State' v. 'Private' Universities

[~~whimsy~~]

They still have to be accredited so yeah, actually, they do.

No. That is optional. They can be eligible and can be accredited if they want to. You can be accredited and still not have to answer to the government. That merely lets the students to be fully licensed/certified in whatever field they go into and show they have been tested by state/federal level.

What allows these universities/schools to not answer to the government is that they receive no funding from the government be it local, state, or federal they don't have to answer to the government on anything be it who they allow to come into the school, how they conduct the courses, and who they may hire and fire, suspend, etc.

Accreditation doesn't count as being funded by the government. Which are two completely different things.

 

[xfire]

Unaccredited schools get shut down. You can't even list an unaccredited school on your resume in Texas. So yeah, it's still a form of government oversight.

More important is the idea of tenure for university faculty but I digress as I see that we're looking at two different ideas of government involvement and as much as I would like to continue to disagree with you I won't because you're actually right in your assertion that they don't have to answer to the government, nor should they.

 

[Rey C.]

Unaccredited schools get shut down. You can't even list an unaccredited school on your resume in Texas. So yeah, it's still a form of government oversight.

That's because unaccredited universities are usually joke/make believe schools that are nothing more than diploma mills, run by zealots and/or con men. I wouldn't even bother to interview someone with a "degree" from a school that couldn't/wouldn't meet certain basic standards. My assumption would be that person had certain "issues" that attracted them to that sort of school, rather than a legitimate university.

I am hoping to get a few legitimate answers about some of your experiences, and/or information on the subject. What I do know is that certain doctoral programs will not admit applicants if they have degrees from state universities, and I am curious as to how they come to these decisions.

Well, maybe you could share the names of these doctoral programs, so we could look into that claim. Because I'm unaware of any such thing... for legitimate doctoral programs, that is.

Your claim would mean that there are doctoral programs out there that would accept someone with an MBA from say, Liberty or Bob Jones University, but they wouldn't accept someone with an MBA from UVA's Darden School or a Masters in Economics from the University of Chicago or Michigan.

Sorry. Color me skeptical on that one. But you said it, so what are the names of these schools that offer these "highly competitive" doctoral programs?

 

[vodkazvictim]

Quite a lot actually. Harvard aka "The Best College in the World" has a very sizable yield of black students. This isn't a new trend either for all of you affirmative action junkies who would throw that out there. Harvard was accepting black students before slavery was over.:2 cents:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/11/21/harvard-tops-black-student-yield-for/

"The best college in the world"? Weird; I've studied in English and Russian universities and never heard that Harvard was the best in the world...
...Looks like it's only americans who think it's the best in the world.
As for the whole affirmative action thing, I was basically making a joke because, not being overly concerned with american unis I mistaken called Ivy league unis Ivory league unis.
Of course, now I've explained the joke it's doubly funny, because a joke allways gets funnier once one explains it.

 

[Rey C.]

"The best college in the world"? Weird; I've studied in English and Russian universities and never heard that Harvard was the best in the world...

Academic Ranking of World Universities - 2010... Harvard #1

 

[vodkazvictim]

Academic Ranking of World Universities - 2010... Harvard #1

Chosen by the chinese... but yeah OK, I'll take it, doesn't change the fact that you never hear a good word about most american unis.

 

[Bearded_Menace]

"The best college in the world"? Weird; I've studied in English and Russian universities and never heard that Harvard was the best in the world...
...Looks like it's only americans who think it's the best in the world.
As for the whole affirmative action thing, I was basically making a joke because, not being overly concerned with american unis I mistaken called Ivy league unis Ivory league unis.
Of course, now I've explained the joke it's doubly funny, because a joke allways gets funnier once one explains it.

That affirmative action thing wasn't meant for you per se. I just know from experience that some people would have thrown that out there.

 

[vodkazvictim]

That affirmative action thing wasn't meant for you per se. I just know from experience that some people would have thrown that out there.

At least this didn't degenerate into a flame war.
Fancy starting a thread about race together? :lovecoupl

 

[Rey C.]

Chosen by the chinese... but yeah OK, I'll take it, doesn't change the fact that you never hear a good word about most american unis.

Probably depends on who you talk to. What I got from those rankings is that while certain countries might have two or three top notch universities, the U.S. has a great number from coast to coast... both private AND public. I'm very happy that we have a globally dominant post-secondary education system. Where we fall short (severely) is in the area of public secondary education. But where ignorance used to be considered a badge of shame, many people revel in their ignorance these days and actually seem proud of it (I will spare the board another Sarah P@lin joke).

Our lil pal Scotty seems to have now lost interest in his thread. But just from reading over the rankings in the provided link (or rankings on other sites that, interestingly enough, tend show similar placements), he could have pretty much answered his own questions.

 

[xfire]

Surprisingly enough you never hear a good word about foreign universities in America, either. There's what, maybe 100 universities in all of the U.K.? There's like 1500 here in the U.S. You get out of your education what you want. If you're willing to work hard and study it doesn't matter where you go to school.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Probably depends on who you talk to. What I got from those rankings is that while certain countries might have two or three top notch universities, the U.S. has a great number from coast to coast... both private AND public. I'm very happy that we have a globally dominant post-secondary education system. Where we fall short (severely) is in the area of public secondary education. But where ignorance used to be considered a badge of shame, many people revel in their ignorance these days and actually seem proud of it (I will spare the board another Sarah P@lin joke).

Our lil pal Scotty seems to have now lost interest in his thread. But just from reading over the rankings in the provided link (or rankings on other sites that, interestingly enough, tend show similar placements), he could have pretty much answered his own questions.

No, I haven't lost interest. Just been watching from a distance.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

I am wondering what the differences are. I have read certain accounts about how state universities don't hold weight, and how the workload is light - almost too light.

I am hoping to get a few legitimate answers about some of your experiences, and/or information on the subject. What I do know is that certain doctoral programs will not admit applicants if they have degrees from state universities, and I am curious as to how they come to these decisions.

• Is a 'C' average at an Ivy League University much better than a flawless 'A' average at a State University?
  
  
• Is the State University a weaker load for political reasons (political correctness?), to perhaps meet quotas, etc.?
  
  
• Does the price tag on the private university have to reap benefits for these trust fund babies because they've "invested" in this education?
  
  
• Etc....

Any answers would be obliged. :hatsoff:

A C at an elite Private is better than a C at a normal or elite Public.

If you have that Harvard degree in hand, you'll get that job over the *** who went to UMBC provided you both can convey a willingness to work hard in the interview.

If you are going to a regular public school, don't even BOTHER spending your money unless you know you are committed and disciplined enough to get out of there with a 3.5 or above GPA--which isn't terribly hard to do. If you put forth even a modicum of effort you'll get a B.

You can literally slack off on every assignment, even fail to turn in a thesis and still pull out a C in many courses if you participate in class. The best advice is get a marketable degree though.


Get a STEM degree and you'll be far better off than anyone else. Stem being hard science (not psychology) technology, engineering or mathematics.

 

[Red Spyder]

I'd be more concerned about the rate of students who graduate from whatever university and find a job as soon as possible.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Probably depends on who you talk to. What I got from those rankings is that while certain countries might have two or three top notch universities, the U.S. has a great number from coast to coast... both private AND public. I'm very happy that we have a globally dominant post-secondary education system. Where we fall short (severely) is in the area of public secondary education. But where ignorance used to be considered a badge of shame, many people revel in their ignorance these days and actually seem proud of it (I will spare the board another Sarah P@lin joke).

Our lil pal Scotty seems to have now lost interest in his thread. But just from reading over the rankings in the provided link (or rankings on other sites that, interestingly enough, tend show similar placements), he could have pretty much answered his own questions.

I have bloodshottwat on ignore anyways; he's rude, arrogant and frankly, I don't think he has anythign of value to contribute.

Surprisingly enough you never hear a good word about foreign universities in America, either. There's what, maybe 100 universities in all of the U.K.? There's like 1500 here in the U.S. You get out of your education what you want. If you're willing to work hard and study it doesn't matter where you go to school.

Cambridge, Oxford - if you aint heard of these as good unis then frankly, you have a problem.
But yeah, I acknowledge that most people will probably stick to the unis in their country.

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

I have bloodshottwat on ignore anyways; he's rude, arrogant and frankly, I don't think he has anythign of value to contribute.QUOTE]

:1orglaugh

and here i was thinking i was the only one with that opinion

i dont ignore him cause quite frankly he is funny

that biodefenseterd is even funnier. 10 times funnier

as are a few more of there ilk

all BS aside though america has a majority of the best colleges around hands down.

 

[vodkazvictim]

:1orglaugh

and here i was thinking i was the only one with that opinion

i dont ignore him cause quite frankly he is funny

that biodefenseterd is even funnier. 10 times funnier

as are a few more of there ilk

all BS aside though america has a majority of the best colleges around hands down.

I don't mean to be rude old bean, but there is evidence to suggest that those american unis may be less than they're cracked up to be:
W graduated from Yale University in 1968 and Harvard Business School in 1975. Yet he failed to run his own oil business in big oil state Texas.

And guess who's teaching at Yale? Blair launched his Tony Blair Faith Foundation. This was followed in July 2009 by the launching of the Faith and Globalisation Initiative with Yale University in the USA.
That's right; Blair talking peace. A man who couldn't return to his home country, the one he once ruled, without a bodyguard. A man who led Britain to bankruptcy, bought into an ******* war and he is allowed to teach at a prestigeous uni? Nobody see a problem there?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I have bloodshottwat on ignore anyways; he's rude, arrogant and frankly, I don't think he has anythign of value to contribute.
.

Says the man who starts 25 threads in the same day on groups we should euthanize. Oh, jeeze, the irony is so fucking thick in here. :clap: Let it be known that, since this fagwad can't see me, that I am not flaming when I say vodkacunt is one of the biggest try-hard-to-be-funny runts on here. No, he's NOT funny. :lame:

 

[xfire]

Cambridge, Oxford - if you aint heard of these as good unis then frankly, you have a problem.
But yeah, I acknowledge that most people will probably stick to the unis in their country.

Sure, I've heard of them. I've heard of lots of foreign universities. I've heard nothing good of them and I am glad you get the point.

 

[Rey C.]

Get a STEM degree and you'll be far better off than anyone else. Stem being hard science (not psychology) technology, engineering or mathematics.

:thumbsup: IMO, that's the absolute best advice that one could give to anyone in or entering college right now. It's just a shame that more young people in the U.S. won't or can't follow that advice.

I don't mean to be rude old bean, but there is evidence to suggest that those american unis may be less than they're cracked up to be:
W graduated from Yale University in 1968 and Harvard Business School in 1975. Yet he failed to run his own oil business in big oil state Texas.

And guess who's teaching at Yale? Blair launched his Tony Blair Faith Foundation. This was followed in July 2009 by the launching of the Faith and Globalisation Initiative with Yale University in the USA.
That's right; Blair talking peace. A man who couldn't return to his home country, the one he once ruled, without a bodyguard. A man who led Britain to bankruptcy, bought into an ******* war and he is allowed to teach at a prestigeous uni? Nobody see a problem there?

Yes, but Bush is just an anecdotal example, and there's no indication that it represents the rule. More likely, it represents the exception. Whether we're talking about Yale and Harvard or Cambridge and Oxford, it's guaranteed that we'll be able to find the names of people who either didn't set the world on fire, or who failed their way to the top. But according to Forbes, approximately 90% of billionaires with MBA's obtained their master's degree from one of three Ivy League schools: Harvard Business School, Columbia Business School, or Wharton Business School.

As for Blair, despite the controversy that now surrounds him, he is a former world leader. It is fairly common for universities to try to attract upper level political leaders into temporary teaching positions. It makes for good PR.

At some point these kinds of discussions become Chevy vs. Ford, or Jaguar vs. Mercedes, if you like. Based on where someone might have attended college, we all have our opinions and sentimental favorites. But the fact is, based on objective data, the U.S. has a global domination in the area of university level higher education.

 

[marquis2]

The best universities in the Western world are all pretty good.
Very often it depends what you are studying.The UK gave up its clear #1 position when it began to widen its intake. I'm not sure of the value of a degree when half the population go to university.A generation ago the standard of a good degree was reckoned to be beyond 95% of the population and so a degree had some real status. I remember at school-note school-we were using American university text books and when we went onto our degree subjects we started to use books of a much higher standard.Alas that's all gone in the name of universal tertiary education.