Sorry about that Sir?

[Marlo Manson]

How the fuck can this happen? the United States needs to find a better way to determine ones guilt when their are no tell tale witnesses or incriminating evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt they have arrested and punished the real criminal! check this out! :thefinger:dunno:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/06/texas.exoneration/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

 

[24788]

I have read a few stories about innocent people who are found guilty. Only years later to be proven innocent. The system isn't that great in general, but it will hopefully improve in years to come.

It's very tough when a thing like this happens. Just another wasted life. It's a sad reality that happens.

 

[D-rock]

I blame both the prosecutors and the jury. Both of them should have known better, and should have actually did their duty. In an ideal world his family should get millions for each year in prison, any authorities that had ties to the case that were involved in the prosecution should be fired never to have a job in the government or anything similar to what they once had ever again with their pensions or any other benefits taken away retroactively if need be all after they are publicly humiliated over it by their superiors, and if their conduct indicated they were especially neglectful in doing their best to find the truth or they went ahead when they didn't reasonably think the proof was beyond a reasonable doubt, then they should face worse, like prison time equal to the sentence the person that was innocent got. Of course it isn't an ideal world and the government will never step up to the plate to hold itself accountable for things like that. If I could I would also find a way to punish jurors that did an especially unreasonable job judging the burden of proof for the type of case they were looking at. It's easy to do the easy thing when people are screaming for blood or you let your emotions control your judgment, but sometimes you have to do the right thing instead even if it's not convenient. I'm also not surprised it happened in Texas either.

 

[mrtrebus]

Yet another example that proves that the death sentence should be abolished.

 

[Gordar]

It's the main reason why I'm against the death penalty.... Convicted people who have been put to death are cleared after they've already died....

(although in this case it wasn't a death sentence that killed the man)

 

[mrtrebus]

It's the main reason why I'm against the death penalty.... Convicted people who have been put to death are cleared after they've already died....

(although in this case it wasn't a death sentence that killed the man)

Yep, not in this case. There have been so many miscarriages of justice throughout the years, by mistake & intentional that the notion of the death penalty can never be considered, well not by any sane human being.

 

[Embryoyo]

Jesus... Making America look bad since "25/12/~6"BC

 

[Bone]

ironically it's called the justice system when sometimes it's injustice.

anyone who knows courts knows that truth does not always prevail.

 

[maildude]

Does anybody really think the justice system in this country is fair? How about infallible? As long as there are people running it it's going to be inexact at best. Ego, prejudices, economics and agendas will always guarantee that a trip to the courthouse will often end up being a trip to nowhere. Lots of lawyers and judges=a brimming fucking mess.

 

[Rinzo]

There was a similar topic not so long ago. It's awful when the system shatters some innocent life. Makes you wonder how many more lives were ruined that way... But to be honest, it may be better that the man died. If I was him and was found innocent after my life was ruined, I'd probably choke with rage until I go crazy and either kill myself or become a criminal for real.

 

[Marlo Manson]

There was a similar topic not so long ago. It's awful when the system shatters some innocent life. Makes you wonder how many more lives were ruined that way... But to be honest, it may be better that the man died. If I was him and was found innocent after my life was ruined, I'd probably choke with rage until I go crazy and either kill myself or become a criminal for real.

I have heard stories where innocent people that have served time, often many years of time, and to my surprise, a large percentage of these people that were cheated out of there own freedom only to serve the real criminals time, are not bitter or hold no grudge, they feel thankful and validated.

And they Are just grateful to be able to salvage the rest of their lives, indubitably a very wealthy person for the rest of their days, but relieved and thankful for freedom and justice!

but yeah lives are shattered and for a large part destroyed, put on hold, and raped of their freedom (NO pun intended) by the inexcusable mistakes and weaknesses we have in our justice system!

Maybe back in the time of this trial, their were NO tests for DNA or any definite proof that could save the wrong man from being sent to prison, cuz the victim ID'd him as her attacker, but any good defense, and any acute juror would have had reasonable doubt when they learned the accused DIDN'T SMOKE! and the real OFFENDER smoked heavily! that should have been the 1st red flag of doubt and raised suspicion they may have the wrong man on trial! :dunno:

 

[Rinzo]

I have heard stories where inocent people that have served time, often many years of time, and to my surprise, a large percentage of these people that were cheated out of there own freedom only to serve the real criminals time, are not bitter or hold no grudge, they feel thankful and validated.

And they Are just grateful to be able to salvage the rest of their lives, undoubtably a very wealthy person for the rest of their days, but relieved and thankful for freedom and justice!

That may well be so. I never was in such situation (and hopefully, never will), but I find it amazing if a person who has served years and years of time wouldn't be at least bitter, if not furious. I mean, this is a travesty of justice. Just in order to have a sacrificial lamb for a commited crime, the system commits another crime, just as bad, if not worse (who knows if the poor guy wasn't raped in prison as well?). But nobody is gonna take the blame for that.

 

[Marlo Manson]

That may well be so. I never was in such situation (and hopefully, never will), but I find it amazing if a person who has served years and years of time wouldn't be at least bitter, if not furious. I mean, this is a travesty of justice. Just in order to have a sacrificial lamb for a commited crime, the system commits another crime, just as bad, if not worse (who knows if the poor guy wasn't raped in prison as well?). But nobody is gonna take the blame for that.

Indeed your points are well appreciated and I agree fully! I know I would be out for blood! but after doing all that time, I would prolly think better of it!

Absolutely justice for these unfortunate people don't exist! I mean you live 1 fuckin time, I mean its fucked up if you fuck your own life off / up, but we all have to lye in the bed we make for ourselve's, granted, but it would be UNFORGIVABLE if ones life was dictated and controlled by the law even though you are an innocent man who lived and obeyed the laws! I am definitely agreeing with you! were on the same team here..

I was just sharing some of the stories I've heard where people are not livid, or even bitter, just thankful..

But I myself could not forgive that type of travesty of unjustice! :hatsoff:

 

[BlueBalls]

Does this guy have a family? And if he does is there anyway they can get some monitary compensation for this?

It is outrageous that this person was convicted under false allegations and its even worse that he died before he could ever be exonerated. In my opinion there needs to be some sort of compensation.

 

[Rinzo]

Exactly. It's unforgivable. I mean, he was innocent guy, who - like Marlo Manson said - obeyed the laws. And what good he saw from that? He died in prison! Makes you question the whole point of the society we live in, because I'm convinced that this is not the only case when the system has crushed an innocent man just to have a scraficial lamb.

 

[Gordar]

Does this guy have a family? And if he does is there anyway they can get some monitary compensation for this?

It is outrageous that this person was convicted under false allegations and its even worse that he died before he could ever be exonerated. In my opinion there needs to be some sort of compensation.

I usually agree with you, but I don't see how money can ever compensate for the loss of an innocent human life.

I was just sharing some of the stories I've heard where people are not livid, or even bitter, just thankful..

These people probably had good counseling. Carrying a grudge against the justice system usually isn't very fruitful/profitable in the short or long term. A good counselor would have been able to make that clear before the victim was even released.

The people often get monetary compensation, which they should. I doubt anyone is going to hire you when you tell them you've spent X years in jail, but that you've been wrongly accused. Not only does it not look good on your résumé but your knowledge of things is usually outdated to say the least.

 

[Sicario]

This happens everywhere. Illinois is no stranger when it comes to exonerating persons for crimes they didn't commit.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/1377.php

 

[BlueBalls]

I usually agree with you, but I don't see how money can ever compensate for the loss of an innocent human life.

It obviously cant.

But there has to be a way to get justice for his family, and that was my thought. I know money can never make up for the wrongful arrest and conviction of this man and subsequent death. But in appealing for it it will allow more than just those close to this case to know that everyone involved was wrong and because of their mistake a human life was lost in prison where he should not have been.

This is unfogivable, but if it was one of my family I would want some form o justice to be carried out. These people are not going to be charged with anything, so a form of compensation is the only admission of guilt they can hope for.

 

[Becks...poamr]

I blame both the prosecutors and the jury.

I blame them, and also, in part, the woman who accused him.

 

[girk1]

This happens more than people think & that is why I have problems with the death penalty. It also disturbs me when the public convicts people of a serious crime before they have even had a day in court.

In Dallas county Texas that county's first Black DA ,Craig Watkins,has requested over 400 cases be reviewed & since 2001 19 people have been freed:eek: There were accustations of bias/injustice/racsm in many of those convictions & they have been proving true. Like Charles Chatham:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-02-18-DNA_n.htm

I have stated in another thread that a person should be guaranteed at least average minimum wage income ,but I amend that to at least MEDIAN per CAPITA income for the years locked up. I was unaware that Texas is giving Chatham (at least) $50 k/ per year for each of the 27 locked up($1.35 mil) if he doesn't pursue a lawsuit. That is the least they can do.