So, You Dislike Arizona's New Immigration Policy?
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Philbert
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Sounds very close to many illegals' situations I have personally seen...6-10 single men sharing a 1 bedroom apt, or 3 families to a small 1 bedroom rundown apt, dirty and very Mexico-like; babies unsupervised in diapers barefoot playing in areas where sewer overflow gathers, school children living in a small space trying to do schoolwork in an impossible setting (think they help the grade point average of their class/school?), men getting drunk for a cheap good time surrounded by children, teens, and the inevitable sad looking pet dog someone gets to be more "American". Nice truck nearby, and every lame plastic (mostly) broken toy with some comic character or other on it Walmart sells laying around everywhere, all in the name of "trying to have a better life"...right.
The Coyotes do all right, this is true. So do small private car lots, the ones with weekly payment plans; liquor stores, Dollar Stores, Mexican Clubs...they get their share for sure.
It gives a whole new life to slumlords, who were having a hard time getting by before the massive illegal tide rolled in.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and guess HM, the "slow" Charlie Hustle, most of you pro-illegal types... have never been over for a beer with too many illegals. Just guessing, from the ignorant and clueless way you talk about them...
They need to go in massive numbers, it's a lose-lose situation as long as we allow the situation to exist.
Slave laborers live live slaves, and bring their ignorance with them along with various diseases (resistant TB is my personal favorite:thumbsup
...Thank you Arizona...:bowdown:
Every person within our borders a afforded basic rights (against crimes, etc.) irrespective of legal status.
But I agree, under the grounds permitted by this law, how do we know who deserves rights without first having violated them? In other words, there is no possible way to isolate the application of this law to only illegals. A fact many here STILL have their heads in the clouds about.
I'll give you this analogous example;
The law seeks to stop drunk drivers but just because that's true LE still may not arbitrarily stop every car on the road in order to make sure drivers aren't drunk. The only time LE may is at specifically announced checkpoints designed to target areas.
Even if LE sees you leaving a bar (a circumstance where a person has likely been drinking)...they still may not stop you without specific suspicion or probable cause you (versus a man simply leaving a bar) are under the influence based on some specific thing you did or failed to do in their presence. You could simply work at the bar or could have drank but not be legally impaired.
Point is, in our country the g'ment needs more than some general suspicion. It needs a specific suspicion and a specific probable cause to detain and interrogate individuals.
As I said before, I wasn't making a point about how those "country's," as you so eloquently put it, relate to the United States, I was simply posting scenarios that exist in other countries relative to immigrants and their rights/treatment etc. You were the one who asked how the governing documents of those countries resemble or relate to those of the US Constitution, and I posted some examples. And as far as bringing up what you claim to be "irrelevant" facts, I agree, were I focused solely on US immigration policy generally, and Arizona's immigration policy specifically, that would indeed be irrelevant. But, again, I was not concentrating on the comparisons, but rather posting a simple list of other countries' immigration policies.
See above.
Interesting that you crack on an American for focusing on policies that have no relevance in America. I guess being a stupid ethnocentric American now encompasses those individuals that attempt to discuss policies that have no relation to, or impact on America. Guess I misunderstood that definition.
Fair enough.
So this is what you imagine living as an illegal alien is like? Wow. Seriously...wow.Sounds very close to many illegals' situations I have personally seen...6-10 single men sharing a 1 bedroom apt, or 3 families to a small 1 bedroom rundown apt, dirty and very Mexico-like; babies unsupervised in diapers barefoot playing in areas where sewer overflow gathers, school children living in a small space trying to do schoolwork in an impossible setting (think they help the grade point average of their class/school?), men getting drunk for a cheap good time surrounded by children, teens, and the inevitable sad looking pet dog someone gets to be more "American". Nice truck nearby, and every lame plastic (mostly) broken toy with some comic character or other on it Walmart sells laying around everywhere, all in the name of "trying to have a better life"...right.
The Coyotes do all right, this is true. So do small private car lots, the ones with weekly payment plans; liquor stores, Dollar Stores, Mexican Clubs...they get their share for sure.
It gives a whole new life to slumlords, who were having a hard time getting by before the massive illegal tide rolled in.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and guess HM, the "slow" Charlie Hustle, most of you pro-illegal types... have never been over for a beer with too many illegals. Just guessing, from the ignorant and clueless way you talk about them...
They need to go in massive numbers, it's a lose-lose situation as long as we allow the situation to exist.
Slave laborers live live slaves, and bring their ignorance with them along with various diseases (resistant TB is my personal favorite:thumbsup
Thank you Arizona...:bowdown:
By the way, did you ever look up the facts about illegal immigrants and how little they drain from economy and how much they actually put in? Of course you didn't, but fear not, Google is your friend.
Your assuming that what the media is speculating about is going to come to fruition. I mean what proof do they have that any of the situations their promoting of profiling is actually happening? I'm being profiled as a terrorist without a jury or a court of law by the media and the regime, because I am unhappy of taxes getting worse. But back on topic the media has been effective of scaring the rest of the country with what could happen? Without any actually event taking place........because they are wrong.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004030-503544.html
this is a national poll
Yeah, look at the good times your state of CA is enjoying. CA went from the world's 8th largest economy to broke in 1 generation. Coincidence?
Philbert
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At least you have company in your extreme ignorance...bbwlover has joined you. Why notice all the facts printed, posted, and put out there for the public over the last several years?
You are the most ignorant poster in the thread...that's normal. You have no clue about what you're talking about...as usual.
But:
What part of "my personal experience" was too complicated or intellectually advanced for you to comprehend?
Should I use less syllables and smaller words to help you with comprehension (or: will easy words help you to get it?)?
As I said, you have no clue what the illegal experience is like, and just spout lame crap you make up as you go along...as usual.
Actually, I fully understand. My dad's side is Mexican, who immigrated to America. Immigration isn't some paper you sign and then BAM! you're legal. It took years and years and years for them to finally become a citizen. They applied for citizenship and didn't get it for another 10-15 years. My grandpa was probably the hardest worker I've ever known, so yes, I know a thing or two about a thing or two. You've never experienced it. Ever.As I said, you have no clue what the illegal experience is like, and just spout lame crap you make up as you go along...as usual.
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Philbert
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Actually, I fully understand. My dad's side is Mexican, who immigrated to America. Immigration isn't some paper you sign and then BAM! you're legal. It took years and years and years for them to finally become a citizen. They applied for citizenship and didn't get it for another 10-15 years. My grandpa was probably the hardest worker I've ever known, so yes, I know a thing or two about a thing or two. You've never experienced it. Ever.
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More BS, and I don't believe you ever had any contact with illegals, Mexican or otherwise.
I really have family who share genetics with Mexico, as well as YEARS of 1 on 1 being in hundreds of illegal's homes, working with them, and living in Mexico and Guatemala ; and your crap is so far from reality I can tell you're lying.
Not that having a relative who immigrated years ago has a damn thing to do with wetbacks and border jumpers...you once again come through with transparent and excessively lame BS...!:thumbsup:
Philbert
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:Speaking of which...
http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=16723&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1017
According to the 2000 Census, there were a total of 11,502,870 households in CA, up from 10,381,206 in 1990. Showing an increase of apx. 1.1%. Extrapolating from that information, we can reasonably assume that with the 2010 census we will see CA with an approximate total of 12,745,726 households (based on the previously seen 1.1% increase) accounting for an ANNUAL extra cost to CA taxpayers of $15.1 billion.
As far as Arizona is concerned, the 2000 Census shows a total of 1,901,327 households, up from the 1990 number of 1,368,843 (apx. a 1.4% increase). So it follows that the 2010 Census will reveal a total of somewhere around 2.64 millions homes, accounting for roughly $1.9 billion in extra taxpayer burden YEARLY.
And I don't really think that a cost that great is offset by illegal immigrants "putting into the economy" with the purchase of food, clothing, etc.
(And these dollar amounts are based on the calculated fiscal cost numbers used in the 2004-05 reports. The actual costs per household may well indeed be higher than that for FY 2010. Not to mention to fact that the study didn't differentiate between illegal and legal immigrants, which would actually drag down the study's number for total fiscal burden, due to the inclusion of legal immigrants who pay taxes.)
So I am going to go out on a limb here and say that there are indeed very real costs involved with illegal immigration into the United States.
@ PlumpRump: I understood the point you were trying to make, and yes, you are right. The laws that America is implementing now aren't the sort of laws that haven't been heard off before. Many other countries, besides the ones you offered, have the same laws. What I'm trying to say, is that, even though the results on those countries are great, and no one really blames them, the results will be different simply because it is the USA, which is the number one country that everybody wants to migrate too (not just mexicans).
People don't want to migrate to Japan/Italy/Australia and etc, these aren't the lands where "dreams come true"...people want to go to the country they see in movies and stuff, where everything is perfect (hollywood's fault).
I do understand how fucked up it must to have thousands and millions of foreigners enter your country just to take advantage of services, that you as a citizen pay for with your taxes. That's something I don't find funny, and it's unfair. Although these facts are still shrouded in some mystery, after all, it seems no one really knows how much of a burden the illegals are on the economy anyway.
But what I'm getting at, is the fact Arizona shouldn't have gone about this in this way, because this will bring many consequences that the American people shouldn't have to face. Things won't simply go smoothly as many people think it's gonna go. There's no telling what or how the illegals that are in this country and in danger will respond to that, we could be talking about higher criminality rates! And Mexican's president will be backing them up possibly, after all he's also against that law. Not to mention, that the measures being taken will not diminish the number of immigrants trying to get into this country.
What I'm saying is that things could escalate into something really big...perhaps too big. That's what I'm saying. Simply because, the image America has is too powerful compared to even China/Russia/Japan which are countries that are supposed to be as awesome as the USA.
PS: And there are still some other factors that I see but feel I'm not qualified to talk about.
People don't want to migrate to Japan/Italy/Australia and etc, these aren't the lands where "dreams come true"...people want to go to the country they see in movies and stuff, where everything is perfect (hollywood's fault).
I do understand how fucked up it must to have thousands and millions of foreigners enter your country just to take advantage of services, that you as a citizen pay for with your taxes. That's something I don't find funny, and it's unfair. Although these facts are still shrouded in some mystery, after all, it seems no one really knows how much of a burden the illegals are on the economy anyway.
But what I'm getting at, is the fact Arizona shouldn't have gone about this in this way, because this will bring many consequences that the American people shouldn't have to face. Things won't simply go smoothly as many people think it's gonna go. There's no telling what or how the illegals that are in this country and in danger will respond to that, we could be talking about higher criminality rates! And Mexican's president will be backing them up possibly, after all he's also against that law. Not to mention, that the measures being taken will not diminish the number of immigrants trying to get into this country.
What I'm saying is that things could escalate into something really big...perhaps too big. That's what I'm saying. Simply because, the image America has is too powerful compared to even China/Russia/Japan which are countries that are supposed to be as awesome as the USA.
PS: And there are still some other factors that I see but feel I'm not qualified to talk about.
PirateKing
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IMO there are a lot of illegal immigrants who contribute more to this country than regular citizens. It's all about circumstance. If you're born here then congrats, you're a citizen.
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