Seventy Years Ago

Ace Boobtoucher said:
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I'm fairly certain the Marines and soldiers who fought that island hopping campaign across the Pacific would disagree.
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I was talking about the war at sea being mostly carrier based...not that it was a war that was only carrier based at sea. As opposed to a bunch of Battleships going around shooting at other Battleships. Cause the person I quoted mentioned the "Battleship Yorktown" which wasnt actually a battleship but a carrier. And he mentioned the Missouri too which *was* a battleship and i do remember it was the ship present at the Surrender of Japan where all the big wigs signed the treaties. But i dont remember much of its battle record aside from all the shore bombardment it did. I'm sure there was a bit of old fashioned ship on ship shooting. But i believe carrier warfare made up a bunch of the battles at sea. I'd have to double check but i dont recall hearing anything about Army or Marine troops swimming up to any Japanese ships and punching them and sinking them.

I wasnt discussing the island hopping or the wars fought on the ground. And just because i didnt mention them doesnt mean i thought they didnt contribute anything...

EDIT: and really now? after i mentioned the Battle of Okinawa you're gonna make it seem like i'm doing the island hopping Marines and Army troops a disservice by not mentioning them? You know that all the stuff i mentioned in my previous post about the Battle of Okinawa was actually from memory. The only actual thing i had to look up (for you guys) were the actual numbers. I already knew that the number of ****** on the Japanese side was really REALLY high, and that the surrender rate was really low. And i also knew that a lot of civilians were ****** AND COMMITTED SUICIDE. I used to live on Okinawa and got to visit the caves the Japanese used. And i even got to go to the Suicide cliffs where a lot of people jumped off, including ******* who threw off their ******** and then jumped off after them.
 
It's important to remember that this thread is a reference to Hiroshima. There are plenty of accolades to go around for the sacrifice that was given by all land, air and sea ****** during the Pacific War but perhaps not nearly enough for the civilian population of Japan, China, the Philippines etc.

Maybe we should start a separate thread to discuss the aspects of the war in the Pacific from a broader perspective. :dunno:
 
Jagger69 said:
It's important to remember that this thread is a reference to Hiroshima. There are plenty of accolades to go around for the sacrifice that was given by all land, air and sea ****** during the Pacific War but perhaps not nearly enough for the civilian population of Japan, China, the Philippines etc.

Maybe we should start a separate thread to discuss the aspects of the war in the Pacific from a broader perspective. :dunno:
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Ah, but it is that ****** part of WWII that led to the first, and thankfully only nuclear event in history. It could be argued that, if the Japanese were less determined, shall we say, or loyal to the Emperor....however you choose to word it, the bombs may not have been dropped.


Off topic, this weekend I watched a PHENOMENAL program on Netflix. It was called, WWII from space. Using CGI, and other forms of animation, the war was recreated to show how in evolved from a different perspective, then we would get from archival footage, and interviews. It was an hour and a half, of great documentary viewing.
 
I agree with the decision to use the bombs back then. It saved lives on both sides. However, I do have to question if the best targets where chosen. With the demonstration of what nuclear weapons could do did populated centers really have to be chosen as the first ones to do what amounted to making a point with our opponents? Even if the Japanese leadership at the time could somehow hide the destruction from their own people it wouldn't have been hard to tell them "We can make more of those in short order (or even lie and say we have a lot more ready) and we will keep dropping them on you if you don't surrender and the next ones really will be on large population centers." After that if they really didn't surrender then there would be much less choice in the matter as a large scale invasion would be even less permissible given the lives that would have been lost.

Yes it's true that they didn't surrender after the first bomb, but I have to wonder if they would told something like that and given a week or two to mull things over if their conviction would have held out knowing the truth that we had those and we could keep having nuclear weapons dropped on them.
 
ritingfunny@yah said:
My ****** served in the South Pacific in WW2 and if you ask any of the men and women who served there, they can tell you there was no such thing as Japanese civilians. What the opponents of using the bomb forget is "civilians" in Japan had been trained to fight any occupying *****.
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The Japanese were-and probably still are- fanatics and their leaders totally warmongers, so it is miracle that they surrendered after the atomic bomb was dropped,

"The one who grasps the ***** shall perish by the *****"


(Jesus Christ)
 
There is an endless debate whether or not we should have avoided that tragedy; but we eventually won the war. If it was the other way around, I would be rallying to question why we have pixeled groins on our porn.
 
Sept. 2, 1945. "Japanese foreign minister Mamoru Shigemitsu signing the document of surrender aboard the U.S. battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay as General Douglas MacArthur and members of the Allied delegations watch."

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They needed a dose of humility after what they did to the Chinese and Korean people.
They were and are lucky they lost to America, if they had lost to Russia, Japan would have been ****** into communism and it's resources, culture and people decimated.
 
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