I read both your posts carefully. And then I decided to point out that I didn't like what you said openly for everyone to see. Unlike you, who goes crying to a mod whenever someone hurts your feelings.
Seven Years Later: Are people starting to forget?
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I read both your posts carefully. And then I decided to point out that I didn't like what you said openly for everyone to see. Unlike you, who goes crying to a mod whenever someone hurts your feelings.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
On that day United States civilians were murdered on the soil of their own country.
And everybody who lives were stolen that day died in a horrible way.
I think of the terror they must have suffered before they died.
These were people just like you and me, mothers, sons, wives, fathers.
When has this ever happened before in the history of this country?
The way I've always looked at it is that that could have been me, or my mother or father.
So I take in very personally.
You want to forget, go ahead. Your choice.
I don't.
And everybody who lives were stolen that day died in a horrible way.
I think of the terror they must have suffered before they died.
These were people just like you and me, mothers, sons, wives, fathers.
When has this ever happened before in the history of this country?
The way I've always looked at it is that that could have been me, or my mother or father.
So I take in very personally.
You want to forget, go ahead. Your choice.
I don't.
Now how did I know that your reply was probably going to include you giving me the finger, lol?
Calm down temperman. My point was that all the innocent victims of tragedies should be equally remembered. My Lai was March 16. So a minute of silence then. And so on.
Of course then you might as well just do it everyday. Or do it one day like ChefChiTown suggests.
Understood. But with respect, the families of the terrorists were victims (those that disagree with al Queda) just as much as the families of 9/11 victims. They all lost their loved ones to the madness that is terrorism.
My point in this thread is that 9/11 was awful. But it's terrorism. And Americans aren't used to it; but much of the world is. They see smaller scale 9/11's every day.
Yes, mourn for the dead. All the world's dead to terror
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
youre talking about the men who intentionally murdered all those people and cost the country billions and changed so many lives in a negative way, ect ect ect.......
Youre talkng about those guys and their families?
Their families who most likely recieved and accepted fortunes?
I don't pity them, pretty much because they didn't burn alive, jump to their deaths or have one of the tallest buildings in the world collaspe on top of them.
LBP we can "what about" all day. If you want to remember, remember.
If you want to forget, forget.
Philbert
Banned
Actually, no one here, with a very few exceptions, has enough of my respect to "hurt my feelings".
When you sent a nasty little snipe disguised as negative rep for my general discussion in a thread ("Put the chewin' tobacky down and read a book you redneck!") not addressed to you at all, I of course reported you to a mod.
You rarely show respect to those you disagree with, usually put out unfounded rumor as fact, and generally embarass yourself...but that doesn't stop you from posting.
But if you want to send snide little comments to me, I can't reach out and touch you on the net...so I will report you to a mod. Deal with it.
Well put. Those who think making jokes about the incredibly brave firefighters who went tearing into a burning and crumbling tower to try and save as many people as they could, and died in the hundreds, are beyond contempt; those who don't see any importance in thousands of ordinary people dying screaming deaths in a burning and then crumbling building so some extreme assholes could make a point, are lost in their own useless souls and will never see anything outside themselves as having any relevance; millions of caring and effected Americans and other empathetic souls around the world do, and will continue to see the Twin Towers massacre as the horror it was.
There is no reaching a closed mind; only when someone as important to them as they are...a mother, a brother, or a child...is callously and casually killed in a horrific terror attack somewhere close to home, like a daycare or a concert, will they get it. It will happen again...
To be honest...not that it matters. No one is waiting for the self centered individuals to "get it"; wiser people will always take care of business with or without the support of the perpetually frightened.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I don't really think it's about wanting to "forget". I think it's more about not wanting to be constantly reminded of something that was terrible.
I remember the day my ex-girlfriend broke up with me like it was yesterday but I don't choose to celebrate the anniversary on a yearly basis by doing all sorts of things to remind myself of how terrible it was and how horrible I felt when it happened.
To me, there's a huge difference between "not purposely reminding myself" of something and "forgetting" it.
:2 cents:
What you call "general discussion in a thread" I call irreverent belittlement and blatant disrespect. And that's what earned you some negative rep and that "nasty little snipe". I'm sure your chronic discourtesy will earn you plenty more.
And don't assume for a single second that the treatment I show you is indicative of the way I treat others on this board. It's not.
for the record...I was not talking about the terrorists themselves. I was speaking of the parents and siblings of the terrorists who strongly disagree with what they did but lost their sons/siblings.
No, I'll never forget.
A cousin of mine died that day.
I will always mourn for those who perished, and their families.
I also grieve for our country on this day. On the 12th of September, 2001, we were the most united we'd been as a nation since the second world war. The sympathy and support of most of the world was ours.
But look at us now, 7 years later. We're as divided as we've been since Viet Nam. Paranoia and xenophobia are rampant. A conventional war against an unconventional enemy is bleeding us financially dry. Our standing in the world community has taken a beating. Our hard-earned ethical superiority has been called to question. Knowing he could never defeat us militarily, these were exactly the sort of goals Bin Laden had in mind while planning the 9/11 attack. That he's succeeded to the degree he has makes me, as a United States citizen, very angry.
A cousin of mine died that day.
I will always mourn for those who perished, and their families.
I also grieve for our country on this day. On the 12th of September, 2001, we were the most united we'd been as a nation since the second world war. The sympathy and support of most of the world was ours.
But look at us now, 7 years later. We're as divided as we've been since Viet Nam. Paranoia and xenophobia are rampant. A conventional war against an unconventional enemy is bleeding us financially dry. Our standing in the world community has taken a beating. Our hard-earned ethical superiority has been called to question. Knowing he could never defeat us militarily, these were exactly the sort of goals Bin Laden had in mind while planning the 9/11 attack. That he's succeeded to the degree he has makes me, as a United States citizen, very angry.
Can't say it better. It's the vital point.
GabberMan
Closed Account
Sorry to say but: yes they are. Institutional memory is not very strong - we have millions of people now in the UK who don't really know what the Holocaust is or means. We have people who have already forgotten about the Tube bombs as they were too young to understand their siginificance at the time. Same goes for 9/11.
The 9/11 problem is giving way to newer problems like Russia/Georgia, and China's Olympic PR stunt. China and Russia are back, and 9/11 isn't very important to as many people any more.
That's just the way I see it - not saying it's morally right. Just my perception.
The 9/11 problem is giving way to newer problems like Russia/Georgia, and China's Olympic PR stunt. China and Russia are back, and 9/11 isn't very important to as many people any more.
That's just the way I see it - not saying it's morally right. Just my perception.
Philbert
Banned
I was too young to remember the Holocaust...but I do remember gentle and sweet people I met growing up, several were the parents of my friends, bearing a rough blue string of numbers tatooed on the inside of their forearms.
I sat at their dinner tables many times, sometimes listening to quiet recitations of lost family never heard from again, lost in the camps.
It was personal then, and I never will forget how inhumane mankind can be.
I know how, many times, the unconcerned allow the evil among us to perpetuate unspeakable acts unchecked; I for one am a believer in doing what can be done to keep the damage as contained as possible.
No one can know the whole truth about anything, too many ripples making more ripples and creating so many events that are connected to other events. But, just like seeing a large city high above it gives you a better perspective of it's size, seeing a pattern in an historic event and the direction things are taking gives a good idea of the direction events are heading...or, simply put, if you show fear to an enemy, and try to calm him down through concession, he will gather even more strength and strive for a bigger victory over you.
9/11 showed some the pattern of inhumanity generally practiced by radical Muslim Fundamentalists; close to home is as close as it gets.
We feel safe here when innocents are being slaughtered in Somalia, or Rawanda, or Israel, but how can we feel safe 7 years later when they came into our house to torture and kill our friends and family? And would gleefully do so again and again?
Only little children get to take a break from responsibility; adults are here to carry the burden of taking care of society, or in a smaller arena the young, the old, and those who need care.
Copping out by claiming it's not your problem, or no one you know got killed in New York that day, doesn't change the reality of anything, it just shifts the burden to others to keep things together. History often repeats itself mostly because events are "forgotten" by those who should remember.
I may not like this person or that person, but I respect adults who try to do their part in the world we live in. And no amount of "reasoning" can change how the world is structured...the weak fall, and the strong survive.
I sat at their dinner tables many times, sometimes listening to quiet recitations of lost family never heard from again, lost in the camps.
It was personal then, and I never will forget how inhumane mankind can be.
I know how, many times, the unconcerned allow the evil among us to perpetuate unspeakable acts unchecked; I for one am a believer in doing what can be done to keep the damage as contained as possible.
No one can know the whole truth about anything, too many ripples making more ripples and creating so many events that are connected to other events. But, just like seeing a large city high above it gives you a better perspective of it's size, seeing a pattern in an historic event and the direction things are taking gives a good idea of the direction events are heading...or, simply put, if you show fear to an enemy, and try to calm him down through concession, he will gather even more strength and strive for a bigger victory over you.
9/11 showed some the pattern of inhumanity generally practiced by radical Muslim Fundamentalists; close to home is as close as it gets.
We feel safe here when innocents are being slaughtered in Somalia, or Rawanda, or Israel, but how can we feel safe 7 years later when they came into our house to torture and kill our friends and family? And would gleefully do so again and again?
Only little children get to take a break from responsibility; adults are here to carry the burden of taking care of society, or in a smaller arena the young, the old, and those who need care.
Copping out by claiming it's not your problem, or no one you know got killed in New York that day, doesn't change the reality of anything, it just shifts the burden to others to keep things together. History often repeats itself mostly because events are "forgotten" by those who should remember.
I may not like this person or that person, but I respect adults who try to do their part in the world we live in. And no amount of "reasoning" can change how the world is structured...the weak fall, and the strong survive.
Very good post bodie. Your last two paragraphs captured my feelings exactly.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
That happens almost everyday in African countries or Irak, Iran,etc and no one gives a shit about it, never a minute of silence for them, but now it's your country and 7 years later you can't get over it. If this is tragic, then you should care as much for all that's happening in the rest of the world.
I'm sorry to break some hearts around here but unless you where directly affected by the attacks, 7 years later, it's time to get over it. And by direct I mean your close friends and family being victims.
You don't see me mourning the innocent people who died as a result of bombings here in Ireland. Or for another matter, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or otherwise. What makes the innocent American civilians who died any more important than them. I don't understand it. And that's just my honest opinion.
You don't see me mourning the innocent people who died as a result of bombings here in Ireland. Or for another matter, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or otherwise. What makes the innocent American civilians who died any more important than them. I don't understand it. And that's just my honest opinion.
What does that mean, exactly?
It means that relative to other super powers the United States has a superior ethical record.
