Second Amendment Question

[Mayhem]

According to The National Alliance of Mental Illness, 1 in 17 Americans have serious mental health issues (bipoloar, etc). http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Section=About_Mental_Illness&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=53155

There have been estimates that 1 in 4 Americans own firearms.

Why then, if those with mental illness are the cause of all the mass shootings, are there not more shootings?

The people of are doing these shotings are not the captain of the football or basketball team, or on the Honor Society or student govt. These people, for whatever reason, are in a status they feel they should be and blame others. The example I give is the thought process as those who kill themselves by jumping in the path of a subway train during rush hour. They can't make their mark in life, so they make sure everyone will remember them in their final moments of life.

One way we might help lessen the numbers is by not giving the shooters what they what, by not mentioning their name everyday. Besides mentioning who they are initially, during the beginning of the trial, and sentencing, don't mention them by name. We know the name of Adam Lanza, John Lee Muhammed (D.C. Sniper), etc. Who can name their victims? Maybe if we give them the airtime instead of the shooter, maybe at least the copycats will see there is nothing gain because there will be no noteriety.

I like how you're thinking but, there's simply no effing way.

You don't have your age posted. I'm 47. When I was a kid there were 3 networks, plus PBS, plus a couple of channels on UHF (if you don't know what UHF is, you'll have to do your own digging. I'm not going to try to explain other than to say it was the precursor to local-access cable). That was it.

Now you have so many different organizations (news, sports, politics, every-damn-thing-else), all jockeying for relevance. There is simply no way that every single detail of every single story isn't going to get hashed and re-hashed. To use one, off-topic example: Back in the day, I doubt the Tiger Woods divorce fisco would have gotten more than a mention. These days it's a mini-series.

When these shootings occur, they are going to get massive attention, and as you say, this attention is going to spur other deranged individuals to do the same thing. And it sucks.

 

[bahodeme]

I like how you're thinking but, there's simply no effing way.

You don't have your age posted. I'm 47. When I was a kid there were 3 networks, plus PBS, plus a couple of channels on UHF (if you don't know what UHF is, you'll have to do your own digging. I'm not going to try to explain other than to say it was the precursor to local-access cable). That was it.

Now you have so many different organizations (news, sports, politics, every-damn-thing-else), all jockeying for relevance. There is simply no way that every single detail of every single story isn't going to get hashed and re-hashed. To use one, off-topic example: Back in the day, I doubt the Tiger Woods divorce fisco would have gotten more than a mention. These days it's a mini-series.

When these shootings occur, they are going to get massive attention, and as you say, this attention is going to spur other deranged individuals to do the same thing. And it sucks.

Will be 47 in August. Your definitely right right about the media standpoint. One of the things that have changed is news has to now compete with entertainment shows in ratings. Which is why you see more celebirty stories than in the past.

 

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According to The National Alliance of Mental Illness, 1 in 17 Americans have serious mental health issues (bipoloar, etc). There have been estimates that 1 in 4 Americans own firearms. Why then, if those with mental illness are the cause of all the mass shootings, are there not more shootings?

Along the same lines-

 

[bahodeme]

Along the same lines-

I forgot to add how many violent games were sold here and around the world in my post.

 

[Straight Shooter]

According to The National Alliance of Mental Illness, 1 in 17 Americans have serious mental health issues (bipoloar, etc). http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Section=About_Mental_Illness&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=53155

There have been estimates that 1 in 4 Americans own firearms.

Why then, if those with mental illness are the cause of all the mass shootings, are there not more shootings?

Along the same lines-

All good points. Let me add to this by saying why do countries such as the U.K and Canada, who have the same violent video games and movies that we do, have much lower rates of gun violence than the U.S?

 

[Mayhem]

All good points. Let me add to this by saying why do countries such as the U.K and Canada, who have the same violent video games and movies that we do, have much lower rates of gun violence than the U.S?

Territorialism, racial discord, and a weak criminal justice system. Other countries can merely catch up to the melting pot that is the US. And it's taking them long enough to do it. American cities have every nationality, religion and race. It's the way we wanted it (well some of us), but there is no denying that it is where many, if not most of our problems come from. And it's not just black, hispanic and Korean. The Irish and Italians used to slug it out too.

Anyway, this is an ever-present and ongoing part of the American culture where it isn't with Canada, UK, France, etc.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Territorialism, racial discord, and a weak criminal justice system. Other countries can merely catch up to the melting pot that is the US. And it's taking them long enough to do it. American cities have every nationality, religion and race. It's the way we wanted it (well some of us), but there is no denying that it is where many, if not most of our problems come from. And it's not just black, hispanic and Korean. The Irish and Italians used to slug it out too.

Anyway, this is an ever-present and ongoing part of the American culture where it isn't with Canada, UK, France, etc.

XD

You really don't know much about Canada.

 

[Mayhem]

XD

You really don't know much about Canada.

My mother and her entire side of the family is Canadian. My grandfather served in both World Wars in the RCN. Summer vacations were spent in Canada. I've driven across Canada from Saskatchwan to Vancouver Island at least 8 times. I know Kamloops, Penticton, Abbotsford, Vancouver, Sydney and Victoria.

And I know that Canadians get their panties in a knot every time their country is mentioned in anything less than glowing terms.

Next question?

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

My mother and her entire side of the family is Canadian. My grandfather served in both World Wars in the RCN. Summer vacations were spent in Canada. I've driven across Canada from Saskatchwan to Vancouver Island at least 8 times. I know Kamloops, Penticton, Abbotsford, Vancouver, Sydney and Victoria.

And I know that Canadians get their panties in a knot every time their country is mentioned in anything less than glowing terms.

Next question?

And yet you don't know that Canada has a large immigrant population. In Toronto alone more than 45 percent of the population are visible minorities, and a fraction over fifty percent are non-Canadian born immigrants. This is generally due to a very open immigration policy.

 

[Mayhem]

And yet you don't know that Canada has a large immigrant population. In Toronto alone more than 45 percent of the population are visible minorities, and a fraction over fifty percent are non-Canadian born immigrants. This is generally due to a very open immigration policy.

I do know this. I also know that the European countries can say the same thing......now. But don't suggest to me that you have hispanics like we have hispanics. Don't tell me that you have Mexicans disliking Puerto Ricans, Salvadorans staring down Guatemalans. Don't tell me that you have Greek versus Turk versus Armenian, like we do. And don't tell me you have a 200 year history of it either.

What you have is Asians...and shitloads of them. Yes, you have other ethnicities but the "large immigrant population" you're trying to get all finger-pointy-bent-out-of-shape at me about is primarily Asian. And that's a whole different cultural reality unto itself.

Again, I know Canada.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

I do know this. I also know that the European countries can say the same thing......now. But don't suggest to me that you have hispanics like we have hispanics. Don't tell me that you have Mexicans disliking Puerto Ricans, Salvadorans staring down Guatemalans. Don't tell me that you have Greek versus Turk versus Armenian, like we do. And don't tell me you have a 200 year history of it either.

What you have is Asians...and shitloads of them. Yes, you have other ethnicities but the "large immigrant population" you're trying to get all finger-pointy-bent-out-of-shape at me about is primarily Asian. And that's a whole different cultural reality unto itself.

Again, I know Canada.

Actually Canada does have pretty much all of the listed groups in relatively large numbers (comparatively), with the exception of Mexicans.

For instance, percentage wise Toronto has a larger Greek and Turk population than New York (though you're looking at a case of fractions of a percent, since both are tiny minorities).

 

[Mayhem]

You do realize that I wasn't saying anything bad about Canada, don't you? Do you realize that I really wasn't talking about you at all? I was talking about the US. I mean seriously, what the fuck is up with this national inferiority complex with you people? This has happened time and time again. No matter what is said, or in what context, the moment the word "Canada" is mentioned, you guys instantly go to red alert. I wish I could make money off of this. Play "Spot the Canadian". Just look for whoever is offended and I win.

I was talking about the US. But hey, if you want to tell the class how your gang problem is worse than ours, how more of your citizens are dying, how incompetent your criminal justice system is; have at'er jackhammer. Tell us how Toronto is the new Chicago, how Winnipeg makes LA look like a bunch of vegan hippies, and how Nova Scotia makes strong Texans weep like little girls with envy. I stand corrected.

 

[Mayhem]

Yaayyyy! Double post for a change!

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

You do realize that I wasn't saying anything bad about Canada, don't you?

Didn't say you were. Don't really care if you were. What matters is accuracy. You suggested that, among others, Canada doesn't have to deal with a plethora of immigrants. They do. And a rather diverse group. Thus suggesting that a large part of the reason that these problems are lesser there is due to lacking that issue, well, that's just wrong. While I'm not saying that levels of gun control is the deciding factor (it could be cultural attitudes, it could be economic reasons, Hell it could be air quality... it's not like there's a ton of scientific data to point to causation) it's not the mere existence of immigrants nor any bone-deep enmity those groups share since were that the case you'd see Toronto with per capita crime rates close to or exceeding that of NYC, and yet you don't.

So while I can't say why Canada tends to have less crime, it's relatively safe to assume it's not an "immigrant issue" or lack thereof.

I was talking about the US. But hey, if you want to tell the class how your gang problem is worse than ours, how more of your citizens are dying, how incompetent your criminal justice system is; have at'er jackhammer. Tell us how Toronto is the new Chicago, how Winnipeg makes LA look like a bunch of vegan hippies, and how Nova Scotia makes strong Texans weep like little girls with envy. I stand corrected.

Now why on Earth would I do that? I've said precisely nothing to suggest that Canada has a high crime rate, merely that they have a large number of immigrants. If they did have a high crime rate then you should be cheering, as it would actually support the bulk of your thesis that immigrants with cultural differences are a major issue.

 

[Mayhem]

So all you wanted to do was get into a pissing contest. Well, you win. You're better at pissing than I am.

Jeezus Tapdancing Christ, a person can't make a fucking point around here without some moronic asshole coming along and taking the tiniest part of what you wrote and blowing it completely out of proportion. Fine, you have immigrants. You're crawling with them. Hell, there's nothing but immigrants. Even the Native Americans are immigrants. Are you happy now, you dumbass little fuck? Is your point made yet? What else can I do to make you happy? Tell me. Or do I just have to resign myself to you being a pissy little bitch over every thing I post in here?

And in case you lost track, we were talking about the 2nd Amendment here. But no, lets make sure we fuckin' sidetrack to your immigrant population, because that's what's in the fuckin' headlines these days.

Like I said before, every one of you, every fucking Canadian I meet, THIS is what happens.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

So all you wanted to do was get into a pissing contest.

No, I wanted to correct you.

Jeezus Tapdancing Christ, a person can't make a fucking point around here without some moronic asshole coming along and taking the tiniest part of what you wrote and blowing it completely out of proportion.

The tiniest part of what you wrote? It was the bulk of the post I responded to:

Territorialism, racial discord, and a weak criminal justice system. Other countries can merely catch up to the melting pot that is the US. And it's taking them long enough to do it. American cities have every nationality, religion and race. It's the way we wanted it (well some of us), but there is no denying that it is where many, if not most of our problems come from. And it's not just black, hispanic and Korean. The Irish and Italians used to slug it out too.

Anyway, this is an ever-present and ongoing part of the American culture where it isn't with Canada, UK, France, etc.

That's not a small part blown out of proportion...

Like I said before, every one of you, every fucking Canadian I meet, THIS is what happens.

Every time you meet a Canadian they correct your factual errors then you flip out for no apparent reason? I've been perfectly calm and rational in my responses. You've been defensive, derogatory and openly insulting. I'm honestly not sure whether you're so threatened at the idea of being proven wrong that you just automatically respond with irrational hostility, or whether you're just kind of a jerk. I'll let you sort that out with your therapist.

 

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Like I said before, every one of you, every fucking Canadian I meet, THIS is what happens.

It's quite common. I think Canadians would do better to compare themselves to California than with the United States as a whole, but even then, California has a bigger population and a larger economy. lol

 

[bahodeme]

All good points. Let me add to this by saying why do countries such as the U.K and Canada, who have the same violent video games and movies that we do, have much lower rates of gun violence than the U.S?

Because there is enough moose, caribou, and other woodland creatures to take out one's frustrations one? They vent their anger inside the hockey ring?

Besides their gun laws, which I think you are implying, I wonder how their media covers events like this. I remember a couple of instances I believe in Toronto a few years ago. I wonder how this was covered. The same with Great Britain with a school shooting they had a few years ago. I covered this point at the end in my earlier post.

The one thing I will say is it really does not matter if the shooter has a 5 round magazine or a 30 round magazine if the people around him is unarmed. If you really think that you can stop a competent shooter while reloading, that is unhealthy. This matters when both groups are shooting.

One more thing I like to add is when you see most of the mass shootings, it is to the same ethnic group of the shooter. So I really don't think race or immigration is the cause. You could argue this on the VA Tech shooting.