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GodsEmbryo

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^yes, consensus has anything to do with the scientific method.

why are you even citing consensus when it's irrelevant to what is true or false?

make your claim based on the evidence regardless of how many people agree with you.

scientists: "Based on the evidence we find the climate is changing and it's man made"
doubter: "Oh yeah? I found an internet blog that says it doesn't so not all scientists agree. There is no consensus"
scientists: "Well, let's do a study on that. We find that 98% of all studies made agree that the climate is changing and it's man made"
doubter: "Oh yeah? I don't agree with that, it's flawed"
scientists: "Well, let's do a study on that to see if all the studies saying that 98% agrees are flawed. We find that they aren't flawed"
doubter: "Oh yeah? Why don't you make claims based on the evidence regardless of how many people agree with you"
scientists: "Based on the evidence we find the climate is changing and it's man made"

repeat ad infinitum
 

GodsEmbryo

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Computers in your clothes? A milestone for wearable electronics

Clothes that receive and transmit digital information are closer to reality
Published on April 13, 2016

COLUMBUS, Ohio State University - Researchers who are working to develop wearable electronics have reached a milestone: They are able to embroider circuits into fabric with 0.1 mm precision—the perfect size to integrate electronic components such as sensors and computer memory devices into clothing.

With this advance, the Ohio State University researchers have taken the next step toward the design of functional textiles—clothes that gather, store, or transmit digital information. With further development, the technology could lead to shirts that act as antennas for your smart phone or tablet, workout clothes that monitor your fitness level, sports equipment that monitors athletes’ performance, a bandage that tells your doctor how well the tissue beneath it is healing—or even a flexible fabric cap that senses activity in the brain.
Source and rest of article: https://news.osu.edu/news/2016/04/13/computers-in-your-clothes-a-milestone-for-wearable-electronics/
 
scientists: "Based on the evidence we find the climate is changing and it's man made"
doubter: "Oh yeah? I found an internet blog that says it doesn't so not all scientists agree. There is no consensus"
scientists: "Well, let's do a study on that. We find that 98% of all studies made agree that the climate is changing and it's man made"
doubter: "Oh yeah? I don't agree with that, it's flawed"
scientists: "Well, let's do a study on that to see if all the studies saying that 98% agrees are flawed. We find that they aren't flawed"
doubter: "Oh yeah? Why don't you make claims based on the evidence regardless of how many people agree with you"
scientists: "Based on the evidence we find the climate is changing and it's man made"

repeat ad infinitum

One more reply, and carry on with this cool thread. It only takes one counter-example to refute any theory and you know this. So consensus is worth two things - one of them is jack.
 

GodsEmbryo

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How the fuck am I even supposed to reply to this... "Counter-example to refute any theory"? No offense, but it's sentences like this that show you haven't even got a grasp of the basic scientific principles and terminology. So how do you even separate the wheat from the chaff when you are reading articles about and researching climate change?

Do you even KNOW what the other hypotheses were within the scientific community, apart from man-made? Solar activity and volcanic activity. That's basically it. NOT all that stuff you can read on the internet by self-proclaimed scientists, would-be experts and so called sceptics on mostly blogs. Did they disagree if climate change was man-made? Not necessarily. It was mostly a discussion what was first and what was second cause. Do you even KNOW what the LAST SCIENTIFIC body with some international standing was that opposed the view? The American Association of Petroleum Geologists. Theu dropped there stance to a non-committal position in 2007.

Which brings me to consensus... Do you even KNOW why people talk about consensus? Because people had/have the impression there was actually a debate going on within the scientific community. Consensus does not mean that scientists are not sure and had a debate. The only debate there is, is outside of the scientific community because of self-proclaimed scientists, would-be experts and so called sceptics.

To quote the Doran study 2009:

"It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."

Hence why you have these studies showing to the public there is no debate, apart from a debate outside of the scientific community.

[...] It only takes one counter-example to refute any theory and you know this. [...]

A counter-example wouldn't change shit. It takes empirical evidence based on observation and experimentation to refute usually a hypothesis. A theory is not that easily refuted since the hypotheses, laws etc leading up to the theory withstood all kinds of testing.

Sorry, had to reply with my usual rant. Not saying that your answer was stupid... but it was stupid. Now, lets carry on shall we?
 
How the fuck am I even supposed to reply to this... "Counter-example to refute any theory"? No offense, but it's sentences like this that show you haven't even got a grasp of the basic scientific principles and terminology. So how do you even separate the wheat from the chaff when you are reading articles about and researching climate change?

Do you even KNOW what the other hypotheses were within the scientific community, apart from man-made? Solar activity and volcanic activity. That's basically it. NOT all that stuff you can read on the internet by self-proclaimed scientists, would-be experts and so called sceptics on mostly blogs. Did they disagree if climate change was man-made? Not necessarily. It was mostly a discussion what was first and what was second cause. Do you even KNOW what the LAST SCIENTIFIC body with some international standing was that opposed the view? The American Association of Petroleum Geologists. Theu dropped there stance to a non-committal position in 2007.

Which brings me to consensus... Do you even KNOW why people talk about consensus? Because people had/have the impression there was actually a debate going on within the scientific community. Consensus does not mean that scientists are not sure and had a debate. The only debate there is, is outside of the scientific community because of self-proclaimed scientists, would-be experts and so called sceptics.

To quote the Doran study 2009:



Hence why you have these studies showing to the public there is no debate, apart from a debate outside of the scientific community.



A counter-example wouldn't change shit. It takes empirical evidence based on observation and experimentation to refute usually a hypothesis. A theory is not that easily refuted since the hypotheses, laws etc leading up to the theory withstood all kinds of testing.

Sorry, had to reply with my usual rant. Not saying that your answer was stupid... but it was stupid. Now, lets carry on shall we?

You're right, I might not have a total grasp of scientific principle and I certainly don't know it's terminology, but just bear with this simpleton.

You keep bringing up "within the scientific community" i.e, consensus. Has there ever been an instance when the consensus of the scientific community has been wrong? (we can get into that if you'd like). Which was my point all along.

The only debate there is, is outside of the scientific community because of self-proclaimed scientists, would-be experts and so called sceptics.

would that include yourself?
 
Today I learned that there's an International Potato Center.

The Wall Street Journal: NASA Really Is Trying to Grow Potatoes on Mars

PAMPAS DE LA JOYA, Peru—As humans prepare to blast off to Mars, there is still the question of what they’ll eat once they colonize the red planet. Scientists who have traveled here to the Peruvian desert say they have the answer. Potatoes.

Researchers at the Lima-based International Potato Center and scientists at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are studying which type of potato could be best suited for extraterrestrial farming to support a human settlement on Mars. If everything goes as planned, the Martian colonies could be munching on french fries, chips and mashed potatoes one day.

“It’s got to be a Martian potato that tastes good,” Julio Valdivia-Silva, a Peruvian astrobiologist with NASA, said while surveying the reddish-brown desert on a trip to collect soil. “It’s a big challenge to take a living organism somewhere else. We’ve never done this before.”
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Scientific Consensus Redux
Looking back, it turns out that a lot of scientific consensuses were wrong.

Ronald Bailey | June 29, 2010


Last week, the prestigious journal, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, published an article that tried to assess the relative credibility of climate scientists who “support the tenets of anthropogenic climate change” versus those who do not. One goal of the study is to “provide an independent assessment of level of scientific consensus concerning anthropogenic climate change.” The researchers found that 97–98 percent of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field are convinced of man-made climate change. In addition, using publication and citation data, the study found that the few climate change dissenters are far less scientifically prominent than convinced researchers. The article concludes, “This extensive analysis of the mainstream versus skeptical/contrarian researchers suggests a strong role for considering expert credibility in the relative weight of and attention to these groups of researchers in future discussions in media, policy, and public forums regarding anthropogenic climate change.” Translation: reporters, politicians, and citizens should stop listening to climate change skeptics.

Naturally, there has been some pushback against the article. For example, Georgia Institute of Technology climatologist Judith Curry who was not pigeonholed in the study told ScienceInsider, “This is a completely unconvincing analysis.” One of the chief objections to the findings is that peer review is stacked in favor of the consensus view, locking skeptics out of publishing in major scientific journals. John Christy, a prominent climate change researcher at the University of Alabama in Huntsville who is skeptical of catastrophic claims, asserted that because of “the tight interdependency between funding, reviewers, popularity. ... We [skeptical researchers] are being ‘black‑listed,’ as best I can tell, by our colleagues.”

This fight over credibility prompted me to wonder about the role that the concept of a “scientific consensus” has played out in earlier policy debates. We all surely want our decisions to be guided by the best possible information. Consider the overwhelming consensus among researchers that biotech crops are safe for humans and the environment—a conclusion that is rejected by the very environmentalist organizations that loudly insist on the policy relevance of the scientific consensus on global warming. But I digress.

Taking a lead from the PNAS researchers I decided to mine the “literature” on the history of uses of the phrase “scientific consensus.” I restricted my research to Nexis searches of major world publications, figuring that’s where mainstream views would be best represented. So how has the phrase “scientific consensus” been used in past policy debates?

read his findings here: http://reason.com/archives/2010/06/29/agreeing-to-agree

And one should always worry about to what degree supporters of any given scientific consensus risk succumbing to confirmation bias. In any case, the credibility of scientific research is not ultimately determined by how many researchers agree with it or how often it is cited by like-minded colleagues, but whether or not it conforms to reality.

and this from a guy who agrees with anthrosomethingorother climate change.
 

GodsEmbryo

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You're right, I might not have a total grasp of scientific principle and I certainly don't know it's terminology, but just bear with this simpleton.

You keep bringing up "within the scientific community" i.e, consensus. Has there ever been an instance when the consensus of the scientific community has been wrong? (we can get into that if you'd like). Which was my point all along.

Sure. It would be foolish to say a "consensus" is always right. And if that's your point, you are correct. But I think you are missing my point. No, you are not a simpleton, I'm not always able to get my thoughts accross in a well structured and clear way. So let me try again...

If the science and the evidence is sound why the need to bring up consensus?

The reason why there is talk of consensus in the first place is to counter the argument of these so called sceptics that there is a debate among scientists and that they don't agree. By providing studies the scientific community is trying to show this debate is largely non existent. Nothing more, nothing less. It does not say "we think it's true because there is a consensus", it says "we actually do agree". The reason why this debate is non existent is that there is more then enough evidence for climate change and that the main cause is human. The reason why there is now this study about "consensus on consensus" is because so called sceptics were doubting these studies.

Nobody is saying: "the discussion is over because there is consensus". Got it? The discussion is over because there is evidence.

The only debate there is, is outside of the scientific community because of self-proclaimed scientists, would-be experts and so called sceptics.
would that include yourself?

:) Not really. I call myself well-informed. I actually do take the time to do my research, especially if something interests me. You might have figured this out from a thread you once posted (http://board.freeones.com/showthrea...-Founder-quot-Why-I-am-a-climate-skeptic-quot). I do go to the library. I do extensive searching on the internet. I do read scientific papers and articles. I do check the authors and the background of a website. I do study what it says to my best abillities. I do write letters to scientists and universities to ask for information. Which is much more then others who just read a blog and start screaming rape and murder.

read his findings here: http://reason.com/archives/2010/06/29/agreeing-to-agree

and this from a guy who agrees with anthrosomethingorother climate change.

I actually do agree with what he writes, although we could have an extensive discussion about what consensus means in all those examples he gives and I don't have the time nor interest to do that. And it's not the point anyway.
 

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Breakthrough Starshot: Stephen Hawking, Yuri Milner Announce Plan to Reach Alpha Centauri

Apr 14, 2016 by Natali Anderson

Theoretical physicist Prof. Stephen Hawking and science philanthropist Yuri Milner unveiled this week a new initiative, called Breakthrough Starshot, to send light-propelled nanocrafts toward Alpha Centauri.

Breakthrough Starshot is a $100 million research and engineering program aiming to demonstrate proof of concept for light-propelled nanocrafts. These could fly at 20 percent of light speed and capture images of possible planets and other scientific data in the Alpha Centauri system just over 20 years after their launch.

The program will be led by Pete Worden, the former director of NASA’s AMES Research Center, and advised by a committee of world-class scientists and engineers. The board will consist of Prof. Hawking, Milner, and Mark Zuckerberg, Founder and CEO, Facebook.

[...]

Breakthrough Starshot’s research and engineering phase is expected to last several years. Following that, development of the ultimate mission to Alpha Centauri would require a budget comparable to the largest current scientific experiments, and would involve:

(i) building a ground-based kilometer-scale light beamer at high altitude in dry conditions;
(ii) generating and storing a few gigawatt hours of energy per launch;
(iii) launching a ‘mothership’ carrying thousands of nanocrafts to a high-altitude orbit;
(iv) taking advantage of adaptive optics technology in real time to compensate for atmospheric effects;
(v) focusing the light beam on the lightsail to accelerate individual nanocrafts to the target speed within minutes;
(vi) accounting for interstellar dust collisions en route to the target;
(vii) capturing images of planet(s) in the Alpha Centauri system, and other scientific data, and transmitting them back to Earth using a compact on-board laser communications system;
(viii) using the same light beamer that launched the nanocrafts to receive data from them over four years later.

Source and rest of article: http://www.sci-news.com/space/breakthrough-starshot-plan-alpha-centauri-03785.html
Their webite: http://breakthroughinitiatives.org/
 

Mandy Flores

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Two questions...

Scientists seem to be in "consensus" that global warming happens roughly every ten years (I only know this from An Inconvenient Truth so excuse me if that is not the case) and we are roughly 10,000 years from the last one, wouldn't that indicate that this is not man made or caused by man? No question it is aggravated and the intensity will be far beyond the most recent global warmings, but why is there such a desire to label it as "man made" when the Earth has always done this?

secondly,

I love space exploration and am in awe of the images and discoveries, but couldn't we help our civilization by putting that money and those amazing scientists on something like Cancer, growing crops without pesticides, getting the plastic out of the oceans, or just helping the people in our country who need help? I used to manage a market that accepted food stamps and I would have elderly couples and war veterans come in there with the monthly allotment of <$45 for food each month and it just kills me to think of how much money just goes away so we can have pretty pictures of space and try to guess about things that we have no control over and really have benefited us zero. Searching for water on Mars? I get that. Satellites in space? Absolutely a benefit to us, but deep space exploration? I just wish we would handle the tremendous issues here on Earth before we go off and use all these resources for something that will likely have no real effect for us other than knowing about places we will never go to. It's like deciding to build a million dollar RV to go off into the desert in hopes you find something cool while your mortgage and medical bills are unpaid and your yard is turning toxic because you don't spend the money to clean it up.

Outside of that... that Mt St Helens stuff was awesome (in my back yard practically), and the thought that something can travel at 20% of light speed is amazing!
 

GodsEmbryo

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Scientists seem to be in "consensus" that global warming happens roughly every ten years (I only know this from An Inconvenient Truth so excuse me if that is not the case) and we are roughly 10,000 years from the last one, wouldn't that indicate that this is not man made or caused by man?

It's been ages since I watched an inconvenient truth. Your question is a little confusing but I assume you mean the Earth has warmed and cooled in the past on a regular basis. These are called the Milankovitch cycles. The Milankovitch cycles will change the weather on a regular basis over a longer period of time because of 3 things: the change in tilting of the axis of the Earth (obliquity), the wobbling of the axis (precession) and the stretching and squeezing of the eliptical orbit of the Earth. Just like the tilt of the Earth is responsible for the seasons, these three changes in the Earth's movement will cause changes in the weather as well but over a longer time (not exactly like seasons but you get the gist) leading to for example Ice Ages. Scientists know these orbital changes are not behind today's global warming because these parameters dictates we should be cooling now, not warming.
More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

I assume by that 10 year cycle you are referring to solar cycles. This is a periodic change in the Sun's activity with difference in output of radiation (among other things). Changes in solar radiation can cause a global temperature change because of an imbalance in energy, for example the energy changes in UV can have an influence on production and loss of ozone. Because the Sun is in a cooling trend the last decades while the Earth is getting warmer, scientists know the warmng of the Earth must have another source.
More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle

No question it is aggravated and the intensity will be far beyond the most recent global warmings, but why is there such a desire to label it as "man made" when the Earth has always done this?

The Earth has indeed always known long periods of cooling and warming. Science is basically observing and describing, and if something doesn't add up scientist will search for an explanation. I wouldn't call it a desire. This suggests biased scientists want to point fingers at mankind ignoring other possibilities while in fact it has been a process of researching several hypotheses. Much like a crime scene with suspects where you have eventually one perpetrator. We know it's mankind. One of the reasons is CO2, in particular the isotopes of carbon: C12, C13 and C14.

The radioactive isotope Carbon-14 is produced in the upper layers of the stratosphere by collisions between neutrons and Nitrogen. It has a half life of about 5000-something years but atmospheric C14 gets replenished all the time so the concentration is fairly constant. C14 underground however does not get replenished. Man-made chemicals derived from fossil fuels (petroleum, coal, ...) will be greatly depleted of C14. It can therefore be used in measuring the relative contribution of this element tot the total C02 in a given region of the atmosphere. Meaning: when large quantities of CO2 from a long-buried source are added to the atmosphere it will result in a significant decline in C14 concentration. And this is what measurements shows: the source of the increased concentration of CO2 is fossil carbon, either from volcanoes or from fossil fuels. Studies however show that vulcanic eruptions are releasing only a fraction of human CO2 emissions.

C13 and C12 are stable isotopes. Plants will find it easier to take up more C12 than C13, and this differential intake can be used as an isotopic signature since the ratio of C12 and C13 in the atmosphere is different. It would also be different from the signature from CO2 from volcanoes and CO2 outgassing from oceans. In other words: if an increased level of C12 is found in the ratio C13/C12 in the atmospheric C02 it is very strong evidence that the CO2 is comming from burning of fossil fuels. And that is what they find.

Which brings me back to your question. Like you said the "Earth has always done this". Scientists know what impact it had on the planet by studying what happened. So it's important to know if (and that) it's man made and what the effects will be if mankind keeps going this course.
 

Mandy Flores

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It's been ages since I watched an inconvenient truth. Your question is a little confusing but I assume you mean the Earth has warmed and cooled in the past on a regular basis. These are called the Milankovitch cycles. The Milankovitch cycles will change the weather on a regular basis over a longer period of time because of 3 things: the change in tilting of the axis of the Earth (obliquity), the wobbling of the axis (precession) and the stretching and squeezing of the eliptical orbit of the Earth. Just like the tilt of the Earth is responsible for the seasons, these three changes in the Earth's movement will cause changes in the weather as well but over a longer time (not exactly like seasons but you get the gist) leading to for example Ice Ages. Scientists know these orbital changes are not behind today's global warming because these parameters dictates we should be cooling now, not warming.
More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

I assume by that 10 year cycle you are referring to solar cycles. This is a periodic change in the Sun's activity with difference in output of radiation (among other things). Changes in solar radiation can cause a global temperature change because of an imbalance in energy, for example the energy changes in UV can have an influence on production and loss of ozone. Because the Sun is in a cooling trend the last decades while the Earth is getting warmer, scientists know the warmng of the Earth must have another source.
More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle



The Earth has indeed always known long periods of cooling and warming. Science is basically observing and describing, and if something doesn't add up scientist will search for an explanation. I wouldn't call it a desire. This suggests biased scientists want to point fingers at mankind ignoring other possibilities while in fact it has been a process of researching several hypotheses. Much like a crime scene with suspects where you have eventually one perpetrator. We know it's mankind. One of the reasons is CO2, in particular the isotopes of carbon: C12, C13 and C14.

The radioactive isotope Carbon-14 is produced in the upper layers of the stratosphere by collisions between neutrons and Nitrogen. It has a half life of about 5000-something years but atmospheric C14 gets replenished all the time so the concentration is fairly constant. C14 underground however does not get replenished. Man-made chemicals derived from fossil fuels (petroleum, coal, ...) will be greatly depleted of C14. It can therefore be used in measuring the relative contribution of this element tot the total C02 in a given region of the atmosphere. Meaning: when large quantities of CO2 from a long-buried source are added to the atmosphere it will result in a significant decline in C14 concentration. And this is what measurements shows: the source of the increased concentration of CO2 is fossil carbon, either from volcanoes or from fossil fuels. Studies however show that vulcanic eruptions are releasing only a fraction of human CO2 emissions.

C13 and C12 are stable isotopes. Plants will find it easier to take up more C12 than C13, and this differential intake can be used as an isotopic signature since the ratio of C12 and C13 in the atmosphere is different. It would also be different from the signature from CO2 from volcanoes and CO2 outgassing from oceans. In other words: if an increased level of C12 is found in the ratio C13/C12 in the atmospheric C02 it is very strong evidence that the CO2 is comming from burning of fossil fuels. And that is what they find.

Which brings me back to your question. Like you said the "Earth has always done this". Scientists know what impact it had on the planet by studying what happened. So it's important to know if (and that) it's man made and what the effects will be if mankind keeps going this course.

Fantastic, well thought out and informative response! To me the bottom line is, rather man instigated or a natural cycle, there is no question if we continue as we have it will only worsen things. That is where the message and research should focus. The fact that it is deemed man made is what really turns a lot of people away from the real problem, which is the intensity and duration of this global warming period may starve off most of the planet. It's going to be interesting to see if the blanket of clouds created by the rising temperature of the oceans will further insulate us or start a cooling trend. In either case the crops will be affected. We are one terrible season away from having empty produce departments and 2 terrible seasons away from depleted canned and frozen food. It's going to be interesting.
 

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Cosmic dust reveals Earth's ancient atmosphere

Public Release: 11 May 2016

Using the oldest fossil micrometeorites - space dust - ever found, Monash University-led research has made a surprising discovery about the chemistry of Earth's atmosphere 2.7 billion years ago. The findings of a new study published today in the journal Nature [...] challenge the accepted view that Earth's ancient atmosphere was oxygen-poor. The findings indicate instead that the ancient Earth's upper atmosphere contained about the same amount of oxygen as today, and that a methane haze layer separated this oxygen-rich upper layer from the oxygen-starved lower atmosphere.

Dr Tomkins explained how the team extracted micrometeorites from samples of ancient limestone collected in the Pilbara region in Western Australia and examined them at the Monash Centre for Electron Microscopy (MCEM) and the Australian Synchrotron.

"Using cutting-edge microscopes we found that most of the micrometeorites had once been particles of metallic iron - common in meteorites - that had been turned into iron oxide minerals in the upper atmosphere, indicating higher concentrations of oxygen than expected," Dr Tomkins said.

"This was an exciting result because it is the first time anyone has found a way to sample the chemistry of the ancient Earth's upper atmosphere," Dr Tomkins said.

Imperial College researcher Dr Matthew Genge - an expert in modern cosmic dust - performed calculations that showed oxygen concentrations in the upper atmosphere would need to be close to modern day levels to explain the observations.

"This was a surprise because it has been firmly established that the Earth's lower atmosphere was very poor in oxygen 2.7 billion years ago; how the upper atmosphere could contain so much oxygen before the appearance of photosynthetic organisms was a real puzzle," Dr Genge said.

Dr Tomkins explained that the new results suggest the Earth at this time may have had a layered atmosphere with little vertical mixing, and higher levels of oxygen in the upper atmosphere produced by the breakdown of CO 2 by ultraviolet light.

"A possible explanation for this layered atmosphere might have involved a methane haze layer at middle levels of the atmosphere. The methane in such a layer would absorb UV light, releasing heat and creating a warm zone in the atmosphere that would inhibit vertical mixing," Dr Tomkins said.

"It is incredible to think that by studying fossilised particles of space dust the width of a human hair, we can gain new insights into the chemical makeup of Earth's upper atmosphere, billions of years ago." Dr Tomkins said.

Dr Tomkins outlined next steps in the research.

"The next stage of our research will be to extract micrometeorites from a series of rocks covering over a billion years of Earth's history in order to learn more about changes in atmospheric chemistry and structure across geological time. We will focus particularly on the great oxidation event, which happened 2.4 billion years ago when there was a sudden jump in oxygen concentration in the lower atmosphere."

Source and complete aticle: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-05/mu-cdr051016.php
 

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Radar data of comet P/2016 BA14 taken over three days (March 21—23, 2016), when the comet was between 2.5 million miles and 2.2 million miles (4.1 million kilometers and 3.6 million kilometers) from Earth.
Radar images and data from the flyby indicated that the comet is about 3,000 feet (1 kilometer) in diameter.
Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/GSSR
 
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