Santorum: McCain doesn't understand interrogation

The latest pearl of wisdom from the same clown who claimed WMDs had been found in Iraq...:facepalm:

No wonder this yah:yahoo::yahoo: lost by the largest margin ever by an incumbent. Good enough for Foxpert though...:yesyes::turnturn:

WASHINGTON – Former Sen. Rick Santorum said Tuesday that Sen. John McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years enduring brutal treatment at the hands of his North Vietnamese captors, doesn't know how effective waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques can be. The Republican presidential contender insisted the tactics led the United States to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a speech last week that waterboarding al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, did not provide information that led to bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.

McCain said he asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and that the hunt for bin Laden did not begin with fresh information from Mohammed. In fact, the name of bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, came from a detainee held in another country.

"Not only did the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed, it actually produced false and misleading information," McCain said.

In an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt on Tuesday, Santorum said McCain was wrong.

"Everything I've read shows that we would not have gotten this information as to who this man was if it had not been gotten information from people who were subject to enhanced interrogation," Santorum said. "And so this idea that we didn't ask that question while Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was being waterboarded, he (McCain) doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works.

"I mean, you break somebody, and after they're broken, they become cooperative. And that's when we got this information. And one thing led to another, and led to another, and that's how we ended up with bin Laden," said Santorum.

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move along folks, nothing to see here.

Too funny...^^^sorta reminds me of your youtube posts of Trump saying a whole lot of nothing. (But at least he had conviction:rolleyes:). :1orglaugh:clap:
 

Jon S.

Banned
As a native Pennsylvanian, I would like to personally apologize to the world for having given you Rick Santorum! With some people I believe the whole "I'm an idiot/lunatic" thing is a put on......with Rick, I believe what you see is what you get! When I was in college, he came to speak at my school.....everyone who saw him said how unimpressed they were with him. I remember he was saying about the need to cut federal financial aid for college students. Not that this is too surprising, Rick is the typical kind of douche who took full advantage of every program under the sun and then when he "made it" he wanted to cut the very programs that made him what he is. Of course, if memory serves me correctly, he also declared bankruptcy to wipe out his student loans....back in the days when you ACTUALLY could still do that....before douches like Rick changed the rules (since they already took advantage of them).

Bottom line, Rick is a MORON......and this native Pennsylvanian says "we're sorry!!!" Hey, we didn't give him the nickname "Rick Sanatorium" for nothing! Ha ha ha!
 
never liked Rick Santorum. He came along at the right time, in the midst of a conservative uprising in his state, which is how he got elected to the Senate in the first place. there was alot about him i didnt like but i wasnt surprised in the least that he got un-elected in the middle of an election cycle the Dems dominated, the most radical conservatives like him were the biggest victims.

but on the subject....John McCain is one of the few politicians who actually knows what he talks about, anyone who questions his wisdom to me is just ignorant. Always been a big McCain fan. I know Rick Santorum is just saying what he thinks, but this is one case where its just better to shut up rather than to say anything. I wish Rick Santorum had vanished completely after being voted out of office. As for his aspiring presidential campaign, going nowhere...end of story
 

bahodeme

Closed Account
I couldn't find the right words to describe what I thought of Mr. Santorum's view, so I hired a spokesperson.



Perfect.
 

Jon S.

Banned
Yeah, there is an old joke about Pennsylvania......you have Pittsburgh in the west, and Philadelphia in the east, AND Alabama in the middle. Rick scored fairly well in "Alabama" for awhile. You should have seen the campaign ads he ran when he first ran for and was elected to the Senate. They were soooooo bad, you wouldn't have thought he could have gotten elected dog catcher. As far as Rick being "made of stupid".....that is actually an insult to "stupid" and stupid people everywhere! Ha ha ha!

But to Rick's "credit," unlike with some people.....I don't believe IT'S an act! Ha ha ha!
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Too funny...^^^sorta reminds me of your youtube posts of Trump saying a whole lot of nothing. (But at least he had conviction:rolleyes:). :1orglaugh:clap:

just one cotton pickin minute.
this thread
is about how waterbaording and the like doesn't work.
the implication behind it as usual is USA bad.
Which btw I disagree with, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do........haven't you seen dirty harry?
I'm on dirty harry and the little girls side and your on the side of the guy that was saying " that man had rights".
Its hardly an important issue.


My post on the trump interview was him speaking about very important issues that effect us all in big ways.
And like I said as least he's talking about them and not pretending they don't exist like most politicians do.

 
just one cotton pickin minute.
this thread
is about how waterbaording and the like doesn't work.
the implication behind it as usual is USA bad.
Which btw I disagree with, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do........haven't you seen dirty harry?
I'm on dirty harry and the little girls side and your on the side of the guy that was saying " that man had rights".
Its hardly an important issue.


My post on the trump interview was him speaking about very important issues that effect us all in big ways.
And like I said as least he's talking about them and not pretending they don't exist like most politicians do.

:dunno:Stands to reason that a person who hears what they want to hear from something will read what they want to from something as well.

FYI. The thread is about a former Senator well known for foot in mouth disease and saying all kinds of dumb shit suffering another bout with it.

Forget whether you think water boarding works or not...who is Santorum to try and tell McCain what interrogation, torture or interrogation under torture is like to understand??

'EPIC FAIL!!':ban2:
 

girk1

Closed Account
just one cotton pickin minute.
this thread
is about how waterbaording and the like doesn't work.
the implication behind it as usual is USA bad.
Which btw I disagree with, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do........haven't you seen dirty harry?
I'm on dirty harry and the little girls side and your on the side of the guy that was saying " that man had rights".
Its hardly an important issue.


My post on the trump interview was him speaking about very important issues that effect us all in big ways.
And like I said as least he's talking about them and not pretending they don't exist like most politicians do.




The only 'implication' I saw about this thread is that this Santorum is an idiot. As well as anyone who keeps defending torture in the face of evidence and first hand knowledge that it does NOT work.


Not surprising you use "Dirty Harry" to make some unknown point considering most of those who favor torture don't seem to want to deal with reality.

Torture doesn't work like in the movies Meester:facepalm: Wanna be Dirty Harrys only manage to get false 'confessions' most of the time because most people will say anything to stop torture.


And yes Trump was talking about very important issues , but not on a serious level.
The guy had very simplistic and unrealistic 'solutions' to very complicated/nuanced issues(Arnold Schwarzenegger wrongly thought Governing would be simplistic / easy as well).

Trumps simplistic 'solutions' only appealed to simpletons.:dunno:
 

Facetious

Moderated
The latest pearl of wisdom from the same clown who claimed WMDs had been found in Iraq...:facepalm:

There's nothing like a little encouragment-

Oh, Hans Blix and Scott Ridder knows where the wmds went . . . . syria... shhh! be vewy vewy quiet!

Top Democrats Support Attacking Iraq
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and
consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to
take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air
and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to
end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From
a letter signed by Joe Lieberman (D), Dianne Feinstein
(D), Barbara A. Milulski (D), Tom Daschle (D), & John
Kerry (D) October 9, 1998.


"This December will mark three years since United
Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no
doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has
reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate
that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status.
In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery
systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit
missile program to develop longer- range missiles that
will threaten the United States and our allies." Bob
Graham (D), Joe Lieberman (D), Harold Ford (D), & Tom
Lantos (D) December 6, 2001.


"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire
agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered
into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its
weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to
permit monitoring and verification by United Nations
inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of
mass destruction, including chemical and biological
capabilities, and has made positive progress toward
developing nuclear weapons capabilities" Tom Harkin
(D) and Arlen Specter (RINO) July 18, 2002.


"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N.
sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons
of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not
and we will not let him succeed." Madeline Albright
(D), 1998.


"Saddam will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he
will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since
1983" National Security Adviser Sandy Berger (D), Feb
18, 1998.


"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to
completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction,
and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its
agreement." Barbara Boxer (D), November 8, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October
of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained
some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons,
and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare
capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he
is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved
nuclear capability." Robert Byrd (D), October 2002.

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a
threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons.
He's had those for a long time. But the United States
right now is on a very much different defensive
posture than we were before September 11th of 2001...
He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear
capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads
yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think
our friends in the region would face greatly increased
risks as would we." Wesley Clark (D) on September 26,
2002.


"What is at stake is how to answer the potential
threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation
of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the
past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think
that, over the past four years, in the absence of
international inspectors, this country has continued
armament programs." *Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002.

"The community of nations may see more and more of the
very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with
weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or
provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond
today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his
footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." Bill Clinton
(D) in 1998.


"In the four years since the inspectors left,
intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has
worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and
sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members,
though there is apparently no evidence of his
involvement in the terrible events of September 11,
2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked,
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity
to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep
trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed
in that endeavor, he could alter the political and
security landscape of the Middle East, which as we
know all too well affects American security." Hillary
Clinton (D) October 10, 2002.


"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I
saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the
inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a
warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and
then moving those trucks out." Clinton's Secretary of
Defense William Cohen (D) in April of 2003.


"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess
weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation
with a leader who has used them against his own
people." Tom Daschle (D) 1998.

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to
America and our allies, including our vital ally,
Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has
sought weapons of mass destruction through every
available means. We know that he has chemical and
biological weapons. He has already used them against
his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to
build more. We know that he is doing everything he can
to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he
gets closer to achieving that goal." John Edwards (D)
Oct 10, 2002


"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is
about national security. It should be clear that our
national security requires Congress to send a clear
message to Iraq and the world: America is united in
its determination to eliminate forever the threat of
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." John Edwards (D)
Oct 10, 2002.


"I share the administration's goals in dealing with
Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." Dick
Gephardt (D) in September of 2002.


"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of
the Persian Gulf and we should organize an
international coalition to eliminate his access to
weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons
of mass destruction has proven impossible to
completely deter and we should assume that it will
continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore
(D) 2002.


"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling
evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a
number of years, a developing capacity for the
production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction." Bob Graham (D) December 2002.

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who
is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire
weapons of mass destruction." Jim Jeffords (I) October
8, 2002.


"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is
seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Ted Kennedy (D) September 27, 2002.

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a
serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his
pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot
be tolerated. He must be disarmed." Ted Kennedy (D)
Sept 27, 2002.


"I will be voting to give the president of the United
States the authority to use force - if necessary - to
disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly
arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is
a real and grave threat to our security." John F.
Kerry (D) Oct 2002.


"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It
has been with us since the end of that war, and
particularly in the last 4 years we know after
Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept
them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He
has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these
weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to
lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction
and the issue of proliferation." John F. Kerry (D)
October 9, 2002.


"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We
all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so
consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is
miscalculating America’s response to his continued
deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction. That is why the world, through the United
Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice,
demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and
disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons
of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has
been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."
John F. Kerry (D) Jan 23, 2003.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein
is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of
the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United
Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction
and the means of delivering them." Carl Levin (D) Sept
19, 2002.


"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical
weapons, biological weapons, and the development of
nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United
States." Joe Lieberman (D) August, 2002.


"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear,
chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994,
despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and
dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that
Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various
reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing
nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to
think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has
actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N.
inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about
biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable.
In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and
later, against its own Kurdish population. While
weapons inspections have been successful in the past,
there have been no inspections since the end of 1998.
There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to
pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass
destruction." Patty Murray (D) October 9, 2002.

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am
keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and
biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to
all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction technology
which is a threat to countries in the region and he
has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Nancy Pelosi (D) December 16, 1998.

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on
highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons
inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological
agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium
perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several
dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as
the means to continue manufacturing these deadly
agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the
highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas
and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery
shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And
Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial
infrastructure that can be used to rapidly
reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production."
Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter (reg D) in 1998.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is
working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and
will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five
years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain
access to enriched uranium from foreign sources --
something that is not that difficult in the current
world. We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in
development of weapons of mass destruction." John
Rockefeller (D) Oct 10, 2002.


"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons
capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now.
Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against
Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is
working to develop delivery systems like missiles and
unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly
weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the
Middle East." John Rockefeller (D) Oct 10, 2002.

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the
Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think
there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He
has systematically violated, over the course of the
past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that
has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical
and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This
he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the
mandate and authority of international weapons
inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying
time against enforcement of the just and legitimate
demands of the United Nations, the Security Council,
the United States and our allies. Those are simply the
facts." Henry Waxman (D) Oct 10, 2002.

mp said:
move along folks, nothing to see here.
Correct, it's all partisan politics once again.... It's amazing how the dummycrap jackasses always weasel out and exempt themselves from the very rules & regs they set for the republicunts.... do as they say, not as they do! :nono:

Look no further than Libya, we were going in there for humanitarian reasons and we would only enforce the no fly zone and we wouldn't be in there for longer than about a week, then suddenly, we were out to kill Colonel Khadaffi and we would fire over a hundred Tomahawk missiles into specific ground targets killing civilians and children... Then we weren't going after Khadaffi . . . then we were going after Khadaffi...
Meanwhile. . .
How many weeks have our forces been occupied in Libya?
How many innocent Libyans have been killed?
How much money has been spent on this Libyan misadventure?
What is our mission in Libya again if there ever was one?



There, done with the sub topic, now, back on topic
:dusts off hands:

What McCain would have asked Leon ''Inspector Cleuseau'' Panetta if he wasn't a Stockholm Syndrome affected RINO sorta politician... :1orglaugh

Leon...................'McCane'
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McCain said he asked CIA Director Leon Panetta...
...
What fucking business do you have being appointed to this top security position, Leon? You're purely an academician/politician, what do you know about intelligence? ....Right, absolutely nothing, exactly like your fellow SCU alumnae who was rewarded the directorship of the DHS! :updown:

Do you guys also take your dry cleaning to the auto service bay? :facepalm:
 
Top Democrats Support Attacking Iraq

Do you guys also take your dry cleaning to the auto service bay? :facepalm:
Still cutting and pasting from that same email I see..

But but..show us where one in the above claimed like Santorum that we found them there after we invaded. Take you time...take your time...
 

Facetious

Moderated
I don't give a rats ass about sanitarium so much, I'm just here to point out the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the haranguing democrats.


BTW, didn't obama adopt the bush policy in Iraq?

What up wit gitmo?

:surprise:''Bush shredded the constitution!'':eek:

Yer sooo ad hoc, for your party, everything, for the opposition, nothing! :cool:


Hey, down there :pop: :yummie:
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Who was the right-wing radio guy who was all gung-ho about waterboarding, talking about how it wasn't torture? Remember him? And then when they waterboarded his ass, he started screaming like a little girl.

And yeah, Santorum is definitely a major moron to say that about John McCain.
 
I don't give a rats ass about sanitarium so much, I'm just here to point out the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the haranguing democrats.


BTW, didn't obama adopt the bush policy in Iraq?
That was the other way around. :2 cents: Technically Obama did inherit the SOFA that Bush signed in Dec 2008 but it was nearly identical to the one Obama had called for since '06 and the plan Bush had consistently rejected until he signed it. Why would Obama change something that he was encouraging Bush to do in the first place?? :Face palm:
What up wit gitmo?
Well, I'm sure on the second day of Obama's presidency you were probably too busing mourning to catch the news, but Obama singed an executive order to close GiTMO...it's true, weak kneed Demos in congress were too paralyzed and scared to fund the closing but President Obama wanted and still wants it closed.
:surprise:''Bush shredded the constitution!'':eek:

Actually Bush probably wouldn't have just thrown it away instead of shredding it. He's the one famously accused of calling it just a piece of paper.:eek:
 
Why would Obama change something that he was encouraging Bush to do in the first place??


I just spitballing here but I'm guessing because he's basically turned 180 on nearly everything he said while campaigning...

:dunno:

I'm not a politician.
If I say I'm going to do something it usually happens?
 
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