As long as it's not in a church.
Same-Sex Marriage, Where Do You Stand?
- Thread starter Straight Shooter
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Gay marriage is a threat to humanity, claims Pope
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-marriage-threat-humanity.html#ixzz1j5XUw62l
Fuck all this noise. Reading all these posts? I'll pass. Let each state have a referendum; problem solved. We will get ours this coming vote. :nanner:
No, they are not being treated as people. Gay people are being shamed for what they are because society either finds them abnormal or sinful. It's time that society help gays feel at home and be happy with who they've become. And no, being gay is not a choice. Just like you being straight was not a choice (assuming you're straight, that is). And I'm straight and that wasn't a choice.
Yes, the Pope has also covered up a lot of sex abuse scandals by priests. Now, the Pope is prejudice. And I'm a practicing Catholic too. So for me to say this, it just shows how disgusted I am with the way they're handling things.
The Pope or these priests do not know what it's like to be born gay and have the world shame on you. I really wish they would stop this "being gay is evil" bullshit because it's now time that gay people feel free and get the rights they deserve. God wouldn't have created gay people if he was against it.
And FYI, I would much rather be friends with a gay person rather than a priest that molests little boys. So yeah, the Pope has some nerve to make such an asinine claim!
Mayhem
Banned
The issue automatically boils over into what the gov't thinks. I had a friend on another forum, in the past, who is a lesbian. She posted a lot of education about survivors benefits, insurance, implied power-of-attorney and a shit load of other things that directly pertain to marriage. There are a lot of things that go along with the word "marriage."
Yes, and I'm all for gay couples having those very rights, as I'd stated.
Mayhem
Banned
Noted. :clap: I was mainly responding to how gov't being a part of this debate is inevitable.
My beliefs on this start at a very basic level. They should get what they want because there's so damn many of them. Disavowing them as a part of our society/culture/civilization is pointless on that basis alone.
bobjustbob
Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Gay marriage, then what's next? humans marrying animals or humans marrying objects. Where will it stop?
Not till the lawyers figure out how to make a buck off of the divorces.
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Fair enough, on the background. I stand by my in-advance apology. As Mayhem mentioned,
The government is meant to be a reflection of the people to a degree, after all. Though wasn't there this whole thing about checks against the majority voting away rights of the minority...? Hmm.
It's not to the same extreme, of course; but the discrimination here is based in origin and the same logic as back then: that gay people are 'less than', not fit to participate in normal civilized activities.
Ah, see, but here your starting premise is wrong. If you can accept that, would you accept what it means for the rest of your position? Homosexuality is natural, if unusual (naturally unusual, considering it doesn't help populate a species): there's plenty of evidence for it, and I've seen none showing that homosexuality is a choice. To say that 'one can argue' in this case is like saying one can argue that Intelligent Design is an alternative to evolution. They can argue all they want, but they are wrong - simply put. Just as one could argue that the theory of gravity is just a theory and doesn't exist (note that my examples are displaying not the 'rightness' of the one side, but the incorrectness of the other). Et cetera.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa
Perhaps there is a middle ground where we can be agreed, with the religious keeping their 'sanctity of marriage' intact and the like, which I mentioned earlier in this thread: have the State completely remove itself from 'marriage' altogether. Instead, the State issues civil partnerships to every couple, hetero or homo - these would be the legal partnership, instilling all the rights that come with marriage now. Then, for those that wish it, they can go to a church and have the ceremony, but the ceremony itself would have no legal consequence. Voila; equality is obtained, churches maintain their freedom of religious expression, and no social conservative types have to feel like marriage is being sullied.
i still fail to see why this has ever been considered a major political issue...
Deepcover
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Not if your're planning to have kids.
In all seriousness though, I hate when these politicians come out and say how the marriage is so sacred. That is the biggest piece of bullshit ever, marriage is not sacred especially not in this country. Not when you have shows like the Bachelor and the Bachelorette, not when you have 72 day marriages like Kim K. It's a mockery the institution of marriage.
+1
But so long as it's available to heterosexual couples, it should be available to gay couples as well. If they don't allow same-sex marriage, then they shouldn't allow heterosexual marriage then. Plain and simple.
Gay marriage, then what's next? humans marrying animals or humans marrying objects. Where will it stop?
Um, what? You're talking about different species here. Humans and animals don't communicate in the same way, so how can there be true love? I honestly think two gay people can be truly in love. A human and an animal cannot. It's just not possible.
I don't believe 'gay' is a medical anomaly. I think it is a choice, and that is what makes it great; its what it means to be human. The power to intelligently choose lifestyles, based on your own unique tastes and experiences, is not only great, but it confuses me as to why anyone wants to take this out of their own hands. Fact is: you can't love, hate, like, learn, adjust, or adapt without first having an experience. Tests and research can be made to explain away anything, but human condition. There is no demand for scientific evidence that being gay is a choice, because then it eliminates excuses. 'It's not my fault' and 'I was born this way' is easier to deal with than 'This is my taste and preference' or 'This is how I choose to live'. It's really nothing more than experience in taste and taste in experience, IMO.
I like burger and fries but hate broccoli. Now, i supposed that was a personal choice!! I would much rather eat broccoli because it is good for you, but every time I take one bite out of it, I need to spit it out or throw up. My parents have done everything they could when I was kid to help get me used to eating it, but nothing would work. Even till this day, I try to eat it because I know it's healthy, but I just can't.
I'm sure many gay people didn't plan on being that way because it is more acceptable in today's society to be straight. But like my food example, they just don't like it. They only can become intimate with people of the same sex. Assuming you're straight, just imagine someone trying to force you to make out with the same sex. It's probably gross, isn't it? Now, did you ever come to think that maybe gay people find it disgusting to make out with the opposite sex?
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
There's something I've never understood about the church's position on homosexuality. I was raised in a Christian home and I was always told that a good Christian - and a good person - does not hate anyone. They can disagree with people, but to be a great person you must not hate anyone. So it makes me really conflicted to see religious people speak out against homosexuality by saying God hates homosexuality. How can that be? How can he be supreme if he hates someone? That goes against everything I was taught in church when I was a child.
Nah dude, you were given other options. If you weren't given anything but brocolli to eat... I'd bet you'd love it. Same thing with sexual preference. You don't know what you're gonna like until you have some kind of experience with it. Even babies make similar decisions. If you begin by feeding a baby strained carrots, that baby will eat it. Then, switch to applesauce. That baby is going to have either a distinct reaction to show preference to either the applesauce or the carrots. I think its the same choice you make to determine your sexual lifestyle. It's not until you have some kind of experience with one or the other that your preference developed.
