Ron Paul wins straw poll...

[CunningStunts]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/20/conservatives.meeting/index.html?section=cnn_latest

This is very good news IMHO, and I hope the signal for more fiscally conservative/socially liberal people to be heard in American politics as a counter to "business as usual" by both parties in Washington. :thumbsup:

 

[GregCentauro]

As the word suggests, they were drawing straws.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Paul couldn't even muster much support among republicans during the last primaries.His winning this straw poll at the conservative convention just shows they are still backing people with very little broad support and little chance of winning even the republican nomination much less the general election

Also after watching a lot of the convention on c-span I came away shaking my head at their disjointed message.Glenn Beck particulary was all over the place and they have really no coherent message.The only thing they really had to say was they dislike progressives and Obama but no real solid concrete proposals on any of the issues just the old we want small govt,low taxes strong defense message.If your unemployed with no health care or worried you might be in that position soon that is not a message that offers you much solace or comfort that the govt is working to help make your situation better.

But I guess Paul is better than the two people who came in 2nd and third in the straw poll,Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin.:eek::1orglaugh

 

[CunningStunts]

But I guess Paul is better than the two people who came in 2nd and third in the straw poll,Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin.:eek::1orglaugh

LOL, that's not a guess....

RP comes across somewhat eccentric, but if you read one of his books, you'll see that he has a coherent political philosophy that could be applied to everything... the same ol isn't working, I think it's time to try something radical, like getting back to the Constitutional framework, slashing the Federal government, balancing the budget, getting the Feds out of our personal lives, and using the markets to get the economy going instead of spending maney we don't have on pork projects for Congressmen.

 

[HELLRAISER]

Ron Paul is a genuine Conservative and that being the case he won't ever win the the Republican nomination which is very unfortunate becoz artificial conservatives greatly outnumber genuine conservatives both in and outside of the GOP

 

[CunningStunts]

Ron Paul is a genuine Conservative and that being the case he won't ever win the the Republican nomination which is very unfortunate becoz artificial conservatives greatly outnumber genuine conservatives both in and outside of the GOP

Possibly true, but if the GOP has anyone with a brain running their strategies right now, they will see that a vast number of Americans are "libertarian" vice "conservative" (i.e., believe in individual rights and fiscal responsibility and limited Federal government), especially among younger people. If they want to win across the board, they will dump the "far right" zealots and embrace the ideas embodied in the US Constitution, which most people believe in anyway... :2 cents:

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Pt 1 of 3 from his CPAC speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LZ-upl6Dk8&feature=sub

 

[titsrock]

The only thing that interests me is that Ron Paul was the only GOP candidate to advocate ending the occupations and getting American troops off of foreign soil. I support him 100% on that. It's sad that he was the only GOP candidate with that position.

However, the typical GOP voter is not going to go along with his liberal social agenda because the Libertarian party is traditionally the party of the militia racist, the porn star, the druggie and the anarchist. Those groups never ever agree on anything, in the end...:dunno: You really think the traditional American couple are going to join this group? I don't see that happening. I see Fox News turning against Ron Paul and the Tea Baggers after the November elections and Fox News will try to reassert the Pro-Business/Pro-Wealthy White people side of the GOP, with Mitt Romney leading the way.

Markets without regulation just lead to 1800s style Robber Baron/Standard Oil "Trust" type monopolies. Monopolies are good for companies, bad for consumers.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Ron Paul is a genuine Conservative and that being the case he won't ever win the the Republican nomination which is very unfortunate becoz artificial conservatives greatly outnumber genuine conservatives both in and outside of the GOP

Congratulations on making it through a post without using the word NeoCon! :thumbsup:

Also, I find this man an enigma. His credo is: "I hate government. I want to disassemble government. Please elect me to run your government."

:dunno:

 

[titsrock]

^
And he will see that the Senate and the House and all the special interests and Corporations won't let him get anything done. People will blame him for everything.

Kinda sounds like a repeat of what's going on now, huh...:dunno:

 

[Baill Inneraora]

I would have guessed that they would of picked Mitt Rommney again.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Also, I find this man an enigma. His credo is: "I hate government. I want to disassemble government. Please elect me to run your government."

:dunno:

No, his credo is that "the Constitution is the law of the land and that the free market system needs to be left alone, elect me if you believe this as well." Since when does wanting to limit something's power equate to "hating" it?

He's not some oxymoron that people make him out to be. He's not the leader of The Anarchist Party or whatever goofball fringe bullshit. People try to make him out to be a walking hypocrisy or some hippie dippie Conspiracy nut and he's absolutely neither.

 

[HELLRAISER]

Congratulations on making it through a post without using the word NeoCon! :thumbsup:

Also, I find this man an enigma. His credo is: "I hate government. I want to disassemble government. Please elect me to run your government."

:dunno:

I can always count on you to say NeoCon when i don't. We should form a tag team and call ourselves the Anti-NeoCon Sensations :thumbsup:

 

[Rey C.]

It gives one a bit of hope that CPAC picked Ron Paul in the straw poll. But like others, I doubt that he'll get anywhere once the primaries start. The Club for Growth doesn't like him and he'll have to back up on some of his libertarian views in order to satisfy the Evangelicals and Zionists within the GOP, especially in the south.

One thing that's interesting about this thread is that people with varying views on politics seem to like, or at least respect Ron Paul.

 

[lurkingdirk]

No, his credo is that "the Constitution is the law of the land and that the free market system needs to be left alone, elect me if you believe this as well." Since when does wanting to limit something's power equate to "hating" it?

He's not some oxymoron that people make him out to be. He's not the leader of The Anarchist Party or whatever goofball fringe bullshit. People try to make him out to be a walking hypocrisy or some hippie dippie Conspiracy nut and he's absolutely neither.

Don't get me wrong here. I don't think he's an oxymoron or an anarchist or even dumb. He's clearly a smart guy with defined goals.

I have heard him say (and read it quoted) "I hate government." And that comes through plainly in his stumps. He wants to make the government a lot smaller, that's certainly clear.

To reiterate, though more clearly, why would I elect him to downsize the government and limit its involvement in a market system that is not working well or healing itself?

 

[titsrock]

He wants to eliminate the Federal Gov't, not limit it. Instead of funding an org like the FDA to inspect our meat supply, he would eliminate the FDA and "trust the market."

He may not be a wacko anarchist but the typical Libby is a nonconformist socially or economically. And they never agree on anything. Electing Ron Paul as president means nothing if there aren't legions of Ron Paul disciples elected to the House and Senate. Good luck with that.

 

[Facetious]

^ The FDA seems to arrive on the scene a-f-t-e-r the poisoning occurs anyway, as I see it, the FDA could probably function just fine with a 100 head count.

You really think the traditional American couple are going to join this group?

What traditional American couple, the old graying mum and pops on their last leg ?

 

[titsrock]

One thing that's interesting about this thread is that people with varying views on politics seem to like, or at least respect Ron Paul.

I respect him because I haven't heard him lie or duck a tough question. Whenever he goes on a media show, he is always asked a lot tougher questions than the typical Dem or Republican.

Where he gets a wince from me is how he rattles the saber against PORK and then goes about securing PORK projects for his home base and calls it "returning the taxes to my people" Sure, Ron:1orglaugh

 

[titsrock]

What traditional American couple, the old graying mum and pops on their last leg ?

Yup. Grandma and Grandpa always vote.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

It gives one a bit of hope that CPAC picked Ron Paul in the straw poll. But like others, I doubt that he'll get anywhere once the primaries start. The Club for Growth doesn't like him and he'll have to back up on some of his libertarian views in order to satisfy the Evangelicals and Zionists within the GOP, especially in the south.

One thing that's interesting about this thread is that people with varying views on politics seem to like, or at least respect Ron Paul.

It's a rare thing to see a politician, especially a seasoned one, being so candid and even pessimistic. With him, you get just what's there and it's hard to dislike him even if you disagree with his ideas. I imagine many of the people chanting, "End the Fed" had no idea what the Fed was until they discovered Dr. Paul. Other candidates on either "side" don't inspire people to actually check shit out. Instead they rely on bumper sticker mantras like "Hope and change" and Drill baby, drill."

I used to live in Dennis Kucinich's district years ago and I absolute hate his political philosophy, but like Paul, he was sincere. I'd talk to people who despised his voting record, but they'd end every rant with, "But at least he actually believes that horse shit."