REPLACE Obamacare when lawmakers return from next week's recess.

[cometcomma]

House Speaker Paul Ryan said Thursday that Republicans will introduce a bill to repeal and replace Obamacare when lawmakers return from next week's recess.

He said Republicans are waiting to release the legislation until the cost of the bill is estimated by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation.

"It has become increasingly clear that this law is collapsing," the Wisconsin Republican told reporters at his weekly news conference. He cited Tuesday's announcement by Humana to pull out of Obamacare's health exchanges as another sign that the current system is failing.

"It will keep getting worse unless we act," Ryan said.

He said the replacement bill would give consumers the power to choose their own health care plans in a more competitive marketplace. Ryan indicated that tax credits for consumers are likely to replace the government subsides currently provided to about 85% of Americans who purchase their health coverage from the Obamacare exchanges.

"A tax credit is a fixed amount (for consumers) to go buy the health plan of their choosing," Ryan said. "What we're proposing is a patient-centered system where patients get to decide what to do."
The speaker said Republicans "would love to have support from the other side," referring to Democrats. But he said it's clear Democrats don't want to support the GOP plan.

"They want to go down the socialized medicine path," Ryan said, referring to some Democrats' support for a "public option" that would create a government-run health insurance agency to compete with private companies. "That is not something we're interested in doing."

Ryan acknowledged that Senate Republicans in more than a dozen states that expanded their Medicaid programs with federal help under Obamacare are worried about working-class families losing their coverage if the Affordable Care Act is repealed.

"We're going to have to find solutions that accommodate (those) concerns," he said.

Republicans made the repeal and replacement of Obamacare a major promise of their election campaigns last year. Although GOP leaders can pass legislation without Democratic support in the House, they will need help from Democrats to pass a replacement plan in the Senate.

 

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House Speaker Paul Ryan said Thursday that Republicans will introduce a bill to repeal and replace Obamacare when lawmakers return from next week's recess.

He said Republicans are waiting to release the legislation until the cost of the bill is estimated by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation.

"It has become increasingly clear that this law is collapsing," the Wisconsin Republican told reporters at his weekly news conference. He cited Tuesday's announcement by Humana to pull out of Obamacare's health exchanges as another sign that the current system is failing.

"It will keep getting worse unless we act," Ryan said.

He said the replacement bill would give consumers the power to choose their own health care plans in a more competitive marketplace. Ryan indicated that tax credits for consumers are likely to replace the government subsides currently provided to about 85% of Americans who purchase their health coverage from the Obamacare exchanges.

"A tax credit is a fixed amount (for consumers) to go buy the health plan of their choosing," Ryan said. "What we're proposing is a patient-centered system where patients get to decide what to do."
The speaker said Republicans "would love to have support from the other side," referring to Democrats. But he said it's clear Democrats don't want to support the GOP plan.

"They want to go down the socialized medicine path," Ryan said, referring to some Democrats' support for a "public option" that would create a government-run health insurance agency to compete with private companies. "That is not something we're interested in doing."

Ryan acknowledged that Senate Republicans in more than a dozen states that expanded their Medicaid programs with federal help under Obamacare are worried about working-class families losing their coverage if the Affordable Care Act is repealed.

"We're going to have to find solutions that accommodate (those) concerns," he said.

Republicans made the repeal and replacement of Obamacare a major promise of their election campaigns last year. Although GOP leaders can pass legislation without Democratic support in the House, they will need help from Democrats to pass a replacement plan in the Senate.

Fuck Paul Ryan!!

You know your country is fucked when a bought and sold douche bag like this is making any kind of decision.

 

[cometcomma]

Kind of a nervous time especially if your sick.

 

[sean miguel]

or leave Obamacare in place. Leave it alone. The Democrats own it.

And they know better than the rest of us.

 

[meesterperfect]

Obamacare. Has anybody got around to reading it yet?
Cuase you know, they had to pass it so they could read it.

 

[Johan]

Obamacare. Has anybody got around to reading it yet?
Cuase you know, they had to pass it so they could read it.

Politicians don't need to read a bill to dtermine wether they should vote it or not :
If it comes from their party, they vote it. If it comes from the other party, they don't

 

[sean miguel]

Politicians don't need to read a bill to dtermine wether they should vote it or not :
If it comes from their party, they vote it. If it comes from the other party, they don't

Read it? The American people have lived it and the vast majority hate it.

These people protesting repeal and replace at these town halls don't seem to realize that Obamacare is imploding on it's own.

I'm not convinced that wasn't the plan all along. Obamacare collapses so the government's solution is single payer - the ultimate goal from the outset.

 

[Jack Davenport]

These people protesting repeal and replace at these town halls don't seem to realize that Obamacare is imploding on it's own.

#ObamaForAmerica

#OrganizingForAmerica

#OrganizingForAction

 

[sean miguel]

yeah, that too.

 

[Luxman]

"An analysis of a single-payer bill by Physicians for a National Health Program estimated the immediate savings at $350 billion per year.[43] The Commonwealth Fund believes that, if the United States adopted a universal health care system, the mortality rate would improve and the country would save approximately $570 billion a year."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare

https://www.verywell.com/difference-between-universal-coverage-and-single-payer-system-1738546

Single Payer will never happen in our lifetimes. Insurance & Hospital corporations are making A LOT of money, they have way too much lobbying power and can control how the government votes.
The republicans need time to develop a better system than Obamacare, so maybe in only one or two centuries, they will have a viable plan for the health system.

 

[Jack Davenport]

"An analysis of a single-payer bill by Physicians for a National Health Program estimated the immediate savings at $350 billion per year.[43] The Commonwealth Fund believes that, if the United States adopted a universal health care system, the mortality rate would improve and the country would save approximately $570 billion a year."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare

https://www.verywell.com/difference-between-universal-coverage-and-single-payer-system-1738546

Single Payer will never happen in our lifetimes. Insurance & Hospital corporations are making A LOT of money, they have way too much lobbying power and can control how the government votes.
The republicans need time to develop a better system than Obamacare, so maybe in only one or two centuries, they will have a viable plan for the health system.

If only we had some sort of metric to test this by.

 

[Luxman]

If only we had some sort of metric to test this by.

We do, they are called statistical facts.

 

[Rattrap]

"What we're proposing is a patient-centered system where patients get to decide what to do."

There's a very simple reason the free market has no business in healthcare: Patients don't get to choose. You don't get to choose which ambulence scoops you up, which hospital is closest, what heart surgery you need, etc. You know, just like the free market has no business in the police and firefighting forces.

The speaker said Republicans "would love to have support from the other side," referring to Democrats. But he said it's clear Democrats don't want to support the GOP plan.

They did, unanimously: It's called the Affordable Care Act.

"They want to go down the socialized medicine path," Ryan said, referring to some Democrats' support for a "public option" that would create a government-run health insurance agency to compete with private companies. "That is not something we're interested in doing."

I suppose Ryan would have to give a flying fuck about American lives to be interested in something like that.

"We're going to have to find solutions that accommodate (those) concerns," he said.

Money says their solutions include bankruptcies and dropping dead.

Read it? The American people have lived it and the vast majority hate it.

This 48% 'vast majority'?

I'm not convinced that wasn't the plan all along. Obamacare collapses so the government's solution is single payer - the ultimate goal from the outset.

Yes, these devious, cunning, and long-game Democrats...you know, the ones that lost to an orange man with grade-school grammar.

"An analysis of a single-payer bill by Physicians for a National Health Program estimated the immediate savings at $350 billion per year.[43] The Commonwealth Fund believes that, if the United States adopted a universal health care system, the mortality rate would improve and the country would save approximately $570 billion a year."

Yep. Anybody who says "we can't afford it" is either full of shit or uncritically consuming said shit (the natural consequence of which, they become full of shit...logical, no?). It saves us money - and even if it didn't, we could easily afford it bombing fewer countries.

 

[Jack Davenport]

We do, they are called statistical facts.

We sure do .

So my point is those are projections.

We are living statistical facts right now. They're not looking too good bub.

 

[Jack Davenport]

There's a very simple reason the free market has no business in healthcare: Patients don't get to choose. You don't get to choose which ambulence scoops you up, which hospital is closest, what heart surgery you need, etc. You know, just like the free market has no business in the police and firefighting forces.

Yes, and government has proven that they can be so much more efficient in providing even life's simplest necessities.
You wouldn't be able to wipe your ass without the free market or the private sector son. I'll take my chances on the free market providing me excellent care out of pure greed than someone that wants to provide it to strengthen their grip on power.

The free market has done far more for me and millions of others in terms of quality health care and at a cheaper rate than this train wreck of an experiment in socialized medicine.

They did, unanimously: It's called the Affordable Care Act.

Dollars to donuts this motherfucker takes the penalty and doesn't buy insurance.

I suppose Ryan would have to give a flying fuck about American lives to be interested in something like that.

I am no huge fan of Paul Ryan but he has demonstrated that he actually does care about American lives and especially senior citizens and has bent over backwards to secure Medicare as budget chairman. He cared about putting forward a responsible budget which Democrats rejected. There are more ways to give a flying fuck other than a healthcare law that is a failure.

Yes, these devious, cunning, and long-game Democrats...you know, the ones that lost to an orange man with grade-school grammar.

Orange is the new black.


I guess we could long for the days..of a president talking to crowds like he was a judge in a wet T-shirt contest or stammering on the word "if" as if he was experiencing a mini stroke.

Yep. Anybody who says "we can't afford it" is either full of shit or uncritically consuming said shit (the natural consequence of which, they become full of shit...logical, no?). It saves us money - and even if it didn't, we could easily afford it bombing fewer countries.

This an example of a blathering fool, a full on Marxist left wing kook.

I am going to continue to call out this lying asshole anytime he tries and spills this garbage.

The encouraging thing is that they haven't seemed to learn their lesson. They are doubling down on this crap. They have made sure the democrats are a minority party in this country, I guess they won't stop until the GOP will be the only party left.

I fully encourage and support their efforts.

 

[cometcomma]

:dunno:

 

[sean miguel]

There's a very simple reason the free market has no business in healthcare: Patients don't get to choose. You don't get to choose which ambulence scoops you up, which hospital is closest, what heart surgery you need, etc. You know, just like the free market has no business in the police and firefighting forces.


They did, unanimously: It's called the Affordable Care Act.


I suppose Ryan would have to give a flying fuck about American lives to be interested in something like that.


Money says their solutions include bankruptcies and dropping dead.


This 48% 'vast majority'?



Yes, these devious, cunning, and long-game Democrats...you know, the ones that lost to an orange man with grade-school grammar.


Yep. Anybody who says "we can't afford it" is either full of shit or uncritically consuming said shit (the natural consequence of which, they become full of shit...logical, no?). It saves us money - and even if it didn't, we could easily afford it bombing fewer countries.

Skyrocketing premiums, prohibitive deductibles, insurers bailing out of it's "death spiral." How can you portray Obamacare as anything other than the unmitigated disaster for the "vast majority" and soon all? Whatever poll results you want to pull up. President Trump and the republican congress should really be the heartless assholes that they're made out to be by the left and just let Obamacare continue until it craters instead of dealing with the mess of trying to fix it.

 

[Rattrap]

How can you portray Obamacare as anything other than the unmitigated disaster for the "vast majority" and soon all?

Easy: I didn't. All I did was bring evidence against a statement (48% ≠ 'vast majority').

 

[cometcomma]

John Boehner told Republicans some inconvenient truths on Obamacare


The GOP’s repeal-and-replace strategy made sense in 2012. It’s a mess in 2016.

Former House Speaker John Boehner says he started “laughing” when he heard the GOP’s plan to swiftly repeal and replace Obamacare. “Republicans never ever agree on health care,” he said in comments first reported by Politico.

And here’s the kicker. “Most of the framework of the Affordable Care Act … that’s going to be there,” Boehner said. He went on to say that he thought everyone covered by Medicaid now would keep their Medicaid coverage.

Ouch.

I’ve seen some react with fury to these comments. Didn’t Boehner hold repeal vote after repeal vote? Didn’t he win back the House in 2010, and hold it thereafter, promising to repeal Obamacare? Didn’t he participate in the government shutdown over Obamacare in 2013?

He did. But to interpret Boehner generously, Obamacare is in a very different place now than it was in 2010, 2012, or even 2013. It’s delivering benefits to about 30 million people. Dozens of states have built budgets around Medicaid dollars flowing in from the federal government. Health systems nationwide have reorganized themselves around its provisions.

It was plausible, if Republicans had won Congress in 2010 and won the presidency in 2012, that repeal and replace — or at least repeal — might happen. At that point, the law’s main insurance expansion hadn’t even begun. But now it has, and so that ship has sailed.

Repeal and replace worked in 2012. It doesn’t work in 2016.

In early January, Yuval Levin, who is deeply plugged in with Republican legislators, wrote a guide to the GOP’s repeal-and-replace strategy. The most interesting point Levin made was how much of it, even today, remains based on plans that Mitt Romney’s team drew up in 2012 — plans drawn up at a very different point in the Affordable Care Act’s life cycle:


The movement to repeal and replace Obamacare was born with 2012 in mind. Obamacare was enacted in 2010 but would not take full effect for four years, and there was a presidential election in the middle of that period. The idea was that if Republicans won in 2012, they would move swiftly to unravel the law before it took effect and then move more slowly and incrementally to enact conservative reforms that would enable a genuine consumer market in coverage for individuals.

The Romney transition team in 2012 developed a detailed strategy for such a two-step approach (including plans for an early repeal-by-reconciliation bill if Republicans took over the Senate). They effectively locked it away in a glass box marked “break in case of Republican president” – and left it unbroken in 2012. But after Trump’s unexpected victory, the first instinct of some Capitol Hill Republicans was to break the glass and get going.

In this telling, Republicans had a message for 2010, and a plan for 2012, and then when Barack Obama won reelection and the Affordable Care Act began delivering benefits, they didn’t revisit either. So now they’re adrift. Their 2012 plan doesn’t make any sense in 2016.

Boehner, who was there when the strategy was developed and also realizes the ways the world has changed, isn’t revealing that repeal and replace was always a con, but he admits it has now become one.

It’s worth noting one other thing Boehner said: “Republicans never ever agree on health care.”

This is a more important point than people realize. Democrats did years and years of work in advance of Obama’s presidency to come to a rough agreement on health care. Republicans haven’t done that work. They know they loathe Obamacare, but they don’t even agree on which parts of it they loathe.

At this point, the House Freedom Caucus has laid down the principle that any replacement must repeal the Medicaid expansion, while a critical number of Republican senators have said that any replacement must keep the Medicaid expansion, or at least its coverage and funding. Both sides would probably say they agree on repealing Obamacare. But they don’t even agree on what that means — which suggests they’re far, far away from agreeing on what a new health system would look like in its place.

And this is where the 2012-versus-2016 distinction becomes so important. A party that doesn’t have a health care plan might be able to repeal Obamacare before it exists — in that case, you’re simply replacing the status quo with the status quo. But it can’t repeal Obamacare after it exists, because that would mean replacing the status quo with complete chaos.

 

[Luxman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEGpriv2TAc&gl=US