Milton, I get the impression you are not half as smart as you think you are, as well you have no place claiming that because people do not agree with your warped views that they are retarded.
Reasons the U.S. political system is ridiculous
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Milton, I get the impression you are not half as smart as you think you are, as well you have no place claiming that because people do not agree with your warped views that they are retarded.
If you are against popular pressure influencing the courts, why not be against popular pressure influencing anything. Afterall, one could make the argument that the making and executing of laws are too important to be left up to popular pressure. There is also a serious problem here, seeing how the congress and presidency are often not responsive to popular pressure, so this tends to make your whole point rather unrealistic seeing how there is no greater chance the supreme court is going to follow public will then any other branch of government. You are speaking very abstractly without considering the realities of how things currently function.
In theory, you could have disagreements over supreme court justices being appointed with conflicting opinions in different branches of government, but my understanding of it is that quite often what the president wants he gets even if there is some opposition. Even if there are disagreements and compromises made, this does not address the problem that they are not directly elected. But you seem to think democracy is not a good idea, based on your comment about it being o.k. for state legislatures to appoint congress and the president. This is really a borderline fascist comment to make. If you are a Nazi, just come out and say it. I've dealt with crypto-fascists before and it gets tedious.
Again, I will restate my point in hopes it sinks in, but i doubt it given your "train of thought." you either leave it up to one douce bag like bush to pick a judge, or you let the people vote for it like every other branch of government on the state, local and federal levels. Fascism or democracy. It's your choice Adolf.
no, there is a difference between, one the one hand, not agreeing with someone, and on the other hand making illogical statements that do not cohere or demonstrate an inability to think critically or comprehend what you read. there are a lot of stupid people in the word who don't give a fuck.
You are correct that there are a lot of stupid people in this world. You seem like an intelligent thinking person, but I think your thoughts are irrational. I get the impression that you are arguing for the sake of arguing, which can be great fun and intellectually challenging in settings like debate clubs and similar situations.
Or you are using harsh words to gain attention in these threads, if that is the case, myself and others here have encouraged you along by have a dialogue
When you start calling people calling people Nazi or retards, especially in my case, because I never called you any names, you loose all creditability in your argument. I still gather that you think you have a greater understanding of the world than you demonstrate in these threads.
Or you are using harsh words to gain attention in these threads, if that is the case, myself and others here have encouraged you along by have a dialogue
When you start calling people calling people Nazi or retards, especially in my case, because I never called you any names, you loose all creditability in your argument. I still gather that you think you have a greater understanding of the world than you demonstrate in these threads.
you are reducing my calling you a nazi down to "calling someone a name." but the truth of the matter is a nazi is someone who believes the people should have no real democratic say in things, and your proposal to take away the ability of citizens to vote for the congress and president is one of the most nazi like things one could say. hence You Might be a crypto-fascist. it all makes sense but it's probably too much for you to handle so you hide behind the thin veneer of "mommy, he called me a name."
First of we are not a democracy in America, we are a republic. Plato consider a democracy to be a bad thing - mob rule - when the group decides. A democracy is nation of the people. A republic is a nation of laws. In a democracy, like in some of the Greek city states, the people voted at trials. So if you were on trial, guilty or innocent, if the voting public didn't like you then they could convict you. That is one reason why Plato didn't like democracy. In a republic, a nation of laws, minority interests are taken into account. Public opinion, like at a trial has no place. The judge oversees that the case is tried according to law. If it is a bench trial then the judge decide the outcome of the case. If it is a jury trial then the jury decides the outcome of the case. The decision must be within the scope of the law or that verdict can be set aside by that judge or a higher court. That is a very important principle that was put into place to protect people from being tried on their beliefs on not the law.
We are a republic with democratically elected official representing our interest. People confuse that with a democracy.
In some jurisdictions judges are voted in. In some states you vote whether to keep a judge in office or not. In the end I guess it really doesn't matter to me how they are selected or retained or for what length of time as long as the legal system works correctly.
As for my own political view, I would consider them to somewhere between centrist and libertarian. I'm a strong believer in civil liberties, limited government and low taxation for everyone. On the other hand I recognize that we need rule and sometime people need help. So I don't have a problem with people being assisted to government to a point (that moves move a little ways from libertarian more to the center).
I believe that people should be able to live their lives without being told they have do something - have to work in a certain job or career field, if they want to start a business no one should be able to them no. If they decide they want to write a book or go to school no one should be able to stop them and say no.
On they other hand that doesn't mean that government should hand out checks to do those things either. There are a lot of opportunities in this world and yes life isn't fair and it sucks sometimes, but life is what we make it and we are the only ones that can make us happy.
So I would say that I'm the complete opposite of a Nazi and I welcome your apologize as soon as you are willing to give it.
Not quite. You were the one that brought up that argument. I merely compared it a parliamentary system that has democratically elected representatives that choose their prime minister. People are no less free in the UK or Canada for that reason.
Nazi is a rather harsh word, especially when it is not justified. How do you know that I am not Jewish or of Jewish decent? My real last name ends in "burg" You are a very disrespectful individual.
Plato was a fascist. Read Karl Popper to understand this better. And you are too because you ultimately admit you don't care how judges become judges, as long as "the legal system works correctly." you are a joke.
People in Canada and the UK are less free politically in more ways then one. Free speech is not as strongly codified in England and other parts of Western Europe and the fact that you don't directly pick the prime minister makes you less free. This is not to be taken as if I am saying "The U.S. kicks everyone else's ass" so don't blow my simple statement out of proportion.
Many jews both cooperated with and benefitted from the Nazi policies. No, I am not a Nazi or Holocaust denier, I am simply telling you the facts.
That maybe true, but I still don't think it justifies you calling people Nazis. And just to clear things up, Nazis are National Socialists which support a welfare state, that what you were arguing for in other thread. I'm a believer in the free market, but I don't have problem with unemployment insurance and helping people out when they need help for a short period of time.
A fascist is an authoritarian form of government. I've never eluded to that, even in arguing your points. You don't have to elect everyone or have citizens vote on every piece of legislation to be consider free or free from authoritarian rule. Like I said before my beliefs border in the realm of libertarianism which says that the government really should be able to do what ever you want, as long as it doesn't harm others.
We may as well just end this here. I doubt you would acknowledge that calling people Nazi and fascists is a disrepectful thing to do.
you may not be a nazi, but what you propose could easily lead to a greater acceptance in nazism because what you propose (severe curtailment in democratic freedoms) is ultimately compatible with the overarching nazi ideology of taking power away from the people and centralizing in the hands of the state and capital. don't get hung up on the fact that someone calls you a nazi. it's not a big deal. the big deal is, as I mentioned, a severe curtailment in democratic freedoms you seem so enthused about. read a little too much of that fascist pig Plato did you?
I didn't look through this thread so it could have been stated beforehand, but politics are just stupid to begin with. Every political system is ridiculous. It all goes hand in hand with religion as far as I'm concerned, and [the human race] could do without either, to it's benefit mind you.
Yeah buddy, you know it :wave:
"The American political system is essentially a contract between the Republican and Democratic parties, enforced by federal and state two-party laws, all designed to guarantee the survival of both no matter how many people despise or ignore them."-- Richard Reeves
Classic Us vs Them in my opinion. You're a lefty liberal, you're a righty conservative, label this, label that, muddy the waters and never let "the people" focus their venom on both parties at once.
Obama will change nothing, the men behind the man are all of the same ilk.
:hatsoff: Yu are 100% right. Obama would not be able to change the American rude attitude towards the rest of the World.
We hope the World to be a peaceful place, but American system( not American people) like the wars. :hatsoff::wave:
Yes sir! The system steals from taxpayers to make war and more wealth for the pillar of the economy - the arms industry. I know there are countless millions of good Americans who know what's up and hope for the good of all peoples.
If everyone is in agreement, both parties suck and will not establish a better America. Isn't it time for us to modify our ideologies to change this?
The left has been polarized as much as the right. Those in the middle often times feel they must choose or forfeit their right to make any decisions.
I believe many of us, given the opportunity would decide better for ourselves. I wonder what would happen if come election time, we the people decided NOT to vote, at all. I mean ALL of us. Letting the parties of demogogary know that we do not want them in power any more. Telling them, we the People choose to not be represented by you, for you do not, have not represented us and we will not sit by while you hijack our rights, our money, and our ideals.
Just a thought.
The left has been polarized as much as the right. Those in the middle often times feel they must choose or forfeit their right to make any decisions.
I believe many of us, given the opportunity would decide better for ourselves. I wonder what would happen if come election time, we the people decided NOT to vote, at all. I mean ALL of us. Letting the parties of demogogary know that we do not want them in power any more. Telling them, we the People choose to not be represented by you, for you do not, have not represented us and we will not sit by while you hijack our rights, our money, and our ideals.
Just a thought.
good plan, stampede. unfortunately that would require all of the representatives not to vote either, so that none of the states could cast electoral votes. what it really comes down to is a small group of people that decide the election outcome, and not the vast majority of the public, as I'm sure you know.
My mommy told me it was always the thought that counts!! :weeping:
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