Ralph Nader--It's time to eliminate college athletic scholarships
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jinxypie
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Harsh.
Not a fan of this idea. Eliminating college athletic scholarships? Many athletes wouldn't get a college education, then. A huge priority to many of these athletic programs is to have their players graduate. In order to graduate, they have to pass classes... I don't see any reason to get rid of these scholarships.
Just my two cents.
Why didn't you look at everything or at least the core mission of what the foundation/center does instead of just one summer camp K/f?
academic scholarships make sense.
athletic scholarships, not so much - what about scholarships for cheerleading and the arts (band)?
I love Nader, and I don't mind this pitch, but there are a million other things to advocate against than this
athletic scholarships, not so much - what about scholarships for cheerleading and the arts (band)?
I love Nader, and I don't mind this pitch, but there are a million other things to advocate against than this
Violator79
Take a Hit, Spunker!
I'm for it. Most people can't even go to college because the cost is too high, but some people can go for free just because they're good at a sport? What a crock of shit.
Colleges offer scholarships for being good at all kinds of things..not just athletics.:2 cents:
Violator79
Take a Hit, Spunker!
That's off topic. This thread is about college ATHLETIC scholarships.
Kingfisher
Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
We all know that there's a "wink and a nod" when it comes to some athletes that perform on the field yet not in the classroom, in order for the schools to keep their endowments, hence forth their grades are adjusted long before the reports get to officials. I mean, they're passing cops, who are dumb, and they have guns!
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=494333&highlight=police
And I was looking for a cost to attend the TWLC. If there's a cost, that means he just sends a check once a year as a tax write off so he has to pay less taxes. If it was free to candidates that show exceptional skill and knowledge, then get a even higher degree of education... that would be awesome.
But as a society, we put more emphasis on sports in our culture and less on intelligence.
how the hell is that off topic?
what he said has relevance to the core fo the problem
colleges invest in people gifted in athletics and academia because they ultimatley generate fortunes for the school
they dont just give out scholarships all willy nilly to any run of the mill athlete
you gotta be a beast to get one of those
same as an academic scholarship
Well, let me make the point another, less confusing way. There are many reasons why a college would eat the educational costs for a person to come to their school. A person's ability to help one of their athletic programs with his/her athletic talents is just one reason.
It's more than worth it in the eyes of many universities to do so. In particular with athletics because of the ability the student-athlete has to increase exponentially the visibility, notoriety and stature of their institutions through sport.
After all, how many people now know what a Butler University is because of the athletes they've offered to go there and play basketball in exchange for an education?
And the thread isn't just about athletic scholarships...It's about Nader's proposal to do away with them.:2 cents:
Well, I don't know about all that.
Let's just say it's a business model that makes sense for many universities and emphasis on sport is important where there's an emphasis on sports...
Emphasis on intelligence is important where there is an emphasis on intelligence.
Violator79
Take a Hit, Spunker!
how the hell is that off topic?
what he said has relevance to the core fo the problem
colleges invest in people gifted in athletics and academia because they ultimatley generate fortunes for the school
they dont just give out scholarships all willy nilly to any run of the mill athlete
you gotta be a beast to get one of those
same as an academic scholarship
Most colleges are that hand out athletic scholarships are more interested in what the athlete can do for the college winning championships. Yes the athlete has to keep his grades at a passing level, but that level does not have to be straight A+. Do you honestly believe that a college that has a potential championship winning athlete gives as much care about his/her education as they do about winning titles? They're interested in what kind of money that kid can bring first and foremost. Now if that kid had been a Rhodes scholar or got to attend there with an academic scholarship, then athletics would come second, with education coming first. But with an athletic scholarship, the ONLY thing that got that kid there in the first place, than that's what the main focus is on. Deep down inside, some, not all of the kids that get to college only on an athletic scholarship are dumb as a brick and the college knows it, but like I said, all they care about is winning titles.
On second thought, how about just eliminating scholarships all together? Why not make it fair for everyone. If you have enough brain power to write your own name, remember where you live and know your own phone number, then you automatically qualify to go to college for free, whether you excel at athletics or academics or not. In this day and age, and especially in this country, just knowing your own name is a god damned miracle.
And what do you think that does for the college...aside from the extra dough (they use to pay professors and other faculty with) they get from the accomplishment??
Of course they care about his/her ability to help them win. 'Duh', that's the main reason they offered the person a scholarship. But getting grades and even competing on the field is up to the individual. There are many kids who get their scholarships rescinded for a variety of reason.
Ahhh...therein lies the rub with your perspective. Who pray-tell is suppose to pay the professors and other faculty in this Utopian educational society of yours? Colleges and Universities are still businesses at some point and that's why it makes business sense to maintain scholarship athletic programs for many of them.
Now we agree.
Violator79
Take a Hit, Spunker!
I've never been quoted 4 times in 1 post before. I feel special.
The only thing we agree on is just knowing your name in this country is a miracle. Other than that, we must agree to disagree.
Oh..was that the point you got out of that? You being quoted??
What was actually happening there was specific points you were making were being responded to directly so you and others would have a better idea of which responses referred to what.
'quoted'
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Violator79
Take a Hit, Spunker!
I was being sarcastic. I've been quoted before, but not 4 times in a single post.
What was actually happening there was specific points you were making were being responded to directly so you and others would have a better idea of which responses referred to what.
'quoted'
Thank you for that wonderful insight on how quoting someone works. You really should look into becoming a politician. You have a remarkable ability of trivializing the momentous and complicating the obvious. :hatsoff:
how the hell is that off topic?
what he said has relevance to the core fo the problem
colleges invest in people gifted in athletics and academia because they ultimatley generate fortunes for the school
they dont just give out scholarships all willy nilly to any run of the mill athlete
you gotta be a beast to get one of those
same as an academic scholarship
The gigantic difference between those types of scholarships is that colleges and universities are supposed to educate people. It's pretty much their function and their sole reason for existence, or at least it's supposed to be. Giving out scholarships that tie directly into educational and scholarly issues makes sense. Giving out scholarships because it will greatly increase the worlds knowledge and enhance that as much as possible makes sense given what they are. Creating a virtual cartel and giving out scholarships so they can essentially run a multi-billion dollar entertainment business venture has nothing to do with their supposed function for society, so no, they are not the same.
That's just the thing...you weren't 'quoted' 4 times. You had 4 of your points responded to.For you and anyone else who doesn't seem to know the difference. If you're being quoted...that means someone is using a statement you've made in order to help them make their point consistent with your quote. That is 'quoting' someone.
If someone breaks down your post in their reply to specific points to address....don't take it personal....they're not 'quoting' you.
Colleges and universities are in the BUSINESS of educating people. Athletic competition is a way many earn/raise money for their business.
well said
The reality is that these student athletes generate a butt load of money for thier schools and as you said most don't go pro and are rewarded with a college education. I don't think there are many cases of a kid that could cure cancer being past over for a ball player since isn't there restrictions on the number that a school can give out? With a incoming freshman class of a school like florida state being in the thousands I think the smart kids get thier fair shake. I say a four year education at a good school for free is a fair trade to the athletes bringing in cashi never said they were the same
i said they were alike because you gotta be awesome at what you do in order to get one
be it physics, track and field, or volleyball you have to be good to get paid to be in school for it
if a college wants to use you to increase its profit and notority then use them and their resources to make life better for you
its only fair
