Rachel Starr
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Dont get me wrong, theres clearly a flaw in our medical / lifestyle systems, more so about preventing illness' than treating them, but as a society in general theres only so far you can travel. For example, its not like parents are in the dark about the risks of the food they are feeding their children, people are pretty much fully aware of the junk they eat, maybe not the kids themselves, but its not their job too. The parents putting the food on the childrens plates, knowing full well what it will lead to, but still do it anyway, its their fault. Its all easy to blame it on the producers of such food, but at the end of the day, everything u can eat is ok to eat, within moderation, eg a cheeseburger every 14 days isnt bad for you, if you eat healthily every other day.
Although eating habits do cause alot of illness, its really not that much of a conspiracy that trailers like that want you to believe. The aim of that trailer is to get you to watch the full documentary on it, so they will put anything that will shock you, and make you want to find out more. At the end of the day, if you dont want your children to have horrible diseases, and die young from a bad diet, dont feed them the junk, it really is as simple as that, parents needs to take more responsibility for their children.
so... can you guys take your discussion elsewhere? just saying...
I'm with you. I'm trying to see Rachel's ass bounce but instead I have to read these discussions as if it were an episode of Grey's Anatomy.
I would have to disagree with you......I don't think most parents realize what's healthy and what's not. That in my estimation is one of the many issues contributing to this problem.....
Last time I checked, it was Rachel who brought the topic up friend. If the discussion doesn't interest you, you don't have to read the posts.
Even so, ignorance isnt an excuse, its clearly says on labels whats in the food, its down to the parents to find out.
Requested by Rachel herself, troll some place else :horse:
Exactly......which makes the lack of knowledge that much more lamentable.
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I saw it too but to be honest, I didn't find it really amazing.
ok it's recorded in HD but she has better movies/scenes without anal.
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Basically, as i said its not all strictly true what was said, but there is an element of truth in it, mainly about the food we eat, the food point is pretty much spot on, thats the part i agree with. However, the stuff about the medicine and genetically modifying foods with e.g. pesticides, genetic injections, and pills. Its a completely ridiculous statement to say our medicines may not be actually produced for human use, its so ridiculous its laughable, as the human race we use pills everyday, wrether thats Aspirin, anti-biotics. ROFL at that stat of "100,000" americans die each year from using pills, with a 300,000,000 population. Its all very well throwing stats around, source of these stats? what do these stats take into account? do they take into account medical patients who have a kidney transplant, then get an infection (so takes anti-biotics) and then dies?
Without the medicines and drugs we use today, we would be in a similar position to dying countries, with no medical treatments or pills, we would be 1000 years in the past. So what if the people making these drugs want to charge a high amount of money, lives are worth more than anything you could ever purchase, without their genius you wouldnt even have this drug in the first place, its only fair for them to want financial gain. The beauty about medicine is once its discovered it can be re-used by another company to produce effectively the same drug, with a minor difference and different name.
As to the "you are what you eat" comment, thats true, there are so many illness' linked with what you eat, but its a ridiculous and bold statement to say basically if we all sort out how we eat, we wont need all this medicine. Its wrong, theres no evidence to back it up, and its just not reality. Although what we eat impacts directly on our body, in terms of illness or health, its around 20% liable for the current illness' we suffer as a race. So what if we all eat fine, not a tiny bit of junk, then my kidney decides to stop working? Oh, well we dont need pills anymore, the vital anti-biotics and drugs that will stop your body rejecting the new liver we will give you, its all fine because your as healthy as an oxe (which is actually worse because u have more anti-bodies and white blood cells). Also, speaking about profit, i wonder how much money the producers made from making that documentary, from feeding off the worry and fear of the human race.
Obviously ive just summed up a few of the key points in this arguement but really, its so easy making bold statements especially about human health, but proof > words.
first off i want to THANK YOU so much for taking the time to write this, it is much appreciated! you seem extremely logical... i'm going to bring up i couple of points that may have not been taken in to consideration. so look at my comments on the below post. xoxo
i absolutely agree with medical professionals treating us with reactions to disease instead of preventing... i also believe a monstrous amount of health problems can be cured through what mother nature provides at a very small fraction of the price with no side effects... example: read the book "Superfoods" by david wolfe
as far as fast food goes, for families that are struggling it's actually cheaper to feed the whole bunch with a pizza, KFC bucket, value taco pack at Taco Bell, or the value menu at McDonald's... not to mention food stamps aren't accepted of Farmers Market... labels, read below...
actually, this is my thread, and i requested the topic to be talked about :crowdgrin
i understand completely what you mean with reading labels, BUT
1. LABELS CAN BE EXTREMELY MISLEADING
2. CERTAIN INGREDIENTS NAMES CAN BE CHANGED TO NUMEROUS DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN PEOPLE CATCH ON THAT IT'S BAD example: EVERYONE KNOWS CORN SYRUP IS BAD, WELL KNOW THEY ARE CALLING IT CORN SUGAR INSTEAD WHICH SOUNDS MORE NATURAL AND NOT SO BAD, BUT IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING
3. SOMETHINGS HAVE FANCY LONG NAMES WHEN REALLY THEY SHOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE AND CALL IT LARD, WHO KNOWS WHAT SOME OF THOSE WORDS MEAN
and..............
what about parents like mine that didn't by a lot of stuff that was packaged, but deep fry stuff... i'm talking chicken fried steak, fried chicken, fried corn, fried green beans, or baked casseroles in oil... nothing healthy about that
to further that note- me and my brother have never had a problem with weight and never worked out aside from fun activities. i always said to myself that it was fine to eat how i did because i never gained weight and had no major health problems, yet! i grew up eating that way so why stop UNTIL i see side effects from it...
i started learning about and trying healthy foods a few years ago and i can tell a difference! i feel better, more energy, don't need 10 hours of sleep, my skin glows, my hair and nails grow shinier and faster.... it's the best thing i ever did
I tell you what after reading all of this im very well educated on the subject now lol :1orglaugh
There's also the fundamental thing to keep in mind that wasn't really addressed, Rachel kinda highlighted the idea which is everyone's body and health is unique to everyone else. Some people can eat all kinds of nasty food and nothing can happen and there are others who take one bite out of a doughnut and feel full. Which I think is one of the reasons why the establishment (mostly) has all these really fucked up dietary suggestions because for some it works, others it won't, it all comes down to understanding how your own body operates. And I totally agree Rachel, the ingredients list needs to be simplified cause hardly anyone knows what most of that shit is. Ever look at the list on the Doritos bag? You use four fingers and there's still a paragraph sticking out? It's a tortilla chip with cheese powder (presumably) for Christ's sake. Check out this video of Dana Carvey (yes, that one) at the 58 minute mark where he talks about his blocked artery, it's truly fascinating. Really check out the whole interview but more relevant is that story.
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You raise many valid points, but there are always two sides to the coin, and as i said in my previous post majority of it boils down to ignorance. For example, everybody has this idea that Calories are bad, when that really is just not the case, lots of people see low calories and think OMFG its good for me. At the end of the day, this day in age, as long as you have a logical head on your shoulders its easy to seperate the crap from the good stuff. EVERYTHING is good in moderation.
Not to offend your parents here rachel, so please dont take offence, but back in the day so to speak, labels were not as clear, and i can sympathise with that, but this day in age its all there, its for the consumer to read the label. As with your parents deep frying stuff, again, not being offencive but it was ignorance, like you said you figured because u didnt gain weight, u didnt get sick you thought it was ok, it all boils down to ignorance.
As to the families struggling part, im sorry but thats parenthood, its down to the parents to love their children enough to actually get off their ass, and find out what they are feeding their kids and what exactly is in the KFC or Taco Bell. When you become a parent you accept responsibility for the life you have brought into this world, wrether its easy or not, its your duty, and if you fail on your duty, its your own fault.
However, i definately agree with you Rachel that the food companies are really devious, and there should be laws brought in through the entire world that states bad/goodness in food. Even so, again, it boils down to ignorance, if i see Corn Syrup, i know thats bad, if i see Corn Sugar, again, syrup is made from sugar, its bad regardless, sugar is sugar, even fruit sugars. Look at body builders, they shovel down 5000+ calories a day because they use the calories, they work the muscles to grow larger, and the calories they take in provide the energy for them to work out and grow stronger.
Eagerly awaiting your response, your alot more informed about the subject that most folk
Lot of good points being made but to those that feel labels are accurate they typically are anything but. Whenever science discovers something about the human body everything shifts to the opposite of what it once was as far as health.
Example: MSG, thought to be a hazardous to your health as it's salt. Labels were rolled out on products stating "No MSG added", "MSG Free". People were said to sometimes have sensitivity to MSG. Then in 2004 a study stated that it shouldn't affect anyone even in large amounts.
Example: Beer, Wine and Liquor. has no ingredient list or nutrition facts. We were originally told drinking was horrible; it was prohibited. Then it was made okay because outlawing didn't work. Then we were told it still was unhealthy. Now we're told a beer or two a day might be good for you or a glass of wine a day might be etc...
Example: Labels such as "Organic", "Natural", "Farm Raised", "Cage Free", "Whole Grains" "Whole Wheat" and "Mixed Grains" have no basis or standard to live up to or to regulate what exactly they all mean. Some products are using them legitimately to display a healthier alternative; others are tacking them on just to intice buyers to spend money on them. While others are somewhere in the middle. There's little way to tell the difference.
Also I haven't noticed anyone mention the rule of thumb method for ingredient list reading. Whatever is listed first is in that product in the highest quantities. Let's take something many of us all loved and remember from our childhoods.
Log Cabin's Original flavored Maple syrup. Looking at the ingredient list: Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Water, Sugar Syrup, Pure Maple Syrup, Salt, Cellulose Gum, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Caramel Color, Sodium Benzoate and Sorbic Acid (Preservatives), Artificial Flavor.
You can see the first four ingredients have little to do with any maple trees. It's essentially corn syrup marketed to us as Maple Syrup. But it still lists "Pure Maple Syrup" in it. How much exactly? A lot? or a little? How much compared to say the "Artificial Flavors"? If we weren't applying the rule of thumb method I mentioned there wouldnt' be an outright way to tell.
**My thanks to the 3 people that might read this as I had to retype it twice; posting failed because of servers being busy.
Example: MSG, thought to be a hazardous to your health as it's salt. Labels were rolled out on products stating "No MSG added", "MSG Free". People were said to sometimes have sensitivity to MSG. Then in 2004 a study stated that it shouldn't affect anyone even in large amounts.
Example: Beer, Wine and Liquor. has no ingredient list or nutrition facts. We were originally told drinking was horrible; it was prohibited. Then it was made okay because outlawing didn't work. Then we were told it still was unhealthy. Now we're told a beer or two a day might be good for you or a glass of wine a day might be etc...
Example: Labels such as "Organic", "Natural", "Farm Raised", "Cage Free", "Whole Grains" "Whole Wheat" and "Mixed Grains" have no basis or standard to live up to or to regulate what exactly they all mean. Some products are using them legitimately to display a healthier alternative; others are tacking them on just to intice buyers to spend money on them. While others are somewhere in the middle. There's little way to tell the difference.
Also I haven't noticed anyone mention the rule of thumb method for ingredient list reading. Whatever is listed first is in that product in the highest quantities. Let's take something many of us all loved and remember from our childhoods.
Log Cabin's Original flavored Maple syrup. Looking at the ingredient list: Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Water, Sugar Syrup, Pure Maple Syrup, Salt, Cellulose Gum, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Caramel Color, Sodium Benzoate and Sorbic Acid (Preservatives), Artificial Flavor.
You can see the first four ingredients have little to do with any maple trees. It's essentially corn syrup marketed to us as Maple Syrup. But it still lists "Pure Maple Syrup" in it. How much exactly? A lot? or a little? How much compared to say the "Artificial Flavors"? If we weren't applying the rule of thumb method I mentioned there wouldnt' be an outright way to tell.
**My thanks to the 3 people that might read this as I had to retype it twice; posting failed because of servers being busy.
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