Pope says "who am i to judge"

[wdoall]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_nv/api/media/getMobileVideo?videoId=52609648

 

[Mayhem]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-gays_n_3669635.html

Pope Francis has had a busy week at World Youth Day in Rio as he visited his slums and prisons, blessed the Olympic flag and brought three million people to Copacabana Beach for a final Mass on Sunday morning.

Now he has made another headline, this time when the pontiff said, "Who am I to judge a gay person?"

While taking questions from reporters on the plane back to Rome, Francis spoke about gays and the reported "gay lobby." According to the Wall Street Journal, the Pope's comments about homosexuality came in the context of a question about gay priests.

The pontiff broached the delicate question of how he would respond to learning that a cleric in his ranks was gay, though not sexually active. For decades, the Vatican has regarded homosexuality as a "disorder," and Pope Francis' predecessor Pope Benedict XVI formally barred men with what the Vatican deemed "deep-seated" homosexuality from entering the priesthood.
"Who am I to judge a gay person of goodwill who seeks the Lord?" the pontiff said, speaking in Italian. "You can't marginalize these people."


John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter reported on the meeting as well and said the Pope also addressed the question of the Vatican's reported "gay lobby".

He hasn’t run into significant resistance to reform inside the Vatican, and joked that if there really is a “gay lobby” he hasn’t yet seen it stamped on anyone’s ID cards.

Father James Martin, S.J. who is an admirer of Francis, said that the pontiff's comment about gay people is consistent with the rest of his papacy.

"One of Francis's hallmarks is an emphasis on mercy, which you see in that response. That mercy, of course, comes from Jesus. And we can never have too much of it."

The pope did not offer much hope for those advocating for women Catholic priests, according to Allen at NCR, saying: Pope John Paul II “definitively … closed the door' to women priests.

More from the Associated Press:

ABOARD THE PAPAL AIRCRAFT — Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday, saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his first foreign trip.
"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis asked.

His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests. Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.

Francis' remarks came Monday during a plane journey back to the Vatican from his first foreign trip in Brazil.

He was funny and candid during a news conference that lasted almost an hour and a half. He didn't dodge a single question, even thanking the journalist who raised allegations reported by an Italian newsmagazine that one of his trusted monsignors was involved in a scandalous gay tryst.

Francis said he investigated and found nothing to back up the allegations.

Francis was asked about Italian media reports suggesting that a group within the church tried to blackmail fellow church officials with evidence of their homosexual activities. Italian media reported this year that the allegations contributed to Benedict's decision to resign

While stressing Catholic social teaching that calls for homosexuals to be treated with dignity and not marginalized, Francis said it was something else entirely to conspire to use private information for blackmail or to exert pressure.

Francis was responding to reports that a trusted aide was involved in an alleged gay tryst a decade ago. He said he investigated the allegations according to canon law and found nothing to back them up. But he took journalists to task for reporting on the matter, saying the allegations concerned matters of sin, not crimes like sexually abusing children.

And when someone sins and confesses, he said, God not only forgives but forgets.

"We don't have the right to not forget," he said.

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[Henry Tudor]

This man every day surprises me more!
Well ... maybe we are finally in front of a pope who acts like he has to act

 

[wdoall]

he acts with the teachings of christ and it's a beautiful thing

 

[abejarano12]

So this is the only Pope that truly acts like Jesus, now he just needs to do something about all the child fuckers and then he will be a great Pope.

 

[wdoall]

So this is the only Pope that truly acts like Jesus, now he just needs to do something about all the child fuckers and then he will be a great Pope.

He has started addressing that issue and has talked about it in the last week

 

[fatman0529]

his humility is refreshing

 

[Henry Tudor]

So this is the only Pope that truly acts like Jesus, now he just needs to do something about all the child fuckers and then he will be a great Pope.

Today I heard on the radio that the Pope supports gays. According to him if they are good people, because we can not accept?
He himself has acknowledged today that within the ecclesiastical curia much pederastrian ...

 

[Philbert]

he acts with the teachings of christ and it's a beautiful thing

I call bullshit on that.
You talk like a true believer, but every post that you make (coherent enough to read) pretty much "bears false witness" ...you sure don't get Christ, or much else.

 

[wdoall]

I call bullshit on that.
You talk like a true believer, but every post that you make (coherent enough to read) pretty much "bears false witness" ...you sure don't get Christ, or much else.

Unlike you who twists the words of Christ for your own sick beliefs, you are a pathetic waste of breath.

 

[assari]

Unlike you who twists the words of Christ for your own sick beliefs, you are a pathetic waste of breath.

Detroit vs. Texas...

Dear brothers, did you know that the squabbles is ugly and pointless activity?

Dedicate your life to love.

 

[wdoall]

maybe peace love and hippie crap but you got a good point it's not worth the time assari

 

[Philbert]

Unlike you who twists the words of Christ for your own sick beliefs, you are a pathetic waste of breath.

Can you show me an example where I twist the words of Christ for my own sick beliefs?
Just one is okay; while you're at it, can you quote a few of those sick beliefs I have?

Coherently or it doesn't count.

 

[Mariahxxx]

Well this new pope has said some very respectable things that are encouraging. however, he has yet to condemn his 2 predecessors for their cover ups and their outright ignoring of children being raped. when he does that Ill agree he's doing good things.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Well this new pope has said some very respectable things that are encouraging. however, he has yet to condemn his 2 predecessors for their cover ups and their outright ignoring of children being raped. when he does that Ill agree he's doing good things.

What the hell is the matter with you? Just be pleased with what is currently being said. If you're waiting for the leader of the Roman Catholic Church to stand up and say "Yeah, the previous two people, who I believe were appointed by God, were fools, and led you in bad ways." That's not happening. Look to see what this Pope can accomplish. He's made huge, impressive changes already. This is an obviously good man at the helm of the largest Christian group in the world. That's something to celebrate.

But, if it makes you feel better, just continue to talk baldly about Christians. It seems to get you off. But know this: the way you speak about it reflects quite a lot more on you than it does on the Christian church.

 

[Mariahxxx]

So by gones are by gones right? fast track Pope John Paul to Sainthood even though he turned his head on all those raped children? no problem.

fuck the catholic church.

 

[lurkingdirk]

So by gones are by gones right? fast track Pope John Paul to Sainthood even though he turned his head on all those raped children? no problem.

fuck the catholic church.

Yes. That's exactly what I said. I said "let's celebrate the history of molestation in the Roman Catholic Church." You got me there, don't you?

How about we see how this leader deals with that issue? We have no evidence as to how he's going to react to that situation. Damning him before we know is pretty shitty on your part. But that's okay. It's a predictable reaction from you.

 

[Mariahxxx]

I didnt damn him did I? I said when he steps up on the issue and failing of his 2 predecessors then Ill say he's doing good things. scroll up and read it.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Yeah, by implication you certainly didn't venerate him. See? There are implications to that which you write. However, I grow tired of you, yet again. I'm all done with you.

 

[Mariahxxx]

yeah yeah I say one thing you read another. what a shock