The word treason is being used. Forget federal prison, these fuckers need to hang
People get ready....
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I’m not sure I will ever be able to recover from that devastating burn.
The last paragraph of the memo contains the following sentence: “... The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok ...”
This undercuts the entire document as I believe it was months later that authorization to surveil Page was granted. This means that the probe was already underway and had nothing to do with Steele or Page and would be so even if they did not exist.
I suppose Nunes just forget to edit this out of the Republican memo.
I invite you to read the document and look the timeline and see the contradiction - it makes the document less than worthless - Trey Gowdy says the same thing, and he is right, too.
This undercuts the entire document as I believe it was months later that authorization to surveil Page was granted. This means that the probe was already underway and had nothing to do with Steele or Page and would be so even if they did not exist.
I suppose Nunes just forget to edit this out of the Republican memo.
I invite you to read the document and look the timeline and see the contradiction - it makes the document less than worthless - Trey Gowdy says the same thing, and he is right, too.
Um.. you are acting as if the memo itself is what is damning evidence, it is only the whistleblower’s tool that alerts everyone to what has happened. Memos are never perfect as they rely on recalling a great deal of information condensed into a small document. Even if Nunes made errors in the timeline when preparing the memo it does not change the actual classified information that is all but guaranteed to be investigated by the DOJ and eventually a special counsel.
The hero in all of this is Admiral Mike Rogers, who without his stewardship none of this would have been made known.
Rod Rosenstein should be worried. Mueller’s days as special counsel are numbered. Gowdy has always been a Mueller bootlicker.
Jeff Sessions is waiting to see if there is a reaction from FISC. If the warrants are withdrawn, shit is going to hit the fan.
I am not acting like anything other than a curious American citizen. Memos which are given such import such as this should be consistent and factual - they cannot be rife with internal contradiction. I agree with Trey Gowdy that this does not in any way undermine Mueller, FBI, or the DOJ.
It does, however, undermine the Nunes, his staff, and the entire Republican exercise.
This undercuts the entire document as I believe it was months later (October) that authorization to surveil Page was granted. This means that the probe was already underway and had nothing to do with Steele or Page and would be so even if they did not exist.
I suppose Nunes, his staff, and his fellow Republicans just forget to edit this out of the Republican memo.
That said, I am not sure that it matters: the fact that the Republican document may be nonsense does not mean that it may be ineffective. As a piece of propaganda it may yet be very effective ... note that the Democratic memo was blocked from simultaneous release thereby undermining any claim whatsoever to objectivity and transparency. Taking advantage of the news cycle and the short attention span of Americans is right out of the (Pravda, Goebbels, Castro, etc.) playbook. By the time the Democratic rebuttal memo is released, if ever, Republicans likely believe that many Americans will have moved on and that the waters will have been muddied. Millions of uninformed Americans will just remember (and eventually 'know') that they "heard somebody say something was fishy".
There does not need to be fire - just throw up some smoke!
Republicans do not have to be in possession of any facts whatsoever ... and the Republican memo may still be very effective (for their base) if it can be said to taint the conclusions of the investigations.
We'll see how it plays out ...
Wrong wrong wrong, only IF there had been one FISA warrant app. There were at least 3.
FISA has been abused as it was intended to surveill foreign nationals and terror persons of interest and suspects or suspected activity.
Carter Page’s surveillance stands only with its own application process.
The memo can have omissions and typos and errors but if the totality of what is outlined is determined to raise enough concerns it will happen, warts and all.
Trey Gowdy has never been a federal prosecutor and I am hearing actual federal prosecutors like Joe DiGenova and Andrew McCarthy say that it absolutely means Mueller must be dismissed.
If you are banking on the memo itself to be the barometer by which all of this is decided, you are going to be greatly disappointed.
Rosenstein on thin ice...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...586ea0-06c8-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html
Will Rosenstein fire Mueller to save his job? Or is Rosenstein terminated at DOJ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...586ea0-06c8-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html
Will Rosenstein fire Mueller to save his job? Or is Rosenstein terminated at DOJ?
The memo sabotages itself !
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42827167Nunes memo: Key extracts and what they mean
After days - weeks - of breathless anticipation, the secret memo is a secret no more. Was it a bomb or a dud?
Written by House Intelligence Committee chair Devin Nunes and his staff, the memo was being billed by some conservatives as revealing misdeeds "worse than Watergate" and offences "a hundred times bigger" than what prompted the American Revolution.
Meanwhile Democrats in Congress, and members of Donald Trump's Justice Department, were fighting to keep the memo, warning that it contained "material omissions" and threatened revealing important intelligence-gathering methods.
That's a lot to pack into a four-page document.
So what's the scoop? Here's a look at four key passages from the memo, and what they mean.
The words "essential part" do the heavy lifting in this paragraph. This sets up the central point of the memo that the application to begin surveillance of Carter Page was dependent upon information contained in the Steele dossier - the collection of raw intelligence information, much of which has not been substantiated and some of which is quite salacious - compiled by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele.
The memo notes that Steele's efforts were funded in part by the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, although it neglects to mention that the Fusion GPS opposition research effort directed toward Mr Trump was originally bankrolled by a prominent conservative donor and activist.
The memo asserts that the FBI did not present evidence of this possible bias to the Fisa judge tasked with reviewing the surveillance warrant - and that this is evidence of, at best, neglect or, at worst, an anti-Trump agenda.
As further evidence of Steele's bias, the memo recounts how Steele, during contacts with a senior Justice Department official, expressed negative views about Mr Trump.
Bruce Ohr, the official in question, made a record of Steele's opinions - somewhat undercutting the accusation of rampant bias within the department, given that a truly compromised individual wouldn't jot that sort of thing down. That notwithstanding, the memo says this information also should have been - but wasn't - included in the Fisa application.
For a bit of context, the Fisa warrant review system was established by Congress in 1978 and, as of 2013, had reviewed more than 35,000 surveillance requests. Of that number, the judges on the court had rejected only 12 applications.
The question, then, is whether knowing a bit more about Christopher Steele's motivations or opinions would have been enough to put this application in the very small pile of discarded requests. Or would the evidence Steele presented, or other information that the Nunes memo may have omitted, have stood on its own and justified the surveillance?
The portion of this paragraph questioning James Comey's decision to inform Mr Trump about the dossier was probably well-received by the president, but it seems irrelevant to the point. It does, however, somewhat mischaracterise how the then-FBI director described the Steele dossier.
Yes, Mr Comey used the words "salacious and unverified" - but that was only in relation to portions of the dossier. He declined to comment on the veracity of certain "criminal allegations" in other parts of the dossier - at least in open testimony.
With this in mind, the final line of this paragraph is of particular note. The memo asserts that Andrew McCabe, the then-deputy director of the FBI, testified that there would have been no surveillance request without the dossier.
If this is in fact an accurate characterisation of Mr McCabe's testimony, then it would go a long way toward substantiating the memo's contention that the dossier and the surveillance request are inextricably linked. But without Mr McCabe's actual testimony, this becomes a very big "if".
The last paragraph of the Nunes memo contains a somewhat jaw-dropping "oh, by the way" aside.
The memo makes a considerable effort to draw a line from the Steele dossier to the Page surveillance request to questions about the legitimacy of the Russia investigation as a whole. The memo then notes it was information about George Papadopoulos, another Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, that prompted the launch of the FBI counterintelligence investigation in July 2016 - months before the Page surveillance request was granted.
Papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian nationals while a Trump campaign adviser and was told by one contact that the Russians had "dirt" on Mrs Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails".
The memo doesn't address any of this, instead opting to recount how that investigation was initiated by Peter Strzok, a senior FBI agent who has since become mired in a scandal surrounding an affair with a co-worker in which they made derogatory remarks about Mr Trump via text message on government mobile phones.
The beautiful part of all of this is that it will be decided by a jury and not pundits, the media and armchair quarterbacks.
Can’t wait.
Can’t wait.
Careful now Hoss, you are spending an awful lot of time over here...
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New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Not really, not that it's relevant to the topic. You seem to have found a way to manage your inappropriate outbursts, at least for now. Lamenting amount of time and where it's spent trends you back to where you were, though. I do commend you for at least trying to contain yourself. I'll post where and what I want, within the confines of the forum rules, of course.
On topic: Nunes and everyone else involved in the GOP conspiracy to obstruct justice deserve to go to prison.
GOP base is Snobby rich folks or half wit fools.
They covet one for the $$ and the other for how easy it is to whip them up.
I cannot believe that there are so many people in this country that will take any contrived ‘story’ as fact without a shred of reality.
A shame that we all do not vote because this minority of half wits would fade away.
Rod Stewart and Jeff Beck. Here it is ... If we review some of your outbursts, clearly, you aren’t as in control of yourself as you expect others to be.
Pretty sure that is apparent to a few around here by now.
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New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Ok. Sure. Whatever. I don't feel the need to respond to anything you post with, "omg!!!" or something similar, take pot shots at you in threads you're not even participating in, or make personal remarks about you when I do respond to you. But yeah, I'm the one with a lack of self restraint. Yeah, that's about as accurate as referring to Nunes as anything other than a Trump stooge, but whatever makes it easier for you, bro.
Keep telling yourself that. Harassment is a two way street. You Might want to keep an eye on the road signs.
But yeah, back on topic, once the special counsel rolls up his or her sleeves in the dirty surveillance of American citizens, we’ll see that “ restraint “ of yours in full view. People get ready...
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