You truly don't have a clue.
Agree to disagree or just put me on ignore. :tongue:
Occupy Wall Street... mansions
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Agree to disagree or just put me on ignore. :tongue:
Bwahahahahahahaha.
I seriously loled at this. I can't rep you man, but I'd like to.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Not to worry. I repped him for you. :1orglaugh
SabrinaDeep
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Hiya Bobo
I don't judge what happens around me simply based on who does or does not support me taking loads over my face. Trust me, i knit a lot and when i knit i have a lot of time to think, which makes me a bit wider than voting simply based on my professional interests. I have to tell you though that the porn industry has probably never been so much under attack like in this period...Obama for sure does not support me taking loads over my face for a living more than Bush did.Am i conservative? Of course i am! We all are, you included. We all would like to conservate the status of certain things, especially of those that give us some privileges on a personal level. Can you deny that? I don't think so. But then i'm also a progressist about certain other things and most of the times i find myself to be a progressist about those things that if changed can bring more privileges to me on a personal level. As you see labels are just that...labels.
I suspect though that you wanted to know if i support Obama and i have no problems to tell you that no, i don't support Obama. I have never supported Obama from the start and i certainly couldn't support him today. It was clear to me that his electoral promises were not meant to be kept since he was just backed by the same corporations and lobbies that supported president Bush before him. He has no power, no balls, no courage and no ideas and i believe that he will be remembered in the future like the worst president of the USA after Jimmy Carter and together with Lyndon Johnson. And no, i was not a supporter of Bush Jr.
But he did keep most of his promises.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
Really? Carter and LBJ (who passed Civil Rights, the Great Society Programs) worse than Bush 2, Nixon or Buchanan?
SabrinaDeep
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I totally agree with you. Homeless and jobless ppl praying Steve Jobs as if he was the Messiah and queuing in the middle of the night to be the first to get their iPhone 5. Same ppl owning pickups as big as trucks which they drive even for moving from their dining room to their bathroom; unemployed kids who always have some weed and a beer to share. Families drying their CCs to buy the new 3D plasma TVs. Yes there are real poor ppl out there who work hard or who would like to work hard if they got a chance and they deserve to be helped. But wanting to deny that many other ppl made themselves poor in first istance with their own stupid behaviour is just ridiculous.
Many ppl don't want to sweat for saving anymore; they get a credit card and they think that that's their money and they spend it for useless crap until they get broken and start blaming the rest of the world. I'm not taking a holiday since 7 years, i don't have a car because i prefer to walk and to use public transports and save that money for reinvesting it in my biz and to buy my own house without the need to get a mortgage; i use only prepaid credit cards; i take no loans; i have an old, used Moto pink Rzr which does its job astoundingly and i could continue... Just because of this i have saved 1000's of dollars every year which partly i have put away and partly i have reinvested in my biz for which i work 14/16 Hrs each and every day, 7 days a week. Sure, Wall Street, bankers, the government: they are all responsible for this situation, but if people don't have any savings the responsability is mainly theirs, of course with exceptions.
SabrinaDeep
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I hope you are joking. It's not about numbers, it's about what those numbers are attached to. Look at the promises he kept and to those which he didn't keep. Don't do your propaganda with me, it won't work. As i said above: i knit and i have got time to think.
And yes, really: Johnson has been a terrible president and if you cite things you should first document yourself and if you did you should tell it all and not just what's convenient for supporting your statement. Civil Rights bill was proposed initially by Eisenhower in 1957 followed by Voting rights bill in 1959 still proposed by Eisenhower and both were killed by the Democtaric wing of the Senate of which Johnson was part. The worst opponents to the rights for black ppl were the Democrats; particularly the Southern wing of the Senate. The Democrats have opposed to rights of black ppl for nearly a century, to the contrary of the Republicans.
Anyway, when the bills passed in 1964 and 1965 they passed with a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both occasions and Johnson simply took the merit because he was president after having adversed those bills a decade before. His sudden support for black ppl through the Great Society programs have been the most disastrous shyte ever, for black ppl who are still paying the social consequences today. Johnson was a president with no honor, no ideas (or terrible ones) and no balls; it reminds me Obama a lot, honestly.
About Carter well...do you really want me to say why he is the worst president that USA have ever had? Just to say one, all the last 30 years of crap happening in the middle east and indirectly in many other parts of the world is thanks to peanut Jimmy.
Buchanan? Yes, he's in the club too for sure, but we are talking another era there. Nixon is often remembered only for Vietnam and the watergate (surely am immane disgrace), but his economical, foreign affairs, civil rights and enviromental merits are immensely important: he was the one who opened up relations with USSR and China, he established the new federalism as we know it today and he was one of the few to have a balanced budget; he released the clear air act and created the enviromental protection agency (forget Al Gore); last but not least he signed the equal rights amendment and the first sex discrimination act.
Bush? Time will tell. What i know for sure is that since pacifist Obama is in power american soldiers keep dieing in the Middle East despite of electoral promises and he has started three new wars (Lybia, Yemen, Somalia).
Who said it was about numbers alone? Here is a list of his Top 25 promises, he kept most of them.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/politifacts-top-promises/
This is nothing but revisionist right-wing history of the Civil Rights movement.
While the Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act at a higher rate than Republicans, within each region (i.e., Southern vs Non-Southern), the Democrats voted FOR the CRA at a higher rate than Republicans (the discrepancy being that the South didn't have many Republican Congressmen and Senators).
To show a comparison:
Southern Democratic Senators: 5% approval
Southern Republican Senators: 0% approval
Southern Democratic Congressmen: 7% approval
Southern Republican Congressmen: 0% approval
Northern Democratic Senators: 98% approval
Northern Republican Senators: 84% approval
Northern Democratic Congressmen: 94% approval
Northern Republican Congressmen: 85% approval
So the Southern Democrats are racists? Yes, they were. But have you heard of the "Southern Strategy"? The Republicans actively courted the old Southern "Dixiecrats" (i.e., Conservative Democrats upset with losing on the Civil Rights Act), and with their switching parties, the Republicans went from being a marginal power in the South to becoming some of their biggest strongholds. LBJ said "We have lost the South for a generation" for a reason. All it took was the Northern Republicans actively embracing a racially-charged agenda for their party platform.
So he is bad because of what's happening in the middle east but Reagan(Iran Contra Affair), Bush 1(Gulf war) and Bush 2 (Iraq war) get a pass? How many people died in the last Iraq war and let's compare it to the numbers caused by Carter. The US middle east policy goes back further than Carter and why doesn't Reagan get any blame for extending the Carter Doctrine?
There is also the bombing of Cambodia and a secret war in Laos.
You should really look up 'Southern Strategy' which started under Nixon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
And this was at a time when millions were dying under Mao.
Incorrect, he ran a budget deficit for most of his term.
http://federal-budget.findthebest.com/d/d/Richard-Nixon
So Nixon gets credit for signing ERA but not LBJ for CRA because of racist Democrats who became Republicans later?
So time will tell on Bush even when hundreds and thousands of people are already dead in Iraq but Obama is bad already for 'new wars' in Libya, Yemen and Somalia? Also he never made any promises to be a 'pacifist', he was pretty clear that he will go after terrorists in Afghanistan and other parts of the world.
emceeemcee
Banned
if you are naive even to believe bankers and financial sector parasites got into the business for the altruism factor then I guess my comments would seem like some kind of conspiracy theory
SabrinaDeep
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And you are not doing any left-wing revisionism, are you?
You seem to defend anything that is from the Democrats no matter what, to be honest. You will never change your mind no matter what. You will never vote for Republicans just by principle, so what are we talking about? Personally i like to vote based on facts and if i could have voted in the US, i would have switched parties so many times...An ideal is simply never enough to change things for the better.
Action changes things for the better and action can be taken only by men, not by abstract entities like parties so, with all due respect: fuck the parties and their attached ideals. I like to judge people based on what they do according to what they have said they would have done. It's a transaction: i give you my vote because you tell me that you will use it to do certain things in a certain way that appeals to me; if you fail you will not get my vote again. It's that simple.
One last thing: but if Obama has done so good, so far, why the heck there are ppl protesting all over America against unemployment, poverty, war and Obama's ratings are so down? They wouldn't be all Republicans would they? They wouldn't be all brainless idiots, would they? It wouldn't be Bush2's fault, would it?
emceeemcee
Banned
A majority of the anti-Obama protesters do indeed appear to be brainless idiots.
I've seen more opposition to Obama based on his supposed Islamic faith, fake birth certificate and communist party membership than I've seen protests objecting to his expansion of wars and secrecy laws, donations from wall street and disregard of the constitution.
Most people are poorly informed and easily fooled.
SabrinaDeep
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So if he has lost 35% of his consensus he has lost it from the idiotic and uninformed side of the US population? Were they uninformed idiots when they voted for Obama? Because in that case he shouldn't have won the elections, right? So who fooled these idiots? Obama when he convinced them to vote for him or Obama when he is not convincing them that he is doing a good job? How constructive is to call idiots whoever disagree with you?
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Why don't you talk with your butt. :tongue:
Correct, I am.
Left-wing revisionism. He does defend socialism no matter what.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I'm not a Carter fan, but I think one would find it extremely difficult to (successfully) make the argument that he is the worst President that the U.S. has ever had. To take that crown from the heads of Warren G. Harding, Andrew Johnson, et al is not so easy.
No offense, but this is more an example of what Galbraith observed about human nature:
"Every generation's memory is exactly as long as its own experience."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
Much like Herbert Hoover, history's view of W. Bush may change as the years go by. But also like Hoover, I doubt that history will all of a sudden overlook his massive economic and foreign policy failures. And if the U.S. is at war with Libya, Yemen or Somalia... that's news to me. I was in favor of military action against Afghanistan - it is now time to end that though. But I am, and will always be, against the continuing nation building exercises in both Afghanistan and Iraq... and most any place else. Neocons are in favor of nation building though. They love to give away American taxpayer dollars to other nations (especially when lobbyists from "certain nations" fill their corrupt pockets with $). As for Iraq, we shouldn't have been there to begin with. This was perhaps the biggest fraud and lie ever hoisted on the (ignorant) American people. Over a trillion dollars shot down a rathole and thousands of American soldiers dead, all because Bush and his neocon (and Evangelical Zionist) supporters had 40%+ of the American people convinced that one or more of the 9/11 hijackers was an Iraqi. That's where our ham-fisted, slack-jawed, half-witted, hoople-head, armchair patriots got the slogan "We're better of fightin' them over there than over here." They weren't coming over here in the first place!!! The truth was, not a single one of those hijackers was Iraqi, and Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden didn't even like each other! There was no link there! There was no threat to the United States from Iraq. And except for a personal/family beef (and the nefarious goals of "other interests"), we had no reason whatsoever to be in that country! Carter didn't do anything but continue on the foolish foreign policy path that the United States got on in the late 1940's. And I fully believe that we will continue on that crooked path until we've spent our last dime (that we'll borrow from the Chinese).
If history is kind to George W., best case, it will give him a D, instead of the D- or F that most people would probably give him now. But the chances of him climbing to a C... well, that's somewhere between slim and none. And Slim has left town.
SabrinaDeep
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US is at war with Libya, Yemen and Somalia indeed. The fact that that's news to you does not surprise me though. It just scares me.
SabrinaDeep
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Oh and yes, Bush will not be remembered like the best US president for sure. He's pretty low in my rankings.
According to your logic bankers and and financial sector specialists went into their profession to be "parasites".
So stating the fact that Dixiecrats were CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS who changed sides after CRA is revisionism? How do these Conservative Democrats represent the Left for me to defend them? These facts are easily verifiable if you do a cursory google search.
Right, that's exactly what I am saying. It's not the parties, its about idealogy. That's why Lincoln as a Republican fought the civil war and supported progressive taxation.
And what exactly have the Republicans done to deserve your vote? Invaded other countries based on lies, authored bills to repeal Glass Steagall which caused the financial crisis, more and more tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations, cutting the social net in the name of deficits, restricting women's right to choose, marginalizing gays, treating minorities unfairly, trying to criminalize pornography etc etc.
Because Obama has done a mediocre job when it comes to tackling unemployment, a 200 billion direct stimulus in a 14 trillion economy was hardly going to be a lasting solution. The recession was second only to the Great Depression and yet policy response was meek. The debate then became about austerity which is causing the same issues in Eurozone as well.
Now if you look at what happened in the 30's.
1932- 23.6%. FDR elected in landslide in response to massive unemployment after 12 years of GOP rule.
1933- 25%
March 1933- FDR takes office. "First New Deal" begins. Lasts until mid-1937.
1934- 21.60%
1935- 19.97%
1936- 16.80%
1937- 14.18%
In mid-1937, FDR is swayed by a group arguing that the government needed to adopt austerity and cut spending for budgetary reasons.
1938- 18.91%
FDR stops listening to the slashers, restores New Deal policies, and:
1939- 17.05%
1940- 14.45%
1941- 9.66%
Obviously, at the end of 1941, the US entered WW II. Unemployment fell to below 3% as there was plenty of work to be done.
Correct, I am.
Exept when it comes to numbers
So tell me, where did these Southern Democrats go after CRA passed? Why did the South became a Republican stronghold right after CRA passed? Why did a Republican Chairman APOLOGIZE for using the Southern Strategy?
"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-GOP-racial-politics_x.htm
