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Don't be so rough on Gibbs, it must be hard trying to cover up all Obamas secrets ,lies and misrepresentations .
Obama Press Secretary acting juvenile
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Your conjecture doesn't frighten or dissuade me. I've never heard of Boxite and, apparently, neither has anyone else. Would you find it surprising to learn that the mineral you cited is called Bauxite? If you don't care enough about the precise details such as spellings of certain things--why should I believe anything else you write about it? Since we hardly have any wind farms in use presently, I should think that we could do better than a mere 4% increase. You're right, if that's the best we could do--then let's all ramp up those coal plants, drill offshore and turn ourselves into Morlocks in 20 years...:dunno:
I don't have time to correct this faulty paragraph. I have done it in other threads. In case you aren't aware, we are in the worst recession since the Great Depression, which was worse than a recession. There aren't any jobs for the 1000 Mexicans anymore. It has been proven by several sources that "illegal aliens" do not "tax" the healthcare system. Instead, they go without care because they can't afford it and they don't want to risk getting deported. In fact, "illegals" are leaving the country because of the lack of jobs. Another 15 years of this recession and there won't be any undocumented to grant amnesty to.
We do live and eat poorly. I'm all for addressing those concerns. No argument from me. But simply thinking we can "eat" or "run" our way to cheaper healthcare is ridiculous. Americans will still go bankrupt seeking healthcare because when Americans become sick, that's when the insurance company says, "No."
And George Bush rammed through 2 immoral tax cuts during times of war. No president has ever cut taxes during war time. Big O needs to tear up those Bush tax cuts IMMEDIATELY, withdraw all troops from Iraq (and other overseas places), renegotiate NAFTA and increase a couple of other taxes in order to really *change* this country away from the present shithole course it's been on since 2004.
This kind of thinking is a slippery slope to Hitler. If we don't have evidence, we don't arrest. We don't arrest and wait around for years for evidence or torture to get evidence. Terrorists do not want to take over America and enslave our people. We need to stop acting like they are a traditional "enemy" and we need to stop creating names like "insurgents" in order to keep the war effort going. We did not invade Iraq to battle "insurgents." National Security begins, I dunno, at home maybe:dunno: Maybe we need to try more of that.
This is known as a comma splice. You needed to have connected these two statements with a co-ordinating conjunction--like and, but, for, etc.
Your politics can be classified as "the politics of the old," fwiw. We need "the politics of the new." :thumbsup:
Facetious
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Loud and Clear ! :bowdown: :hatsoff:
It's both creepy and alarming how a man can be so celebrated for emphasizing nothing other than tried and failed socialistic / communistic political policies. What imagination does that take ? It doesn't !
What is even more creepier and startling is that the man is fully scripted. He looks to the right and then he looks to the left, he looks to the right again, he looks to the left again etc. ad nauseam, a truly a teleprompted president with no ideas of his own. Obama's handlers have developed a good "sounding'' well presented, other than old white guy persona that has shown to be effective. You have to give the twirps some well deserved credit.
At least we're now seeing some well deserved resistance from the press (as seen in the video). It was only a matter of time for people to wake up and finally tire of this ''hands off'' B.O. presidency.
I always say - leave some room for bootin' our president in the ass when needed, no matter what the political orientation may be, otherwise, you're risking the creation of a monster.
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So, a black man (or half black/half white), even one who somehow graduated from Harvard, who somehow became president of the Law Review, who somehow fooled the Univ of Chicago Law School (#4 in the Nation) into hiring him as a professor where he probably did not lecture via teleprompter, who somehow made it through televised, unteleprompted debates, who somehow was able to correct a Supreme Court Justice's gaffe during the swearing in ceremony, is nothing but a vessel for behind-the-scenes white limousine liberal socialists hellbent on causing GOP congressmen to have adulterous affairs, all while working to destroy the nation and bring us to our knees in front of our Chinese and Middle East masters?
Does that about sum it up?
So, a black man (or half black/half white), even one who somehow graduated from Harvard, who somehow became president of the Law Review, who somehow fooled the Univ of Chicago Law School (#4 in the Nation) into hiring him as a professor where he probably did not lecture via teleprompter, who somehow made it through televised, unteleprompted debates, who somehow was able to correct a Supreme Court Justice's gaffe during the swearing in ceremony, is nothing but a vessel for behind-the-scenes white limousine liberal socialists hellbent on causing GOP congressmen to have adulterous affairs, all while working to destroy the nation and bring us to our knees in front of our Chinese and Middle East masters?
Does that about sum it up?
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OK so I watched it 3 times just to really get a sense of the mood in the room and it's plain to see that this group (members of the press) have simply had it with his Gibbs and his inappropriate obligatory laugh in prior to each and every news conference. What is with this guy ? how could he possibly carry on with his cutesy attitude when everybody else appears stone cold serious ?
^^ The man clearly has no ideas all his own !
Everything can be found on the "open society institute website"
This is a figurehead President ! A sophomoric figurehead presidentat that !:1orglaugh The guykisses the ring of Kastro, Ortega, che guevera if he could
^^ The man clearly has no ideas all his own !
Everything can be found on the "open society institute website"
This is a figurehead President ! A sophomoric figurehead presidentat that !:1orglaugh The guykisses the ring of Kastro, Ortega, che guevera if he could
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APxJyuEXjW4
vvv4:16 is a riot!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0127dZfh8Ms&NR=1
I'd say Gibbs is safe...:1orglaugh
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Yeah what he said
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The Paulinator
Spreading the seed
The whole point of this video is that the WHPC is beginning to feel like the honeymoon is over. This is the administration which has promised more transparency, yet they continue to shut out the press in their day-to-day dealings. Not overly secretive, just not as open as the Press Corps had believed they would.
I am beginning to feel that the news media sources close to the administration had believed, at the time they were promoting him, that they would somehow be included in decision making processes (as ridiculous as that sounds). They may have believed that they were the "Fourth Estate" in policy shaping.
Tough nuts to them. The White House has a job to do. The press corps has a job to do.
Their attitude will probably resemble the Tony Snow days soon. Just a big soap-opera. Promises to be fun.
My 2cents, flame away.
I am beginning to feel that the news media sources close to the administration had believed, at the time they were promoting him, that they would somehow be included in decision making processes (as ridiculous as that sounds). They may have believed that they were the "Fourth Estate" in policy shaping.
Tough nuts to them. The White House has a job to do. The press corps has a job to do.
Their attitude will probably resemble the Tony Snow days soon. Just a big soap-opera. Promises to be fun.
My 2cents, flame away.
Certainly the "honeymoon" concept isn't an Obama one-off is it??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZrrfW1alos
The Paulinator
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Nothing unique here. I guess now they're "the conservative media" Boogeymen (and women)
People are so much fun to observe
Nothing unique here. I guess now they're "the conservative media" Boogeymen (and women)
People are so much fun to observe
Personally, I think the press by and large is the press and for the most part they are loyal to the scoop. But after a 20 year campaign by the right to paint anyone who doesn't subscribe to their buzz words as "lib media" has conspired to create a timid, defensive mainstream press in the US.
The press always does their job one way or the other provided the same scoop is out there one way or the other.
Prime example, John Ensign's affair was reported to Fox months ago by the husband of Ensign's mistress. Fox sat on the story..they apparently didn't pursue it's validity or anything as they realized from the content of the disclosure that they were the only bearers of the information.
Here's the deal ...
All I know is that every President we've had has either been born affluent or spoiled for awhile now. None of them have even remotely spoken for my views since, and even this is a stretch, Ross Perot. Perot made me cringe at times, but he was honestly thinking about small business.
But time is long gone, Gore sold people sitting-the-fence on NAFTA, and Clinton and the Republican Congress rode the .COM boom. And we've been throwing things at the results of that for far too long.
Obama doesn't speak for me any more than W. did. Although I think Clinton's "women's rights" and Gore's "environmentalism" made me want to shoot my brains out to end the hypocrisy. W. was an idiot, but at least he did what he said he would do. Obama just told people what they wanted to hear (like Reagan).
Although I don't blame Obama. Politicians reflect our lack of our own reflection. There's no "conspiracy theory" here. There is only the continuing legacy of the American consumer who long stopped caring about actually producing anything. Nothing Obama says or does can fix that.
All I know is that every President we've had has either been born affluent or spoiled for awhile now. None of them have even remotely spoken for my views since, and even this is a stretch, Ross Perot. Perot made me cringe at times, but he was honestly thinking about small business.
But time is long gone, Gore sold people sitting-the-fence on NAFTA, and Clinton and the Republican Congress rode the .COM boom. And we've been throwing things at the results of that for far too long.
Obama doesn't speak for me any more than W. did. Although I think Clinton's "women's rights" and Gore's "environmentalism" made me want to shoot my brains out to end the hypocrisy. W. was an idiot, but at least he did what he said he would do. Obama just told people what they wanted to hear (like Reagan).
Although I don't blame Obama. Politicians reflect our lack of our own reflection. There's no "conspiracy theory" here. There is only the continuing legacy of the American consumer who long stopped caring about actually producing anything. Nothing Obama says or does can fix that.
Re: Here's the deal ...
There's no evidence Obama was spoiled and he certainly wasn't a product of wealth.
What have we "been throwing" at the results of "the .COM boom" (exactly)?
In the ages of globalization, industrialization and profit margins, why on earth would Americans continue to pursue industries which pay 100 times more to manufacture simple products here than can be manufactured somewhere else?? Americans must be innovative pure and simple.
Obama ran on closing GiTMO. His first act was an executive order closing GiTMO within a year. He ran on ending our active role in Iraq. That is happening. He ran on specific tax cuts. His tax cuts passed before a month of his presidency elapsed. He ran on sending more troops to Afghanistan. He's done exactly that. He ran on pressuring Pakistan to engage the Taliban and AQ. That is now happening more in 6 months than in 6 years. He ran on repairing/improving our national image among our allies. He's doing that. He ran on healthcare reform. In spite of being hamstrung by the worst economy in generations he's vigorously pursuing that and has garnered unprecedented assurances from the industry.
Some people have trouble with the so-called transparency issue but we'll ultimately see how that plays out once some of the Bush era lawsuits are settled.
The guy is doing largely what he campaigned on and the majority voted for.
There's no evidence Obama was spoiled and he certainly wasn't a product of wealth.
What have we "been throwing" at the results of "the .COM boom" (exactly)?
In the ages of globalization, industrialization and profit margins, why on earth would Americans continue to pursue industries which pay 100 times more to manufacture simple products here than can be manufactured somewhere else?? Americans must be innovative pure and simple.
Obama ran on closing GiTMO. His first act was an executive order closing GiTMO within a year. He ran on ending our active role in Iraq. That is happening. He ran on specific tax cuts. His tax cuts passed before a month of his presidency elapsed. He ran on sending more troops to Afghanistan. He's done exactly that. He ran on pressuring Pakistan to engage the Taliban and AQ. That is now happening more in 6 months than in 6 years. He ran on repairing/improving our national image among our allies. He's doing that. He ran on healthcare reform. In spite of being hamstrung by the worst economy in generations he's vigorously pursuing that and has garnered unprecedented assurances from the industry.
Some people have trouble with the so-called transparency issue but we'll ultimately see how that plays out once some of the Bush era lawsuits are settled.
The guy is doing largely what he campaigned on and the majority voted for.
Re: Here's the deal ...
The US could really use a small business owner (or even a larger one) that made him/herself from far less initial status. Kerry was a joke compared to W. (people forget that), and I'm not going to touch the Clintons (although they sure had a lot of trash around them). I never liked or voted for the Bushes (Jeb was the only one tolerable, and that's not saying much).
Michael Bednarik is about the only guy I half-way associate with, Perot is a stretch.
I said he was affluent. There have been many such for far too long. I'm not saying he was the most, far from it. But people having options provided for them.
The US could really use a small business owner (or even a larger one) that made him/herself from far less initial status. Kerry was a joke compared to W. (people forget that), and I'm not going to touch the Clintons (although they sure had a lot of trash around them). I never liked or voted for the Bushes (Jeb was the only one tolerable, and that's not saying much).
Michael Bednarik is about the only guy I half-way associate with, Perot is a stretch.
Artificial money in housing. Now it's just directly into businesses. It can't keep going on. There is a point where the US dollar will be trashed (I predict by next summer, but I could be wrong).
I continue to wholly disagree with you. Little has changed.
Re: Here's the deal ...
Now you're rambling IMO...I'm not sure what you expect. Our recent POTUSs have come from all walks of life...whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Carter was from a farming family, Reagan's family lived above a bank when he was a child and were virtually vagabonds, Bush was from old wealth, Clinton dirt poor from a broken home, Bush again, old money and Obama was raised by his grandparents who were fairly self-made...That certainly doesn't suggest we've been presided over by the elites of the elites.
No one threw artificial money in housing. The Fed created a climate of "free money" by holding interest rates low despite the demand for money...in across the board lending...not just housing. The calculation by the administration was that injecting money into the economy by lending would spur growth....They were not incorrect...the problem came in the form of exorbitant gasoline pricing which was the primary reason for the tanking of our economy as well as others around the world. When people max out their credit and gasoline spending is sucking money away from other, typical spending...people are going to start getting laid off (unless you're in the oil and gasoline business or in Iraq).
Facts are facts...disagree all you want but it's a fact that Obama campaigned on closing GiTMO...it was his 1st order of business. He campaigned on a different approach in Iraq and Afghanistan...he's doing it...I mean, I could continue but I think you get the point...
And I get the point too....Obama is not your political stripe...so you don't agree with most if not anything he's doing...probably hope he fails to the detriment of the country just to spite him or Demos...I get it. What I don't get is how you can contend with a straight face he's not largely doing what he campaigned on and the majority of voters saw fit to vote for.
Now you're rambling IMO...I'm not sure what you expect. Our recent POTUSs have come from all walks of life...whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Carter was from a farming family, Reagan's family lived above a bank when he was a child and were virtually vagabonds, Bush was from old wealth, Clinton dirt poor from a broken home, Bush again, old money and Obama was raised by his grandparents who were fairly self-made...That certainly doesn't suggest we've been presided over by the elites of the elites.
No one threw artificial money in housing. The Fed created a climate of "free money" by holding interest rates low despite the demand for money...in across the board lending...not just housing. The calculation by the administration was that injecting money into the economy by lending would spur growth....They were not incorrect...the problem came in the form of exorbitant gasoline pricing which was the primary reason for the tanking of our economy as well as others around the world. When people max out their credit and gasoline spending is sucking money away from other, typical spending...people are going to start getting laid off (unless you're in the oil and gasoline business or in Iraq).
Facts are facts...disagree all you want but it's a fact that Obama campaigned on closing GiTMO...it was his 1st order of business. He campaigned on a different approach in Iraq and Afghanistan...he's doing it...I mean, I could continue but I think you get the point...
And I get the point too....Obama is not your political stripe...so you don't agree with most if not anything he's doing...probably hope he fails to the detriment of the country just to spite him or Demos...I get it. What I don't get is how you can contend with a straight face he's not largely doing what he campaigned on and the majority of voters saw fit to vote for.
Re: Here's the deal ...
I'm not saying Obama is to blame. I'm just saying nothing has changed.
The pictures are my favorite. He claims they are "not as bad" as ones during the W. administration -- pictures that were obtained and released -- but won't. That's pure hypocrisy given his campaign on "transparency." Honestly, how can you explain such? You keep saying Gitmo in the same "lip service" as Obama. I'm a huge ACLU supporter, farthest you can get from "being a Republican," so answer me on that?
Again, I will re-state, do not mistake me for a Republican. Do not make your responses to me like common Republican attitudes, as I do not have them!
As far as Iraq, that was all decided before he entered office. We'll see when something changes that was not decided before him.
My biggest issue is that Obama is just continuing the same, failed policies of W., like Clinton before him, etc... We are consumer-focused, we don't have free trade (just free trade for everyone else shipping into the US), etc... We Libertarians do believe in regulation, tariffs, etc... to promote equal trade. A lot of things have been sold by Democrats and Republicans as "free" that are not.
Until the US actually starts looking for "equal" status as trading partners, and stops it's various policies that are destroying this country (from H1B to services, making it damn difficult for highly educated immigrants to stay in this country while making it easy for illegals and "guest workers" who can't even afford to pay for insurance, etc...), we're chronically fucked. Yes, I'm a Libertarian-Capitalist saying this, but most people don't understand us. They can find things they disagree with Democrats or Republicans, and pick'n choose what they don't dislike about "the other party" from both.
No, I meant artificially created money by extreme money multipliers -- first in the .COM boom, then again in the housing boom. You do understand the amount of money in the economic is dynamic, correct? Now we're trying to backfill that with just direct, federal money that doesn't exist.
I'm not saying Obama is to blame. I'm just saying nothing has changed.
Gitmo has not been closed! He's had to restate his policies over and over on Gitmo, the tribunals, etc... He actually brought back many of the W. policies. That's the irony. He's been withholding pictures on detainees, withholding access to them, doing the same things to the ACLU that W. did, etc... He campaigned on "transparency" and then turned around and said (essentially), "oh, the W. policy is what we should still do."
The pictures are my favorite. He claims they are "not as bad" as ones during the W. administration -- pictures that were obtained and released -- but won't. That's pure hypocrisy given his campaign on "transparency." Honestly, how can you explain such? You keep saying Gitmo in the same "lip service" as Obama. I'm a huge ACLU supporter, farthest you can get from "being a Republican," so answer me on that?
Again, I will re-state, do not mistake me for a Republican. Do not make your responses to me like common Republican attitudes, as I do not have them!
I will utterly agree with you on Afghanistan. I have always praised Obama on his stances on Afghanistan and North Korea. It continues to piss me off when people re-state things about his stances or blame others for the stances (e.g., the Republicans on North Korea). North Korea has been a problem since well before W., one that everyone universally agrees (Japan, South Korea, China, etc...) was made worse by Jimmy Carter negotiating a US v. North Korea only policy (not even really a fault of Clinton, and the Clinton administration was against Carter's outside influence until the damage was done).
As far as Iraq, that was all decided before he entered office. We'll see when something changes that was not decided before him.
When did I ever "hope he fails?" Do not throw me in that pile of shit with the Republicans (or like Democrats on W. before Obama). I never stated such. Stop thinking I'm "against Obama" or throwing anything I say as "against Obama."
My biggest issue is that Obama is just continuing the same, failed policies of W., like Clinton before him, etc... We are consumer-focused, we don't have free trade (just free trade for everyone else shipping into the US), etc... We Libertarians do believe in regulation, tariffs, etc... to promote equal trade. A lot of things have been sold by Democrats and Republicans as "free" that are not.
Until the US actually starts looking for "equal" status as trading partners, and stops it's various policies that are destroying this country (from H1B to services, making it damn difficult for highly educated immigrants to stay in this country while making it easy for illegals and "guest workers" who can't even afford to pay for insurance, etc...), we're chronically fucked. Yes, I'm a Libertarian-Capitalist saying this, but most people don't understand us. They can find things they disagree with Democrats or Republicans, and pick'n choose what they don't dislike about "the other party" from both.
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