This is beyond partisanship. This is a classic fuck up no matter how it's spun. You're not going to avoid diplomats being attacked abroad. But you can avoid a consulate being overrun and your ambassador murdered on account of lack of security.
Obama and his administration, including Hillary are going DOWN!
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This is beyond partisanship. This is a classic fuck up no matter how it's spun. You're not going to avoid diplomats being attacked abroad. But you can avoid a consulate being overrun and your ambassador murdered on account of lack of security.
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Tell it to fucking congress, you know the GOP-led congress that cut funding for embassy security.
Really? Funding was the factor? Because there was actually an overall net increase from fiscal year 2011 to 2012 in funding worldwide security protection and embassy security.
And regardless, the state department has alot of leeway in allocating funds based on current threat levels, e.g. Libya.
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No, funding wasn't the factor, just like none of the bullshit talking points being spewed by the right-wingers was the factor. For all the intelligence and security in the world, just like with those two Boston Marathon bombers, you can't read the minds of people and know what they're going to do before they do it. Trying to blame Obama, Clinton, or anyone else for the actions of the people that did it is fucking stupid.
In all honesty, I would have assumed a post-Gaddafi Libya would be the least threatening nation for US ambassadors--having been a long-time enemy of the dictator they just topped, it would have been my assumption that Libyan rebels would have been on good terms with the US. I mean, obviously there's a reason I don't work in military intelligence, but it seems to me that predicting this attack would have required genuine psychic powers.
No one is blaming Obama for the actions of the people who did this. They are going to try to kill americans abroad regardless. The blame on the administration is based on the lack of preparation (Libya was a f'n warzone), failure to heed warnings and most egregiously the failure to respond to the attack and the subsequent coverup.
Really? Because who was responsible for the overthrow of Musharraff in Egypt? Who are the rebels in Syria? These groups (the muslim brotherhood, al-qaeda affiliates etc) are on good terms with the U.S.? The naivety.
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In other words, the blame is based on bullshit, it's purely politically driven, and IF a republican had been president at the time, like all the embassy attacks during the previous administration, right-wingers wouldn't be saying a word.
Mubarak? Musharraf is still sitting relatively pretty where he is (Pakistan). And in both cases you cite the rebels were a mixed bag of different beliefs; there are militant jihadists in every muslim-majority country (hell, there are militant jihadists in the US and UK). I hardly consider it naive to assume it unlikely that a country wrapped up in its own internal affairs would suddenly lash out at a nation whose recent history aligned with their own agenda.
If it were a President McCain Benghazi incident he would be raked over the f'n coals right now by the media and you know it. It'd be the next Watergate. This glossing over by "journalists" is apalling but not surprising.
I meant Mubarak. My mistake. (Actually, Musharraf was facing arrest and had to flee from Pakistan) Those responsible for his ouster (and that of Gadaffi) are hardly on good terms with the U.S. Our assistance was simply a means to an end for them (see afghanistan freedom fighters circa 1980's)
That's the thing, it wasn't the Libyan government who attacked our consulate and and that's not what the warnings were concerned with. It was these jihadist groups who were part of the rebellion and who had already attacked the british embassy and threated ours hence the request for beefed up security.
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Explain to me why there wasn't such a fucking stink made over the embassy attacks that occurred during the Bush administration. Neither by "journalists" nor by congress.
Like I said, you're not going to prevent someone from detonating a car bomb in front of an embassy but you can prevent an embassy from being overrun and your ambassador dragged out and murdered because you don't have enough security which was requested beforehand and assistance denied as it was happening (Are those special operators lying when they say they were told to stand down?) and then to attempt to cover it up by blaming a youtube video. Just for a moment, imagine that had happened under McCain and the shit storm that would've ensued.
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You need to go back and watch the testimony, you keep repeating the same bullshit talking points that have already been refuted. Same tired Fox News bullshit.
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Perhaps because, they never said it was the result of a fucking you tube video? They called it what it was.
Just sayin.
But there isn't the reaction you were hoping for, Sam. Is that because you completely overreacted to this?
Yes.
Yes.
Sam Fisher
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Maybe not now, or a few years from now, but the truth will come out. But, in the meantime, good Americans will know you will continue cheering for our country to continue its path down the shitter.
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Dumbass hayseed can't even read/remember the title of his own thread.
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That's what's got your panties up your vagina, Fisher? And who do you attribute that to?
