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Philbert

Banned
Whatever it amounts to it is quite funny in a 'that poor idiot' kind of way.

You losers remind me of a really funny show I saw once...I think it was called the Three Stooges.
I know who Curley is, who's Moe in your ButtCowboy Posse?

When one of ya'll translates MustBeStupid's last post, are you gonna stand up for his beliefs and theories?
Like the 9/11 Conspiracy stuff? And the evil Koch Bros vs the Saintly Soros? And your post of



doesn't put forth statements (you might know, I'm not so sure anymore, that a verb accompanied by a subject is a statement) that anyone with a minimum of intelligence can tell are stupid exaggerations not provable by facts or documents" It does. Daily Kos drivel and Media Matters drool.
Libtard talking points.
You, zeeblowschickens, and truly MustBeDumb are so fixated on the Koch Bros while no one I know cares at all about what they do or want. It's a free country, we here in the USA support many agendas with money, political activisim, and campaigning for what we believe in. They do what we all do in one way or another; you can't see how lame your posse's shrieks of indignation that they do this and vicious accusations of being such evil guys compared to Saintiy Soros are; you have group-thunk yourselves into the Village Idiot position; a well deserved accolade and one you do up proud.
MustBeDumb truly is, zeeblowschickens actually blows every position he tries to support, and you keep missing points by a hair, logic almost logical, etc; and you have done the hardest thing of all...decreased your intelligence enough that you three have formed a new symbiosis...Dumb, Dumber, and almost there.

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^^^^^^^^^Without reading, the drunk punk bitch non seeker of the true feeling of weed smoke loser, most likely hasn't got laid in two decades, Phil!

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Who are you trying to impress anyways? Go figure, if you can.

And:

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Later STUPID AMERICAN loser. You will play your Kochsucker games here for eternity posting to get the last word drinking JD after every smiley
you post.
 

Philbert

Banned
^^^^^^^^^Without reading, the drunk punk bitch non seeker of the true feeling of weed smoke loser, most likely hasn't got laid in two decades, Phil!

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Who are you trying to impress anyways? Go figure, if you can.

And:

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Later STUPID AMERICAN loser. You will play your Kochsucker games here for eternity posting to get the last word drinking JD after every smiley
you post.
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Not that I probably need to point this out, but...I rest my case.
(nyuck. nyuck. nyuck.)

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xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/04/16/3427392/oklahoma-fee-solar-wind/

Oklahoma Will Charge Customers Who Install Their Own Solar Panels

Oklahoma residents who produce their own energy through solar panels or small wind turbines on their property will now be charged an additional fee, the result of a new bill passed by the state legislature and expected to be signed into law by Gov. Mary Fallin (R).

On Monday, S.B. 1456 passed the state House 83-5 after no debate. The measure creates a new class of customers: those who install distributed power generation systems like solar panels or small wind turbines on their property and sell the excess energy back to the grid. While those with systems already installed won’t be affected, the new class of customers will now be charged a monthly fee — a shift that happened quickly and caught many in the state off guard.

“We knew nothing about it and all of a sudden it’s attached to some other bill,” Ctaci Gary, owner of Sun City Oklahoma, told ThinkProgress. “It just appeared out of nowhere.”

Because the surcharge amount has not been determined, Gary is cautious about predicting the impact it will have on her business. She has already received multiple calls from people asking questions about the bill and wanting to have solar systems installed before the new fee takes effect. “We’re going to use it as a marketing tool,” Gary said. “People deserve to have an opportunity [to install their own solar panels] and not be charged.”

“It is unfortunate that some utilities that enthusiastically support wind power for their own use are promoting a regressive policy that will make it harder for their customers to use wind power on their own,” said Mike Bergey, president & CEO of Bergey Windpower in Norman, Oklahoma, in a statement. “Oklahoma offers tax credits for large wind turbines which are built elsewhere, but wants to penalize small wind which we manufacture here in the state? That makes no sense to me.”

The bill was staunchly opposed by renewable energy advocates, environmental groups and the conservative group TUSK, but had the support of Oklahoma’s major utilities. “Representatives of Oklahoma Gas and Electric Co. and Public Service Co. of Oklahoma said the surcharge is needed to recover some of the infrastructure costs to send excess electricity safely from distributed generation back to the grid,” the Oklahoman reported.

“We’re not anti-solar or anti-wind or trying to slow this down, we’re just trying to keep it fair,” Oklahoma Gas and Electric Co. spokeswoman Kathleen O’Shea told the Oklahoman. “We’ve been studying this trend. We know it’s coming, and we want to get ahead of it.”

But distributed energy sources also provide a clear value to utility companies. Solar generates during peak hours, when a utility has to provide electricity to more people than at other times during the day and energy costs are at their highest. Solar panels actually feed excess energy back to the grid, helping to alleviate the pressure during peak demand. In addition, because less electricity is being transmitted to customers through transmission lines, it saves utilities on the wear and tear to the lines and cost of replacing them with new ones.

As the use of solar power skyrockets across the U.S., fights have sprung up in several states over how much customers should be compensated for excess power produced by their solar panels and sold back to the grid — a policy known as net metering. Net metering laws have come under fire from the secretive American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a group backed by fossil fuel corporations, utility companies, and the ultra-conservative Koch brothers. Forty-three states and the District of Columbia currently have net metering policies in place and ALEC has set its sights on repealing them, referring to homeowners with their own solar panels as “freeriders on the system.” ALEC presented Gov. Fallin the Thomas Jefferson Freedom award last year for her “record of advancing the fundamental Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, federalism and individual liberty as a nationally recognized leader.”

Oklahoma “could be the first complete defeat for solar advocates in their fight against utility efforts to recover costs lost to DG [distributed generation] use,” writes Utility Dive. Net metering survived attacks in Colorado and Kansas and Vermont recently increased its policy in a bipartisan effort. Last year, Arizona added what amounts to a $5 per month surcharge for solar customers, a move that was widely seen as a compromise, particularly after ALEC and other Koch-backed groups got involved.


While any extra charge placed on potential customers is a concern, Gary hopes that like Arizona, Oklahoma’s fee is modest enough to protect her business from serious damage.

Once again for the cognitively impaired, The Koch agenda doesn't benefit the average American. The Koch agenda only benefits people like Charles and David Koch.
 

Philbert

Banned
Once again for the cognitively impaired, The Koch agenda doesn't benefit the average American. The Koch agenda only benefits people like Charles and David Koch.

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Gee...wonder why Ultra-Libbies want people to pay Gov and Gov controlled utilities for what they don't use?

Surcharge this...

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Nanny State Libbies can't see the vast forest 'cause those damn trees keep getting in the way.

Too stupid to see the light, Misfire the Clown? I do believe it's so. :yahoo:
 
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Gee...wonder why Ultra-Libbies want people to pay Gov and Gov controlled utilities for what they don't use?

Surcharge this...

:facepalm:
Nanny State Libbies can't see the vast forest 'cause those damn trees keep getting in the way.

Too stupid to see the light, Misfire the Clown? I do believe it's so. :yahoo:

You be funny. Not funny ha ha either.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/04/16/3427392/oklahoma-fee-solar-wind/



Once again for the cognitively impaired, The Koch agenda doesn't benefit the average American. The Koch agenda only benefits people like Charles and David Koch.

My first thought was that the power companies had to do something with infrastructure or supplying extra lines or equipment to these residences to justify a charge. That $5 per month might be for the maintenance of that stuff. However,a simple search tells me that a new meter is the only thing that needs to be installed by the power company and everything else is on the residential end. This weekend I will get an answer to this from someone that knows electricity from soup to nuts. Not just a dude that runs wires. I'll come back next week with his answer and it will be 100% rock solid fact. If only a new meter is needed then I call bullshit to charging even those $5 to the resident.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
My first thought was that the power companies had to do something with infrastructure or supplying extra lines or equipment to these residences to justify a charge. That $5 per month might be for the maintenance of that stuff. However,a simple search tells me that a new meter is the only thing that needs to be installed by the power company and everything else is on the residential end. This weekend I will get an answer to this from someone that knows electricity from soup to nuts. Not just a dude that runs wires. I'll come back next week with his answer and it will be 100% rock solid fact. If only a new meter is needed then I call bullshit to charging even those $5 to the resident.

According to the article the Oklahoma Gas and Electric company says, “We’re not anti-solar or anti-wind or trying to slow this down, we’re just trying to keep it fair. We’ve been studying this trend. We know it’s coming, and we want to get ahead of it.”

My main point of contention was particularly for asshat Philbitch, to wit- "Net metering laws have come under fire from the secretive American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a group backed by fossil fuel corporations, utility companies, and the ultra-conservative Koch brothers. Forty-three states and the District of Columbia currently have net metering policies in place and ALEC has set its sights on repealing them, referring to homeowners with their own solar panels as “freeriders on the system.” ALEC presented Gov. Fallin the Thomas Jefferson Freedom award last year for her “record of advancing the fundamental Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, federalism and individual liberty as a nationally recognized leader.”

Average citizens being referred to as "freeriders on the system", that's pretty fucked up, illustrating the point I made earlier in this thread that the Koch agenda only benefits rich fuckers like the Koch's, and of course, big business.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
"We know it’s coming, and we want to get ahead of it” is either a look into infrastructure costs or a disturbing statement if all they have to do is change meters. I don't know. Energy efficiency is costly on the consumer's end from the $5 light bulb up to those solar cells. This shit has to pay for it's self in the end. By the same, token fossil should have been better utilized by now to collect and refined. With that I'll add that these fossil companies have had all of the incentives available to shift to renewable energy companies. It's like hey, let's take some of these government dollars and find a way to make panels. Apparently there are smaller than fossil companies doing this so why not the fossils do this?

Another thing, If the guy down the block put up a wind or solar system, why not buy my juice from him? I'll pay my monthly line charges on the grid. Buy it from the utilities when needed. There are switches in those boxes that shift from one to another. Big businesses can do stuff that smaller businesses can't do and we need them. But by the same token these smaller guys deserve their share of the market because they have a better product at a better price.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
I've been doing extensive research on maximizing the efficiency of solar panels, I've read some interesting concepts as it relates to parabolic solar dishes and Stirling engines and I'm convinced that the solutions have already been found. There's also some intriguing work with solar cells embedded in both window glass and fabric. I've got enough acreage that I believe I could generate a substantial amount of energy. The power companies should be encouraging this sort of shit instead of going for punitive fees, that's as bad as a tax or regulation from the govt. Aspen Power recently shutdown a biomass plant in nearby Lufkin, a plant they spent years and millions of dollars to get operational, operated it for about nine months, then closed the door because the market was too weak. The fuck?
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
I've been doing extensive research on maximizing the efficiency of solar panels, I've read some interesting concepts as it relates to parabolic solar dishes and Stirling engines and I'm convinced that the solutions have already been found. There's also some intriguing work with solar cells embedded in both window glass and fabric. I've got enough acreage that I believe I could generate a substantial amount of energy. The power companies should be encouraging this sort of shit instead of going for punitive fees, that's as bad as a tax or regulation from the govt. Aspen Power recently shutdown a biomass plant in nearby Lufkin, a plant they spent years and millions of dollars to get operational, operated it for about nine months, then closed the door because the market was too weak. The fuck?

If you are talking about corn into fuel then I can see shutting that shit down but solar and wind from homes? You do have sun and wind down there in Texas, don't you? The utilities charge 2 different things, energy and distribution. Distribution charges are pretty much fixed since they have to pay to maintain the lines and to keep a supply enough to feed the grid under everyday conditions. But the energy side of the bill is a place where they can save on costs. Have a bunch of ranchers throw up some panels or wind turbines to sell them electric READY MADE instead of having to buy and process shit to make it. I'm all about that. Like I said before, If a person as small as a home owner is willing to take the risk of investing into something like this then let it grow. I won't be able to take advantage of this in NJ but the less oil and gas you use down there should be cheaper for me up here.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Nope, it wasn't corn, it was waste wood, forest debris and similar stuff. They had tons of biomass to burn, they just said the market wasn't demanding the output. We've got an abundance of both sun and wind and it's a crock of horseshit that it's not being utilized. Too much money in riding the fossil fuel horse to death.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Failbert, King of Strawmen, makes another funny. I like how you attack me instead of raising a finger to refute or even dispute what was posted about David Koch. Keep crying, troll, it's obvious you got nothing. I'm sure it won't be long before you get hit with the ban hammer, yet again.

I see I was right and cockmongler got hit with the ban hammer again. This is at least his third ban in less than six months, what's it going to take to get rid of the Failbert tumor once and for all?
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
I got my answer for the residential hook up to the grid question. The resident has his power generating equipment installed to code. The utility company inspects it the work and changes the meter. Nothing more needed from the utility. However I did find this little ditty concerning tariffs. It comes from a Massachusetts law.

"The distribution company shall impose tariffs, as may be approved from time to time by the department, regarding necessary interconnection studies and the type, costs and timeframe for installing metering and distribution system upgrades to accommodate these installations. Such tariffs shall require that all facilities maintain adequate insurance. Distribution companies shall be prohibited from imposing special fees on Class I net metering facilities, such as backup charges and demand charges, or additional controls or liability insurance, as long as the facility meets the other requirements of the interconnection tariff and all relevant safety and power quality standards."

This is a hunk of shit in so many ways. What kind of studies do these utilities need to do? Are there solar/wind towns springing up by housing developers? Study what happens if 500 residents and businesses decide to flip to net metering in the next year? That shit will never happen, it will be a gradual thing when and if it ever comes to be. And what happens if such a thing should occur, do you think that once the study is done the tariff will go away? Don't make me laugh.

Cost and time frame studies for installing new meters? Don't they know how long it takes to install a meter? When Ford decides to open or close a plant, don't they know how this will affect the utilities distribution system? Fuck you. When a supermarket decides to expand, they don't charge a fee to the town or customers estimating the potential costs and sales. That shit irks me because it's a nickel and diming act. If a developer wants to build a mall then they are going to have to kick in to widen the roads. Give them tax break after the completed project over time but don't make me pay to build their driveways and install their traffic lights.
 
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