Sorry for the previous rant, but some of these people just take things too far, and all the rsponses to them have been polite for the most part. Maybe I'm an Old Testiment guy (eye for an eye and all that) and their attacks just pushed me over the edge a little bit. Appears at least one of these people has now been banned from this forum by FreeOnes. Maybe now we can look forward to future posts from Nina here.