Nicolas Sarkozy on the way out?

[Rey C.]

When Dominique Strauss-Kahn self-destructed, I thought Sarkozy was something of a shoe-in to retain the French Presidency. But now it sounds like he's hanging on by a thread.

I think we have at least two French members. And I'm guessing that Georges is a supporter of Marine Le Pen. But what do the other French members (or other Europeans) think of the upcoming French elections and the way it's beginning to play out???

PARIS (Dow Jones)--French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who runs for a second term, and his main rival Francois Hollande are tied ahead of the first round of the presidential elections to be held on Sunday, a recent poll showed.

The poll, carried out by Ipsos-Logica on April 13 and 14 and released Tuesday morning, showed both candidates tied at 27% of voting intentions. Hollande lost 1.5 percentage points compared with the results of a similar poll held by Ipsos-Logica a week earlier, while Sarkozy lost two percentage points.

In the case of a runoff, to be held in early May if no candidate secures 50% of the votes Sunday, Hollande would win over Sarkozy with a 56%-44% margin, the poll said.

Sarkozy started the election campaign trailing Hollande in polls by a margin as wide as 8 percentage points and slowly closed the gap. Simulations of the runoff by the majority of pollsters persistently showed Hollande winning.

Voting intentions for far-right candidate Marine Le Pen gained 0.5 percentage point since the previous poll to 15.5%, while voting intentions for far-left candidate Jean-Luc Melenchon stood at 14.5%.

The pollster surveyed a sample of 894 people registered on election rolls.

 

[ballzano]

now i know how most non-americans feel when they see all these threads focused on our nonsense

 

[georges]

Don't believe what the polls say. Hollande is a socialist which is for gay marriage, for granting rights to vote to immigrants with only a local presence of ten years on the french soil but this is made for strenghtening the socialist votes. At last but not least, he is still for assisting healthcare leechers and unwilling to work parasites who never really busted their asses off. Many many people in France hate the guy because he is a flabby testicle. One should remember what happened to Mr Jospin in 2002 who was said to be the winner but who get kicked out at the 1st vote.
Many people in France and in Europe think and affirm that socialism is the equal distribution of misery and is the dumbing down of the society, I agree with them on all levels.
The ceos of the french biggest firms, executives and many people who have decent jobs have seen what happened to spain under a socialist government and they won't vote hollande. This guy will never know how to deal with Merkel and he has no real program aside encouraging more massive immigration.
I have been strongly in opposition with a bunch of my collegues these last days (they tried to convince me to vote for this leftist failure of hollande) who are typical greedy socialists and social helps as well as healthcare leechers. Like I once said to a socialist in 2002: "polls are made for idiots", he laughed but after his beloved socialist utter failure candidate got kicked he cried loud.I have always fought against leftists and will continue to fight against any form of leftism till my last breath.

 

[georges]

When Dominique Strauss-Kahn self-destructed, I thought Sarkozy was something of a shoe-in to retain the French Presidency. But now it sounds like he's hanging on by a thread.

I think we have at least two French members. And I'm guessing that Georges is a supporter of Marine Le Pen. But what do the other French members (or other Europeans) think of the upcoming French elections and the way it's beginning to play out???

Wrong guess I am definitely not a supporter of MLP but a Sarkozyst. Sarkozy has taken some difficult decisions that none would take in such critical times.

 

[Johan]

Truth is politicians have very small power and very small influence on Economy. Because of EU and globalisation, governments nearly can't do anything.
Some are angry with Sarkozy 'cause under his presidency, things got worst but they got worst all over Europe. Little worst in some countries (ex : Germany), much worst in other (ex : Spain).
Two solutions :
-Negociate toe to toe with the EU (such as Nicolas Sarkozy's been doing) but you would negociate for day just to end with something like 1/3 of what you wanted
-Break-up with the EU, the Euro, etc... (such as Marine Le Pen -and others want to do). But, at first, it would be terrible for the Economy...

 

[vodkazvictim]

Don't believe what the polls say. Hollande is a socialist which is for gay marriage, for granting rights to vote to immigrants with only a local presence of ten years on the french soil but this is made for strenghtening the socialist votes. At last but not least, he is still for assisting healthcare leechers and unwilling to work parasites who never really busted their asses off. Many many people in France hate the guy because he is a flabby testicle. One should remember what happened to Mr Jospin in 2002 who was said to be the winner but who get kicked out at the 1st vote.
Many people in France and in Europe think and affirm that socialism is the equal distribution of misery and is the dumbing down of the society, I agree with them on all levels.
The ceos of the french biggest firms, executives and many people who have decent jobs have seen what happened to spain under a socialist government and they won't vote hollande. This guy will never know how to deal with Merkel and he has no real program aside encouraging more massive immigration.
I have been strongly in opposition with a bunch of my collegues these last days (they tried to convince me to vote for this leftist failure of hollande) who are typical greedy socialists and social helps as well as healthcare leechers. Like I once said to a socialist in 2002: "polls are made for idiots", he laughed but after his beloved socialist utter failure candidate got kicked he cried loud.I have always fought against leftists and will continue to fight against any form of leftism till my last breath.

Don't believe what Georges says; He has his own smiley :georges:
By the way, how's your fight against Leftism and Leftists going? Seen any tangible results?

Truth is politicians have very small power and very small influence on Economy. Because of EU and globalisation, governments nearly can't do anything.
Some are angry with Sarkozy 'cause under his presidency, things got worst but they got worst all over Europe. Little worst in some countries (ex : Germany), much worst in other (ex : Spain).
Two solutions :
-Negociate toe to toe with the EU (such as Nicolas Sarkozy's been doing) but you would negociate for day just to end with something like 1/3 of what you wanted
-Break-up with the EU, the Euro, etc... (such as Marine Le Pen -and others want to do). But, at first, it would be terrible for the Economy...

I was always of the impression that the French saw themselves as ascending to the capital of the United States of Europe with the whole EU thing? I imagine it would be hard for them to abandon the EU and hence that dream, held even in the days of France's famous Corsican, Bonaparte.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

I thought you would love Sarkozy, georges. He's more American than Americans are.

 

[georges]

I thought you would love Sarkozy, georges. He's more American than Americans are.

I will vote for him because I don' want to be unemployed and because he shares the same values I share and strive for: discipline, order and meritocracy.

 

[Johan]

I was always of the impression that the French saw themselves as ascending to the capital of the United States of Europe with the whole EU thing? I imagine it would be hard for them to abandon the EU and hence that dream, held even in the days of France's famous Corsican, Bonaparte.

From the very beginning, France and Germany have always been the piers of EU. They were the founding memebers of the European Coal and Steel Community, wich later became the EU.
Back in the 90' and the early 2000' the EU was seen as a chance for Europe to challenge the US, the € was seen as a challenger to the $.
For more or less the last 10 years, government have been constantly blaming the EU for the problems they fail to solve and the € for prices getting higher and higher. But still they've signed al treaties. This, added to the fact that many firms delocate their factories from Westtern to Eastern Europe (lower salaries, fewer labour laws...), people now see the EU has the source of everythinng's wrong in France and not bringing anything good to them.

In 2005, the government ask the people to vote wether they would agree or not for a new treaty. Extreme-Right and Extreme-left were campaigning for the "No", Left, Righ and Center for the "Yes". The "No" won. And still the government signed the treaty.
From that day, many people started to feel they are being fucked by the governments and the EU wich are not listening to them, not tring to solve the problems doing business for themselves and they friends in the major firms CEOs

 

[Rattrap]

Hollande is a socialist which is for gay marriage...

And that's a bad thing?

Truth is politicians have very small power and very small influence on Economy. Because of EU and globalisation, governments nearly can't do anything.
[...]
-Break-up with the EU, the Euro, etc... (such as Marine Le Pen -and others want to do). But, at first, it would be terrible for the Economy...

In 2005, the government ask the people to vote wether they would agree or not for a new treaty. Extreme-Right and Extreme-left were campaigning for the "No", Left, Righ and Center for the "Yes". The "No" won. And still the government signed the treaty.
From that day, many people started to feel they are being fucked by the governments and the EU wich are not listening to them, not tring to solve the problems doing business for themselves and they friends in the major firms CEOs

The EU's a bit of a toughy; no individual country likes losing its power to some other government (States' rights, anyone?). At the same time, the EU - as the EU - holds considerable power. The power of the individual countries hasn't held a candle to that of the US or Russia for decades, and now China and not far off if not already, India and even Brazil. All those countries are larger and more rich in resources. I remember hearing a program on the radio a few years back talking about some producer in the States (I forget what they were producing now, food or health products or whatever, doesn't matter) that was using EU regulation standards instead of the US's (EU regulations tend to be stricter anyway, so most things you can sell in the EU you'll almost by default be able to sell in the US) because the EU market was looking to match if not overtake the US market in...whatever this product was.

This wouldn't happen with just the UK, or just France, or just Germany (well, I don't know about Germany...they've managed to be destroyed twice and merge two completely different economies/countries together and still come out as economic powerhouses 10-15 years later, all in the last hundred years).

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Well Hollande won the 1st ballot.

 

[georges]

Well Hollande won the 1st ballot.

28.6% against 27% is not a win, it is a tie. But what is really good is that all the other leftwing parties got beaten hard. Sarkozy will be reelected and most of people who have a decent jobs, decent salaries or who are in strategic industries will never let hollande pass.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

28.6% against 27% is not a win, it is a tie. But what is really good is that all the other leftwing parties got beaten hard. Sarkozy will be reelected and most of people who have a decent jobs, decent salaries or who are in strategic industries will never let hollande pass.

Beating a man by one/third of a second in a race is still a win regardless of what you say, but due to the French system it doesn't win him the presidency. And from what I have read most people are saying Hollande has been tracking favourably against Sarkozy in a second ballot scenario so I think it is better to say let's wait and see because apparently the left is 1.6% more supported than the right is right now.

 

[bobbby2]

He will lose
I really hope so and it is gone!
his msitakes have resulted in higher the extreme right fascist à 20% !!!!!!!!!

Holland will be a political liberal ok
it is a matter of human
we can not stand the man

get out Sarkozy

 

[Trident1]

If Hollande wins that means trouble for Merkel and Brussels. Say buh bye to the austerity measures and hello to deepening debt.

 

[georges]

Beating a man by one/third of a second in a race is still a win regardless of what you say, but due to the French system it doesn't win him the presidency. And from what I have read most people are saying Hollande has been tracking favourably against Sarkozy in a second ballot scenario so I think it is better to say let's wait and see because apparently the left is 1.6% more supported than the right is right now.

And you know who vote Hollande? The welfare cases this means assisted and unwilling to work parasites who leech off social helps, healthcare and appartments and of course immigrants who are looking to take more of our social healthcare system advantages vote for him. These are the people who vote for Hollande. You forget the voters of the third candidate Mrs Lepen which will vote by default against Hollande. Add also Bayrou's voters which will join the right again as they did in the past.

If Hollande wins that means trouble for Merkel and Brussels. Say buh bye to the austerity measures and hello to deepening debt.

so true :yesyes:

He will lose
I really hope so and it is gone!
his msitakes have resulted in higher the extreme right fascist à 20% !!!!!!!!!

Holland will be a political liberal ok
it is a matter of human
we can not stand the man

get out Sarkozy

Maybe should we say something about how bad Flamby manages his own region which is indebted till the neck. Your hopes will never happen the firms, their employees and other players of the strategic sectors are not stupid to vote for hollande. For example your friend Hollande want France to switch another mode of producing electricity instead of being from nuclear origin. Do you realize that if he tells no to the nuclear power, between 20000-30000 if not more jobs including subcontractors are gone.
The front national is just reflecting what happened in some regions because of the laxism and the unwillingness of socialists to take drastic measures when it was needed. When you don't apply discipline and order whjen needed, it generally ends like that after 20 years.
You can't stand the man because you are certainly wanting a nanny state with more immigrants and a dumbing down of the society at all levels but many of us won't let this happen.

 

[Straight Shooter]

If Hollande wins that means trouble for Merkel and Brussels. Say buh bye to the austerity measures and hello to deepening debt.

Don't the Socialists want more of the welfare state?

 

[Trident1]

Don't the Socialists want more of the welfare state?

Socialists do want more. That means increased spending, increase taxes and increase debt.

 

[vodkazvictim]

From the very beginning, France and Germany have always been the piers of EU. They were the founding memebers of the European Coal and Steel Community, wich later became the EU.
Back in the 90' and the early 2000' the EU was seen as a chance for Europe to challenge the US, the € was seen as a challenger to the $.
For more or less the last 10 years, government have been constantly blaming the EU for the problems they fail to solve and the € for prices getting higher and higher. But still they've signed al treaties. This, added to the fact that many firms delocate their factories from Westtern to Eastern Europe (lower salaries, fewer labour laws...), people now see the EU has the source of everythinng's wrong in France and not bringing anything good to them.

In 2005, the government ask the people to vote wether they would agree or not for a new treaty. Extreme-Right and Extreme-left were campaigning for the "No", Left, Righ and Center for the "Yes". The "No" won. And still the government signed the treaty.
From that day, many people started to feel they are being fucked by the governments and the EU wich are not listening to them, not tring to solve the problems doing business for themselves and they friends in the major firms CEOs

I see what you say. We in England see little democracy inherant in Europe: If I remember correctly it wasn't so long that the power-brokers were pushing Tony Blair for presidency of the EU and we English were screaming "No! We've only just gotten rid of him! It'll be a disaster!"
For what it's worth I wish you luck and a better future for La Belle France.

 

[Rey C.]

Things don't look good for Sarkozy, according to the opinion polls so far.

Two opinion polls taken during Sunday's voting by the IPSOS and Ifop institutes suggested the Socialist would beat the incumbent by 54 to 46 percent in the second round. But much yet depends on how each appeals to supporters of Le Pen and others.

"Sarkozy is going to be torn between campaigning in the middle ground and campaigning on the right. He'll have to reach out to the right between the rounds and so he'll lose the centre," said Stephane Rozes of the CAP think-tank.

If Sarkozy loses, he would be the eleventh euro zone leader to be swept out since the start of the bloc's debt crisis in late 2009 and the first French president to lose a re-election bid in more than 30 years. A deep dislike of his personal style, seen as arrogant and vulgar, drove many to vote against him.