NHL Beating NBA in Attendance

[Bloodshot Scott]

I hear NHL games are some of the most exciting events to attend. But does that make it a better sport? Hell no! NHL, like soccer, involves a lot of luck IMO. That's why I can't watch it.

Please do explain how hockey and soccer involve luck. I'm intrigued to hear you explain this assertion.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

I hear NHL games are some of the most exciting events to attend. But does that make it a better sport? Hell no! NHL, like soccer, involves a lot of luck IMO. That's why I can't watch it.

If this is true, does that make Clint Malarchuk the luckiest man in history?

 

[Rey C.]

Periodically I'll watch an NHL game... either the Rangers, Devils, or Islanders.

However I haven't seen a NBA game since Patrick Ewing, Bernard King, Chris Mullen, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen were active and playing.

Yes, it's been over twenty years.

Yeah, now I recognize THOSE names! :thumbsup: Dr. J was still in the ABA when I first caught the basketball bug. In fact, he played for the team in my state in that league. But after he retired, and Magic, Byrd and then Michael Jordan and his Bulls crew left, I pretty much lost the basketball bug.

I've been to a couple of hockey games. But I guess because it wasn't popular where I grew up, I just never got into hockey. It seems like years ago (like around Gretzky's time), hockey was even more popular than it is now. Is that true?

The only sport I follow these days is racing... more F1 than the others, but I'll watch just about any contest that involves wheels and engines. Part of the gripe that turned me off to the stick & ball sports is their constant whining over money. I fully believe the players should be fairly compensated. But it seems that so many of the pro stick & ball guys these days are all about the $... like pretty much every other profession. $ first, love of the game second. With that said, some of the richest athletes in the world are racing drivers. But even in F1, there are guys who race for no money or who pay to drive the cars. That is LOVE of the sport, right there!

As far as viewership (I don't know about revenues), last I checked, NASCAR was behind only the NFL in this country. And worldwide, F1 was behind only soccer/futbol. But if hockey is doing better, that's good. I guess. :dunno:

 

[rwill25]

Please do explain how hockey and soccer involve luck. I'm intrigued to hear you explain this assertion.

This is just my opinion, not a fact.

Hockey and soccer are sports that are based on applying pressure. The more pressure or shots on goal you apply to the goalie, the more likely you're going to score. So you take as many shots as you can, and hope it goes in.

I'm not saying there's no skill in scoring a goal, but I feel like luck is big factor.

Often I see pucks deflecting off of players skates and going into goal. I would fucking kill myself if my team lost a game like that.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

As far as viewership (I don't know about revenues), last I checked, NASCAR was behind only the NFL in this country. And worldwide, F1 was behind only soccer/futbol. But if hockey is doing better, that's good. I guess. :dunno:

Being an autograph hound myself (well, not long ago at least), just speaking on having met quite a few pro athletes of all the four major sports, by far the NHLers have always been the coolest. Sure, there are a-holes like Chelios and Yzerman that were pricks about signing, but more times than not the NHLers were totally cool. Can't say the same for leagues like the NBA or MLB. Maybe it's because they put up with more shit, but even though occasionally you'll meet a cool NBAer (Chauncey Billups and Kevin Love, for example), I've met quite a few that were just royal pricks.

This is just my opinion, not a fact.

Hockey and soccer are sports that are based on applying pressure. The more pressure or shots on goal you apply to the goalie, the more likely you're going to score. So you take as many shots as you can, and hope it goes in.

I'm not saying there's no skill in scoring a goal, but I feel like luck is big factor.

Often I see pucks deflecting off of players skates and going into goal. I would fucking kill myself if my team lost a game like that.

I hope you realize how stupid your statement really is. Having played with (and against) guys who are playing pro, let me tell you, it takes a hell of a lot more than just luck to get into the NHL. If hockey were all about luck, I would have received a full ride to SCSU on my hockey ability.

 

[TheOrangeCat]

This post points out a simple fact that has a simple explanation.

Hockey is a game
Basketball is a show

Now I like a good show, but after you've seen it a few times, well it loses its appeal.

Hockey is the last true gladiatorial team sport left, a perfect combination of skill, brains and brawn.

GO HABS!

 

[rwill25]

Being an autograph hound myself (well, not long ago at least), just speaking on having met quite a few pro athletes of all the four major sports, by far the NHLers have always been the coolest. Sure, there are a-holes like Chelios and Yzerman that were pricks about signing, but more times than not the NHLers were totally cool. Can't say the same for leagues like the NBA or MLB. Maybe it's because they put up with more shit, but even though occasionally you'll meet a cool NBAer (Chauncey Billups and Kevin Love, for example), I've met quite a few that were just royal pricks.



I hope you realize how stupid your statement really is. Having played with (and against) guys who are playing pro, let me tell you, it takes a hell of a lot more than just luck to get into the NHL. If hockey were all about luck, I would have received a full ride to SCSU on my hockey ability.

Did I say it's easy to get into the NHL? No.

I know it take a hell of a lot of skill to play Hockey.

I'm just saying there are goals scored by luck. If it were normal to score 15 goals in a game, then one lucky goal wouldn't matter as much. But one lucky deflection goal could be 25-50% of your team's production.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Well I am certainly biased towards Hockey and the NHL in the 1st place, but Hockey is way more exciting, faster paced, has way more non stop action, and most importantly all the teams in the NHL are pretty competitive (only a couple of teams in the NHL REALLY SUCK) opposed to the the disparity of MOST of the NBA teams...

There are like 2,3,4 GREAT teams in each conference in the NBA and then then the rest of the teams are $hit or mediocre @ best regarding its talent level and the quality of basketball played by these mediocre teams is pathetically laughable IMO.. So its not surprising too me that the NHL would have a better attendance quota than the NBA... :2 cents:

 

[rwill25]

This post points out a simple fact that has a simple explanation.

Hockey is a game
Basketball is a show

Now I like a good show, but after you've seen it a few times, well it loses its appeal.

Hockey is the last true gladiatorial team sport left, a perfect combination of skill, brains and brawn.

GO HABS!

That's the same way I feel about basketball. :hatsoff:

But obviously basketball players aren't as tough as hockey players.

 

[Rey C.]

Being an autograph hound myself (well, not long ago at least), just speaking on having met quite a few pro athletes of all the four major sports, by far the NHLers have always been the coolest. Sure, there are a-holes like Chelios and Yzerman that were pricks about signing, but more times than not the NHLers were totally cool. Can't say the same for leagues like the NBA or MLB. Maybe it's because they put up with more shit, but even though occasionally you'll meet a cool NBAer (Chauncey Billups and Kevin Love, for example), I've met quite a few that were just royal pricks.

Maybe it's the generation gap or the fact that I just don't keep up with stick & ballers anymore, but I have no idea who any of the people you named are. :dunno:

Maybe it's because the hockey guys aren't (yet) household names. Or maybe they really are nicer guys. Relating back to racing, some people really are just genuinely more fan friendly. I had no problems getting the great Mario Andretti's autograph. But his less talented son, Michael, was a royal prick (and his first wife, Sandy, was a royal bitch too). I got Emmo Fittipaldi's autograph. But his (MUCH) less talented nephew, Christian, thought he was God's gift to women. So unless you sent your girl up to ask him, he'd probably brush you off. Juan Pablo Montoya has a rep as sort of a prick, but I got an autograph from him after he burned up the track in Nazareth in the late 90's. I wouldn't even waste my time trying to get an autograph from an F1 driver. They are "Racing Royalty" and act like it. A friend of mine tried to get Kimi Raikkonen's autograph at the British Grand Prix years ago, and he said he'd have had an easier time getting a blow job from the Queen of England. I've heard that the P@ris Hilton of racing (D@nica Patrick) is actually quite fan friendly. But I take racing seriously, so I wouldn't piss on that attention whore even if she was on fire. Angelle Seeling/Sampey and Shirley Muldowney are very cool people though. I've never met her (or her dad), but I've heard that Ashley Force is pretty fan friendly too. In fact, the NHRA (and the ALMS) has probably the most open paddocks and fan sessions in all of sports... ANY sport.

 

[stranger]

Did I say it's easy to get into the NHL? No.

I know it take a hell of a lot of skill to play Hockey.

I'm just saying there are goals scored by luck. If it were normal to score 15 goals in a game, then one lucky goal wouldn't matter as much. But one lucky deflection goal could be 25-50% of your team's production.

Every sport involves luck. Do you think there are no lucky shots in basketball? There are so many other factors involved in the game of hockey that a fluke bouce or deflection rarely determines a game.

 

[rwill25]

Every sport involves luck. Do you think there are no lucky shots in basketball? There are so many other factors involved in the game of hockey that a fluke bouce or deflection rarely determines a game.

But like I said, that lucky score could be 25-50% of your team production.

You can't luckily score 25 points in a basketball game.

 

[Bearded_Menace]

Most of my life has been spent around warmer climates, so I have really never had much interest in hockey. However, if hockey starts to chip away at deities of College Football and the NFL, then perhaps I will have to have a look see.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Did I say it's easy to get into the NHL? No.

I know it take a hell of a lot of skill to play Hockey.

I'm just saying there are goals scored by luck. If it were normal to score 15 goals in a game, then one lucky goal wouldn't matter as much. But one lucky deflection goal could be 25-50% of your team's production.

Most of my life has been spent around warmer climates, so I have really never had much interest in hockey. However, if hockey starts to chip away at deities of College Football and the NFL, then perhaps I will have to have a look see.

Well it is a sport that you can't just pick up at age 13. If you don't start out at about 5-7, chances are you will never be flirting with the pro leagues later in life. Take Thomas Tapeh, for example. He started playing football when he was a sophmore-junior in high school, and still went pro (running back). This just isn't going to happen in a sport like hockey. And like you said, it's a sport that requires a cold climate in order for a little shit to be able to just grab a pick up game. And even then, that's only four months out of the year, at best. That's not even getting into the financial side of it (ice time is something like $200 an hour the last I checked, whereas any kid can grab a ball and play basketball).

 

[stranger]

But like I said, that lucky score could be 25-50% of your team production.

You can't luckily score 25 points in a basketball game.

So if a basketball game is close and comes down to the last minute, as many do, and the winning basket is a lucky shot, is it any different. Not as many hockey games are decided on luck as you may think.

 

[rwill25]

So if a basketball game is close and comes down to the last minute, as many do, and the winning basket is a lucky shot, is it any different. Not as many hockey games are decided on luck as you may think.

But there were many goals in that game, not just that one basket.

If your team lost on the final shot, then you're probably pissed off because it never should have came down to the final possession.

 

[bustybbwlover]

good good, i've never been all that big on watching basketball

 

[kingoftherodeo]

Hockey is way more entertaining than the other sports, but I am just as biased as the kid from Florida who claims bball is awesome because there are no "flukes." lol.

The the other guy who brought up the TV contract - that's correct. It's a joke that hockey is on VS, which half the country doesn't even have in their cable package. It is basically sandwiched between rodeo and bass fishing, whereas the NBA probably gets overexposure on the most dominant sports network in the land. It can't compete.

Hockey will always be #4 of the "big 4" in most markets, and I don't think that will change. It's also a cultural thing though. Hockey is a "Canadian game." Hockey is a niche sport. A regional sport. Texas, Arizona, and Florida probably shouldn't have teams in the first place. It's also an expensive sport to play, so you can't just have any brotha in the projects play it, when they can just pick up a ball and shoot some hoops. There are a number of reasons why most Americans don't give a shit, but I also don't give a shit and personally enjoy that it's a niche sport. It's a gate-driven league, so the ratings matter little to me...they will probably never 'be there.' Doesn't mean it's not the best sport.

Bball is cool to play horse or shoot wif da bros in the backyard, but it's rarely entertaining on a pro level. Joke of a league. Football is better, but still, ~11min of action in a 60 min game, 3 hrs to finish, 50% of that is replays, the commercials, w/e. I pay attn to it, but just the highlights at this point. If I'm not betting on it, I couldn't care less most weeks. This was a good Superbowl tonight though, aside from the pageantry.

 

[shayd]

Well it is a sport that you can't just pick up at age 13. If you don't start out at about 5-7, chances are you will never be flirting with the pro leagues later in life. Take Thomas Tapeh, for example. He started playing football when he was a sophmore-junior in high school, and still went pro (running back). This just isn't going to happen in a sport like hockey. And like you said, it's a sport that requires a cold climate in order for a little shit to be able to just grab a pick up game. And even then, that's only four months out of the year, at best. That's not even getting into the financial side of it (ice time is something like $200 an hour the last I checked, whereas any kid can grab a ball and play basketball).

Johan Franzen didn't start playing until 11, but not high competitive until 17. Al McCinnis didn't start played organized hockey until 11, and Ed Jovanovski didn't start playing until right before his 13th birthday. While it's harder, you can't still start playing late and make it to the NHL.

 

[nightwanker]

Hockey Attendance 1
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=404887

Hockey Attendance 2
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=467097