Next After Healthcare: Guns, Then Knives.

[Mr. Daystar]

No offense, but when it comes to facts, you're not exactly credible.

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?583885-Straight-from-the-NRA

AND YOU ARE!?!?!? I never claimed a fact check, I never quoted a source. If your sole purpose here, is to start shit, because I pointed out certain opinions towards you, and your ideas, in a different thread....grow the fuck up. If you're just a gun hating, Socialist retard, the U.S.A. will function fine without you....please leave. If you don't live here, please stay out. I'm done with you....I'm almost positive you're really an old member named fox.

The fact that you think guns are for killing, and no other reason CLEARLY shows your ignorance...and it shows in your other thread regarding a fully automatic shotgun, for home defense. IF you had half a clue, you could probably hurt yourself.

 

[Kingfisher]

Blame Jerry Brown, not me!

(Clears throat) You mean, Governor Moonbeam...

 

[Facetious]

What's the writing on the wall, rev? Give me the gospel according to you.

If I may... Always be in preparation for the worst possible case scenario, you know, i n s u r a n c e..
If you have a quality of life that's worth preserving, preserve it.

 

[Ike Stain]

Some of my frieb even have fully automatic assault rifles. But they're mentally stable and they don't think the government is coming to get them.

Actually, I take that back. Of my friends who feel a need to own automatic assault weapons, 50% do actually think the government is coming to get them while the other 50% merely think the collapse of society is imminent. The one common trait is they all have a screw loose. But then, so do I. It's probably time I got I one too.

 

[BBGRob]

So just how far along are you and your Nazi buddies on your plans to assassinate Obama you racist scum.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA .... BRILLIANT REPLY! What so many of these muppets fail to realize is that Obama is one of the most middle of the road democrats ever. They just want to believe the hype and bullshit coming out Rush Douchebag and Fox [FAKE] News LOL! The rhetoric from the far right is amazing.

It is amazing how many fucking people in this country don't read past the talking heads on the radio or the 100% bullshit adds on TV.

Hell ... even the turn out by the voters is pathetic.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA .... BRILLIANT REPLY! What so many of these muppets fail to realize is that Obama is one of the most middle of the road democrats ever. They just want to believe the hype and bullshit coming out Rush Douchebag and Fox [FAKE] News LOL! The rhetoric from the far right is amazing.

It is amazing how many fucking people in this country don't read past the talking heads on the radio or the 100% bullshit adds on TV.

Hell ... even the turn out by the voters is pathetic.

Actually, I find Fox, and CNN to be worthless sources of information. However, his voting record as a Senator, clearly spoke for itself. He may have dodged any gun issues in his first term, but it's not unrealistic to think he would make some attempts at our rights in a second term, seeing as he wouldn't have to worry about public opinion as far as re-election is concerned....he wouldn't be able to get a third, and the damage would be done. I would rather be called paranoid, and be considered an over reactor, then be caught off guard, and loose any of my rights.

 

[domshooter]

i see no problem with mentally capable, background checked citizens to own fully auto firearms. why do i need it? who cares why? maybe i wanna take it to the range often. its fun.

 

[Ike Stain]

He may have dodged any gun issues in his first term, but it's not unrealistic to think he would make some attempts at our rights in a second term, seeing as he wouldn't have to worry about public opinion as far as re-election is concerned.

See, now, this is rational. There's no counter to this argument and you could very well be right. (My original argument was merely the opinion he wouldn't be able to get legislation passed, yet somehow that made me rabidly anti-gun.)

I would rather be called paranoid, and be considered an over reactor, then be caught off guard, and loose any of my rights.

Also no argument here. That's a perfectly valid position.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

See, now, this is rational. There's no counter to this argument and you could very well be right. (My original argument was merely the opinion he wouldn't be able to get legislation passed, yet somehow that made me rabidly anti-gun.)





Also no argument here. That's a perfectly valid position.

But you fail to take into consideration executive orders, and the laws he's already signed, while not specifically anti gun, would put a law abiding citizen, in the category of felon, due to Federal crimes, and thereby allow the siezure of the persons guns, and the prevention of future gun ownership.

 

[Ike Stain]

But you fail to take into consideration executive orders, and the laws he's already signed, while not specifically anti gun, would put a law abiding citizen, in the category of felon, due to Federal crimes, and thereby allow the siezure of the persons guns, and the prevention of future gun ownership.

I am aware of it. Though we may have differing opinions regarding the changes, it's another good point.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/11/obama-s-new-gun-control-regulations-exclusive.html

[Note on the sourcing: I went with this because it was the first one that came up and it's dry, factual and gives voice to both sides. There are tons of other articles on it out there.]

 

[Mr. Daystar]

i see no problem with mentally capable, background checked citizens to own fully auto firearms. why do i need it? who cares why? maybe i wanna take it to the range often. its fun.

Why do you NEED it? Last time I checked, it was called the Bill Of Rights. NOT the Bill Of Needs! You should be allowed to own ANY gun, without ANY explanation, provided you aren't a felon, or mentally ill. The lengths you have to go through for an FFL is just plan fucking ridiculous. And good luck getting one with this administration.

 

[xfire]

If I may... Always be in preparation for the worst possible case scenario, you know, i n s u r a n c e..
If you have a quality of life that's worth preserving, preserve it.

That's a cop out to the question I asked. He said there was "writing on the wall". I want to know the depths of his paranoia.

 

[Ike Stain]

provided you aren't a felon, or mentally ill.

THAT'S the issue. RIGHT there. That's all I'm asking for.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

THAT'S the issue. RIGHT there. That's all I'm asking for.

It's harder to get a gun at THIS TIME IN HISTORY, then it has ever been previously. Criminals will always get guns...that's why their criminals....they don't obey the law!

You gotta move the fuck away from the Pelosi's and Fienstiens of the world. You come from one of the most fucked up States EVER! 7 out of 10 serial killers are from either Orange, or Los Angelas County. You can buy pot in a corner store....you have rampant gang problems, but you aren't allowed to own a rifle with a detachable 20 round box magazine?!?! That's fucked up.

Answer me this. If they pass that law concerning mandatory condoms in the adult industry, will you move your business? I don't have stats, but I bet HIV/AIDS kills more people every year then guns do...or at least it's close. Certainly as dangerous as playing Russian Roulette.

 

[Ike Stain]

I should also add that a few of my best friends felons. One is lucky to have a gun-enthusiast wife, the other lives in a state where it is legal for him to carry, (even though he works in a state where he cannot. He is however able hunt in this other state, which has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation.)

I think if felons can prove they are rehabilitated, they should be able to get their 2nd Amendment rights back, as problematic as that might be.

 

[Ike Stain]

Answer me this. If they pass that law concerning mandatory condoms in the adult industry, will you move your business?

Absolutely. I'll take my business somewhere else.

 

[domshooter]

Why do you NEED it? Last time I checked, it was called the Bill Of Rights. NOT the Bill Of Needs! You should be allowed to own ANY gun, without ANY explanation, provided you aren't a felon, or mentally ill. The lengths you have to go through for an FFL is just plan fucking ridiculous. And good luck getting one with this administration.

i was making a point of what people ask me all the time when they find out i own firearms. i know my rights, and i know theyre being slowly encroached upon, and its been happening for years.

 

[Ike Stain]

It's harder to get a gun at THIS TIME IN HISTORY, then it has ever been previously.

This is actually an interesting point. I wonder what the ratio of whackjobs who go on shooting sprees is to lawful gun owners. I bet you it's pretty damn miniscule.

Maybe the real problem is it's such an emotional issue...

 

[xfire]

I live in Texas. You get a free gun every time you renew your drivers license.

 

[ShikokuKichiguy]

Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act: Imposed, on an interim basis, a five-day waiting period and background check before a licensed gun importer, manufacturer or dealer can sell or deliver a handgun to an unlicensed individual. Required a new National Instant Criminal Background Check System, run by the FBI, be ready to replace the waiting period by Nov. 30, 1998. The new background check system will apply to all firearms and will allow checks to be done over the phone or electronically with results returned immediately in most cases.


Aside from that, how is it difficult to obtain a firearm?
Not very stringent requirements.