New GOP bill challenges Bush Iraq policy

[Friday on my mind]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070713/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

The rats are starting to make moves to desert the sinking ship!

 

[xenantaya]

so what should they do in your opinion?

 

[Friday on my mind]

so what should they do in your opinion?

The republicans need to get on board with democratic efforts which go much further.We need to with start withdrawing our troops now and have the majority out within 6 months IMO.

 

[ChillyInLA]

The need a 3 state system with all of the oil revenues going into a general fund and being distributed equally amongst them.

 

[xenantaya]

We need to with start withdrawing our troops now and have the majority out within 6 months IMO.

ok, so you actually want the rats to desert the sinking ship. This would lead directly into a civil war and make the Iraq a new base for islamic terrorists, like Afghanistan pre-9/11. It's the responsibility (for moral and also pragmatic reasons) to prevent this happening.

The need a 3 state system with all of the oil revenues going into a general fund and being distributed equally amongst them.

the Sunnis won't accept this.

 

[Friday on my mind]

ok, so you actually want the rats to desert the sinking ship. This would lead directly into a civil war and make the Iraq a new base for islamic terrorists, like Afghanistan pre-9/11. It's the responsibility (for moral and also pragmatic reasons) to prevent this happening.


the Sunnis won't accept this.

The rats I am refering to are republicans who are changing their tune on the war for political reasons.They will have a bad bad time in elections in 2008 if they do not change their position on Iraq.The specualtion of what will happen if we leave is just that speculation.We were told the same thing about Vietnam,that if we left there would be a domino effect and all southeat asia would go communist.That did not turn out to be the case.The future of Iraq will be decided by Iraqis and our troops are just in the way of them settling it.Just beacuse we broke Iraq does not mean we can fix it.And let me add the biggest reason a so-called 3 state solution is not desireable is the Kurds.The Kurds ambitions for a greater Kurdistan mean they want land from not only Iraq but also turkey,syria and iran.And all 3 of them will fight to stop that.

 

[meesterperfect]

The republicans need to get on board with democratic efforts which go much further.We need to with start withdrawing our troops now and have the majority out within 6 months IMO.

And then what? I think thats the big question, the future.

The Warner-Lugar proposal states that "American military and diplomatic strategy in Iraq must adjust to the reality that sectarian factionalism is not likely to abate anytime soon and probably cannot be controlled from the top."
So these 2 senators are saying its a lost cause.

Congressional Democrats, who have said the war was draining U.S. assets from the fight against al-Qaida, moved earlier Friday to highlight what they see as a major failure in Bush's war on terror: the inability to bring Osama bin Laden to justice.

How Ironic for Congress to say that, considering if the U.S. does withdraw Iraq will be Al-Qaidas home base, then we'll see some serious U.S. assets being drained in a country they control.

What a choice Bush had, leave Hussien in power or the current situation, sounds like a lose lose situation to me.
But still. I've been watching and waiting, hoping for the best, and have not heard or read in 6 years one Democratic leader give any remotely coherent plan to fight terrorism against the country or the world, nor contribte to the several dozens of terroristic attacks that have been stopped since sept. 11, 2001.

 

[xenantaya]

The specualtion of what will happen if we leave is just that speculation.We were told the same thing about Vietnam,that if we left there would be a domino effect and all southeat asia would go communist.

it seems that if the troops leave now the future will not be decided by "the Iraqis" because without (political) stability it will only be the terrorists who decide. considering the consequences of your actions can always be called speculation but it would be irresponsible to just ignore them. the world of today is not the one as during the Cold War btw, if terrorists take over control in Iraq this would become an immediate threat to the US.

The Kurds ambitions for a greater Kurdistan mean they want land from not only Iraq but also turkey,syria and iran.And all 3 of them will fight to stop that.

this is probably right, a 3 state solution wouldn't work out.

 

[Friday on my mind]

And then what? I think thats the big question, the future.

The Warner-Lugar proposal states that "American military and diplomatic strategy in Iraq must adjust to the reality that sectarian factionalism is not likely to abate anytime soon and probably cannot be controlled from the top."
So these 2 senators are saying its a lost cause.

Congressional Democrats, who have said the war was draining U.S. assets from the fight against al-Qaida, moved earlier Friday to highlight what they see as a major failure in Bush's war on terror: the inability to bring Osama bin Laden to justice.

How Ironic for Congress to say that, considering if the U.S. does withdraw Iraq will be Al-Qaidas home base, then we'll see some serious U.S. assets being drained in a country they control.

What a choice Bush had, leave Hussien in power or the current situation, sounds like a lose lose situation to me.
But still. I've been watching and waiting, hoping for the best, and have not heard or read in 6 years one Democratic leader give any remotely coherent plan to fight terrorism against the country or the world, nor contribte to the several dozens of terroristic attacks that have been stopped since sept. 11, 2001.

it seems that if the troops leave now the future will not be decided by "the Iraqis" because without (political) stability it will only be the terrorists who decide. considering the consequences of your actions can always be called speculation but it would be irresponsible to just ignore them. the world of today is not the one as during the Cold War btw, if terrorists take over control in Iraq this would become an immediate threat to the US.

this is probably right, a 3 state solution wouldn't work out.

You are both basically saying the same thing here so let me answer both at the same time.You are both saying if we leave, Iraq becomes a haven for AL Queda type terrorists.I don't see why Iraq whose sunni population which was led by Saddam and had no allegiance to Al Queda type extremist Sunni groups would feel any differently now.The violence right now in Iraq is overwhelmingly sectarian violence and does not really have much to do with AL Queda.95% of the killings are between sunni and shiites fighting for the power in Iraq.Once that is settled they will deal with the foreign Al Queda types IMO.
And just to Mr.P I think the choice between Iraq as it is now and the Iraq of Saddam is easy,we were better off with the Iraq of Saddam.The reasons for invading Iraq were thin I thought before the invasion and nothing has happened since to change my mind on that.