Music Downloads Not Hurting Industry,
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Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I regularly use youtube to listen to tunes, when I don't want to buy a whole album, but like one or two songs...honestly, I don't even know where to go to download music. But I will burn a copy of a friends disc if he has one I like. I have several cd's....SEVERAL, that I have bought, after having bought the cassette, and the album, not to mention the concert tickets, and in my younger days, a shirt from the show... a shit load of bands, have made their money off of me. I have no remorse for burning a copy of a friends cd.
I only sneak into movie theaters when I legitimately can't afford to go, and as soon as I can, I buy a ticket.
I only leach off of my neighbor's wifi signal when I can't afford to pay my cable bill, and as soon as I can, I pay it and get my own wifi back.
Look, if you're getting something for free that someone else had to work to make, and you're supposed to have paid for it, you're wrong. That's all there is to it. You can justify it in your head all you want, but it's still stealing.
I only leach off of my neighbor's wifi signal when I can't afford to pay my cable bill, and as soon as I can, I pay it and get my own wifi back.
Look, if you're getting something for free that someone else had to work to make, and you're supposed to have paid for it, you're wrong. That's all there is to it. You can justify it in your head all you want, but it's still stealing.
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Hell, I only sneak into my neighbors house and steal food out of his fridge when I'm out of groceries before payday.
SabrinaDeep
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This. I can't afford a Ferrari atm, but i don't go stealing it with the intention to go back and pay for it when and if i'll have the money. It's more unlikely to get caught when downloading music or videos illegally and that's why we think it's fine: yes i have downloaded stuff illegally too, now and then, but i'm not proud and for as much as i try to put an effort on it, i can't find a good excuse to justify my actions.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Stealing a car and stealing a c.d are not the same thing.
If you're using CD in the sense of an album and you're talking digital wares than sure, that's arguable due to the fact that no one is deprived of any physical thing. If you steal a car, someone is missing a car. If you replicate data, no one is missing data.
That said, you're still screwing people out of money. :dunno:
Not at all.
So then you DO pay for porn? What sites you a member at, huh?
SabrinaDeep
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Stealing a car and stealing a c.d are not the same thing.
CDs and cars are not the same thing. Stealing cds or stealing cars are the same action: stealing.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
I have been a member at some site over the years. Also, DVSs, VHS tapes, and magazines.
Just like the video said, downloading can help sales.
Downloaded files are assumed sales, so no I'm not screwing anybody out of money.
Just for the record, I'm playing devils advocate here. I have a way too big cd/dvd collection. I'd wager bigger than 99% of the users on this board. Thousands of cds and dvds. Most of which I d/l first and then purchase. Not movies, just music. Most of the bands in my collection can thank piracy for my purchase.
That said, YouTube has eliminated my need to download anything anymore.
There's different levels of theft. And piracy isn't theft.
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So no names. That's not suspicious.
So non-digital wares, thus stuff that can't be easily misappropriated, and probably predating your ease of access to the Internet.
Gotcha.
You know, your article says this...
... condemning what you're saying it condones.
Beyond which there are plenty of perfectly valid and legal methods to sample music (and other digital content) that doesn't involve copyright infringement, thus undermining the suggested perceived benefit of it.
You're still screwing someone out of money because, assumed or not, you owe them money for their copyright whether or not you were going to buy the work.
:dunno: It's not my copyright to defend, so it's all just an intellectual exercise anyway.
Lolita_Borgia
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I don't agree with people downloading anything for free & ripping off artists of any genre - if it's the artist they are ripping off & not the huge conglomerate company (they can go fuck themselves if the artist has already been paid...) But unfortunately sometimes we need to get with the program so to speak & realise that in 'this' day & age 'this' is what is happening - right or wrong. Society, artist's & all of us need to think 'ok how can we make this fair, how can we ensure that the artist is paid for their 'art' but it is available for all to see, watch, listen too etc' so the artist is known, found & appreciated. The US tried the prohibition of alcohol & it was completely unsuccessful - why because people like to drink & a lot of people don't see anything wrong with consuming alcohol so in the end the US abolished prohibition. Same now with smoking marijuana, a lot of people do it even thought its illegal because they don't feel it is morally wrong & at some point in time our government revenue creators will just have to see it a losing battle fighting against drugs. This is more a less the same - generation y have been brought up with downloading whatever they want when they want we just need to maybe cut out the 'middle companies' & pay the artist's direct at a more reasonable price. The only person getting rich should be the artist's themselves... but I also don't agree with them being paid millions of dollars either & this will possibly change too because if it doesn't the companies & artists will both be paid fuck all as the majority rip it off the net... :2 cents:
Oral sex was considered to be the 'work of the devil' & you could have been hung for such acts but as a civilized society we believe in 'progression'...
Oral sex was considered to be the 'work of the devil' & you could have been hung for such acts but as a civilized society we believe in 'progression'...
I tend to agree with this.
The music industry as we know it is something of a dinosaur, and only exists in any form today thanks to its army of lawyers. It's something that should already be extinct and replaced by something better and more efficient. The industry has traditionally provided the necessary distribution and publicity. Well, we now live in an age where they aren't needed for distribution and they've never done a good job with publicity anyway.
JaanaRuutu
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CDs and cars aren't the same thing. For example, if you steal a car, you get a little bit of jail time and a small fine. if you pirate a few things, you get fines upwards of $100,000 and 15 in prison. There's something severely wrong with that in my opinion. Rapists get less jail time than people who pirate onine.
I also think those who put the stuff out there are bigger assholes than the people who download it, especially in the case of porn. There's a website with TONS of recorded cam shows, and a lot of models don't know they're being recorded(and would never be okay with it being put on a tube site!) and don't know where to look, so the videos stay out there forever. Some moron trying to get off comes across the site and has no idea he's watching stolen content. Who's the asshole here? The guy going around recording shows just to hurt models or they guy who thinks it's just another porn site?
I also think those who put the stuff out there are bigger assholes than the people who download it, especially in the case of porn. There's a website with TONS of recorded cam shows, and a lot of models don't know they're being recorded(and would never be okay with it being put on a tube site!) and don't know where to look, so the videos stay out there forever. Some moron trying to get off comes across the site and has no idea he's watching stolen content. Who's the asshole here? The guy going around recording shows just to hurt models or they guy who thinks it's just another porn site?
Elwood70
Torn & Frayed.
The industry has also robbed artists blind, more than downloading ever could.
JaanaRuutu
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Yes and no. Different industry people will say yes you're right and others will say no you're wrong. I'm somewhere in the middle.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I don't think an individual is going to get that kind of time, but an operation creating hundreds of fake cd's, or dvd's would. One individual, caught doing it will get a fine, but the maximum is unlikely. Grand theft auto is also a far more serious crime, and usually carries many other charges with it, such as fleeing and alluding, resisting arrest, etc., though I agree that rapists don't serve enough time, under any circumstance.
Roald is right, you can't compare porn and music. While you may have every right to your product...that product is your person. I can't speak as to how often it happens, but I would safely assume a great deal of what you do in a show, is the idea of the viewer, you would show your snatch one way or another, HOW you show it, isn't always your idea. BUT, when a musician creates a riff, or a melody, that is his brain child. Twenty guys might all have the same idea of what position you should pose in, but once a musician records his work, it's supposed to be a one time thing...barring the obvious natural chord progressions that will always occur when you're just trying to come up with something, that piece of music is forever an original thing. Though I don't believe there are really any more original idea's out there, which is why I personally think most of today's music sucks. Many artists themselves are guilty of ripping off their peers. Led Zeppelin plundered so many blues musicians it's pathetic...and don't even get me started with this rap bullshit. There pathetic claims that they aren't plagiarizing a song, only "sampling" a beat, or riff, and using it to create their own song is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard of.
Elwood70
Torn & Frayed.
I don't expect industry people to be honest about how much they steal.
