Most say it's the guns. I say, it's today's society

[ApolloBalboa]

Like I said saying guns kill people is ignorant, its like saying spoons made you fat or mcdonalds gave you diabetes. People are so quick to blame guns instead of the hand that draws it.

Do you think guns get up walk over load themselves and go to a school or whatever and start shooting random people? Naw never

Guns are made to defend your rights and freedom and protect your family and loved ones, so trying to ban guns in society ends up hurting innocent people not the criminals! Do you think banning drugs has stopped criminals? No

If you love the USA, you gotta love guns cause without them there would be no red, white or blue.

The two examples you give are nothing more than cases for personal responsibility. Gun issues are so, so much more than that. Do you hear people taking personal responsibility if their kid gets a hold of their gun and accidentally shoots themselves? Do you think Nancy Lanza would have claimed it's her fault that she kept automatic weapons in the house where anybody could get to them? If people were willing to accept that they sometimes had a part(s) in situations where guns injured or claimed lives, it'd be one thing, but people always claim "It's my right to keep whatever I want in my house and expect that it's safe."

A gun is nothing more than a device meant to injure, maim, or kill that which you aim it at. A knife can do those things as well, but it can serve other purposes, a gun cannot. Guns are no more made to defend my rights and freedom and protect my family and loved ones than a bomb is, but you don't see people being able to buy and keep those for "protection." If you want to make that argument for guns, make it for bombs, make it for tanks, make it for submarines with nuclear torpedoes, EVERYONE should be able to keep one of those for protection.

Banning guns in society doesn't hurt innocent people, because they are and still will be trained professionals whose jobs require guns to actually serve and protect, not like people who take it upon themselves to buy guns and call themselves "deputies" or the local neighborhood watch. Criminals will be able to get guns whether or not there's a ban, but for people who don't need or require an automatic weapon, why should they be allowed to own one?

Guns were used in the American Revolution to defend ourselves against the British, so there might not have been a USA if we hadn't had them, but there's a time and a place where things are necessary; a war is a cause for guns if you want to protect yourself, but there's no cause for people just stockpiling guns upon guns for the sake of sport or "home protection."

 

[Rattrap]

If you love the USA, you gotta love guns cause without them there would be no red, white or blue.

Britain and Australia seem to be doing fine with their red, white and blue sans guns...

Guns are made to defend your rights and freedom and protect your family and loved ones, so trying to ban guns in society ends up hurting innocent people not the criminals! Do you think banning drugs has stopped criminals? No

A gun is nothing more than a device meant to injure, maim, or kill that which you aim it at. A knife can do those things as well, but it can serve other purposes, a gun cannot. Guns are no more made to defend my rights and freedom and protect my family and loved ones than a bomb is, but you don't see people being able to buy and keep those for "protection."

I'm going to go ahead and quote this again...

A gun is nothing more than a device meant to injure, maim, or kill that which you aim it at. A knife can do those things as well, but it can serve other purposes, a gun cannot. Guns are no more made to defend my rights and freedom and protect my family and loved ones than a bomb is, but you don't see people being able to buy and keep those for "protection."

See my last post for better examples of means of self-defense that don't work as well as means of aggression.

 

[L3ggy]

Pics?

Forgot to take any.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Its crazy fuckers!!! Demented, antisocial, pieces of shit with no better way to express themselves or make anything out of themselves than to commit these acts. I for one refuse to adjust my way of living my life because of a freak with a death wish! If we adjust in any way then those Assholes get over on us all. I say FUCK THEM!!! But I understand that this country tends to go off the deep end when something this heinous happens. All I can say is I wish this "fad" would fade away but it looks as though its become the new suicide method for the lonely assholes of the world. The world is a very cold shitty place and the only good is what you make of it.

 

[larss]

 

[Sam Fisher]

I'll bet 90% of the people in here can't even give the definition of what an "ASSAULT RIFLE" is and, what makes it an "ASSAULT RIFLE". Anybody???

 

[Jagger69]

I'll bet 90% of the people in here can't even give the definition of what an "ASSAULT RIFLE" is and, what makes it an "ASSAULT RIFLE". Anybody???

Has a removable magazine and uses intermediate cartridges instead of full-battle ones. Amirite???

Oh....they are really, really good at killing a bunch of people in a single sweep too. Just in case you need it sometime.

 

[Briana Lee]

They need it for when the government comes in and starts telling them what to do in their own home. They need them to defend their bunker and to blow up the government tanks that Obama will start rolling across their lawns. These people be a little paranoid and crazy and think the USA is Syria or something.

:cmon: I want to see the video of you fighting a wild hog or better yet a bear with a sword.


I never said anything about those guns.I'm talking about the rifles used to protect our homes like the Ak47 ,ar 15's. The guns you mention are used by so called wanna be gangsters. How many people actually run around with a " street Sweeper"? Most of the time these people are getting these guns from who?The people at the army bases.I can go right now and get a Street Sweeper for 300 bucks from the same people everyone is arguing should be the only one's allowed to have guns.

Not matter what guns don't kill people,people kill people. Dont Blame the Guns, a lot of people would be alive right now if they had a gun!

Where the hell do you live that you need an AK47 to protect your home?!

I admit, I didn't fully state my thinking in that post. I was reacting rather than responding. I'm sorry about that.

You were responding to Briana's post, which referenced assault weapons in general, not necessarily assault rifles. I could be wrong, but I think her point was that we really don't restrict the sale of any guns despite the fact that some have no legitimate uses period. The only possible purpose for an Uzi is to mow down large numbers of humans. Whether a lot of people wander down the street with one is beside the point. There's no justification at all for someone to have one as it's totally impractical for hunting & sport. Yet whenever the assault weapons ban is brought up for a vote in Congress, assault rifles like the ones you mentioned and fully automatic weapons like the ones I mentioned are always defended equally by the gun lobby, and often the defense centers around the the rights of hunters and sportsmen, and I've always found that argument incredulous where Uzi's & Street Sweeper's are concerned.

On the other hand, AK's aren't terribly practical for hunting either, are they? They're notoriously inaccurate, and their chief benefit is that they're rugged in all weather types and rarely malfunction, right? AR-15's can be modified to work well as hunting rifles, but aren't there like 50 other better rifles that don't double as semi-automatic assault rifles?

I also have to wonder: are rifles of any kind really useful for defending one's home? Maybe if you live in the wilderness and you're able to see them (whoever "they" are) coming. But are they practical for close quarters? This isn't a rhetorical question, I'm really asking because I've always been told they're not. Might as well try swinging a baseball bat in a closet.

And if you look to one of my posts below, you'll see that I agree with you that guns aren't to blame, but the people who use them. My problem with your position, though (viz., that it doesn't matter, that people can always get guns) is that you seem to think that's the end of the story. Simply resigning ourselves to that doesn't take a single step toward preventing future killing. We can pass sensible gun legislation in this country without violating the rights of law-abiding people, but we won't get anywhere if we begin by assuming there's nothing we can do.

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Anyone who says lets change gun laws or ban certain guns, clearly has no idea what they are talking about.

lol if we ban or change gun law's what do you think would happen? Ill tell you it will get worse, just look at all the illegal substances meth, heroin, marijuana and etc all these are illegal but yet they are being flooded onto the streets of every neighborhood in america.

We cant change what comes into this country or what happens to people but have the right to defend it with are right to bear arms, you take these guns away from the people that abide by the law and use them to protect their family and friends and yet the crimanals will still have access to these sort of weapons.

Guns dont kill people, man does. For example if that guy in CT was to have a knife and slit the throats of all those kids, think about how many more he would have killed being silent and taking people out without a single peep. And nobody would have known what was going on.

Sayings guns kill people is like saying spoons made me fat.

Ok well tell me why since the UK banned pretty much every fire arm imaginable nothing like this has happened......are we really that dumb in this country that we think we can just ignore this?!

Let's just leave the law the way it is and let it happen all over again at another school....to someone else's kids. I guess because you're not personally involved it doesn't matter right?

^^^^^^^Probably the best post in this thread.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I'll bet 90% of the people in here can't even give the definition of what an "ASSAULT RIFLE" is and, what makes it an "ASSAULT RIFLE". Anybody???

Pistol grip, bayonet lug....blah, blah. It's just a halfassed scarey word, some tree hugging liberal cunt bag decided to call a semi automatic firearm to freak out the mass of ignorant fucks, that don't realize a criminal gets his guns from the black market, not a gun store. Same basic operating mechanism that makes an M1 Garand rifle fire, operates an AK47

 

[Johan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...oes-mike-huckabee-on-newtown-school-shooting/

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Where the hell do you live that you need an AK47 to protect your home?!



:goodpost:



Ok well tell me why since the UK banned pretty much every fire arm imaginable nothing like this has happened......are we really that dumb in this country that we think we can just ignore this?!

Let's just leave the law the way it is and let it happen all over again at another school....to someone else's kids. I guess because you're not personally involved it doesn't matter right?



^^^^^^^Probably the best post in this thread.

The Uk pretty much TOOK their guns away....we are citizens, they are subjects. Democracy isn't freedom. Big difference there.

Laws need to be changed, but guns aren't the problem, who, and how they are obtained is

Much as you, as an adult entertainer would not consider yourself, or appreciate being considered no more then a dirty whore, I as a gun owner would not, nor do I want to be considered a whack job because I enjoy shooting the types of weapons that everyone feels a need to ban. Just because you get naked, doesn't give anyone the right to label you, or censor you....you should not be punished for your controversial profession....all gun owners do not deserve to suffer for the actions of a mad man.

 

[Shifty]

I'll bet 90% of the people in here can't even give the definition of what an "ASSAULT RIFLE" is and, what makes it an "ASSAULT RIFLE". Anybody???

Because it is totally irrelevant.

Said people are perplexed by the fact that an unstable individual is able to obtain an "ASSAULT RIFLE".

 

[Sam Fisher]

Pistol grip, bayonet lug....blah, blah. It's just a halfassed scarey word, some tree hugging liberal cunt bag decided to call a semi automatic firearm to freak out the mass of ignorant fucks, that don't realize a criminal gets his guns from the black market, not a gun store. Same basic operating mechanism that makes an M1 Garand rifle fire, operates an AK47

DING, DING, DING..... we have a winner!

 

[Shifty]

Laws need to be changed, but guns aren't the problem, who, and how they are obtained is.

Guns aren't the problem, no. But they fall into the wrong hands far, far, far too often. They become the final solution.

Apparently, Sam blames society.

Then why arm your society? Do you wish for shootouts in the streets between criminals and the law-abiding? It's 2012. Is this how how wish to live?

Much as you, as an adult entertainer would not consider yourself, or appreciate being considered no more then a dirty whore, I as a gun owner would not, nor do I want to be considered a whack job because I enjoy shooting the types of weapons that everyone feels a need to ban. Just because you get naked, doesn't give anyone the right to label you, or censor you....you should not be punished for your controversial profession....all gun owners do not deserve to suffer for the actions of a mad man.

This is an embarrassingly weak comparison.

Should this really about you, the individual? Or should the discussion rather be focused on your society?

Admit it, you don't care about anything other than your individual "right" to own a gun. That's what this boils down to - you, the individual and what you consider your "right".

Society? You obviously love your guns more.

You use the term "suffer". Did you actually mean "suffer"?

How can you even use that term?

 

[Sam Fisher]

http://americainchains2009.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/dictators-and-gun-control/

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Guns aren't the problem, no. But they fall into the wrong hands far, far, far too often. They become the final solution.

Apparently, Sam blames society.

Then why arm your society? Do you wish for shootouts in the streets between criminals and the law-abiding? It's 2012. Is this how how wish to live?



This is an embarrassingly weak comparison.

Should this really about you, the individual? Or should the discussion rather be focused on your society?

Admit it, you don't care about anything other than your individual "right" to own a gun. That's what this boils down to - you, the individual and what you consider your "right".

Society? You obviously love your guns more.

You use the term "suffer". Did you actually mean "suffer"?

How can you even use that term?

I wrote what I meant, I stand by it....weak or not, I feel violated by the thought of my RIGHT to own a gun, being taken away from me, because of the assholes in this world, and although I don't become offended easily, I stand by the comparison, Brianna doesn't want to be labeled for who she is, and neither do I. Who, and what we are may be very different, but still brings out emotion in certain people, and more importantly, unfair judgment. You're wrong, I care about EVERY gun owners rights...and if the United States were to outlaw firearms, as a society, they would fail, and I care about that VERY much.

 

[Shifty]

I wrote what I meant, I stand by it....weak or not, I feel violated by the thought of my RIGHT to own a gun, being taken away from me, because of the assholes in this world, and although I don't become offended easily, I stand by the comparison, Brianna doesn't want to be labeled for who she is, and neither do I. Who, and what we are may be very different, but still brings out emotion in certain people, and more importantly, unfair judgment. You're wrong, I care about EVERY gun owners rights...and if the United States were to outlaw firearms, as a society, they would fail, and I care about that VERY much.

Indeed, you do become offended. And easily.

Remove emotion from this. Think rationally.

Work toward a compromise, and encourage your friends to do the same.

 

[John_8581]

For example if that guy in CT was to have a knife and slit the throats of all those kids, think about how many more he would have killed being silent and taking people out without a single peep. And nobody would have known what was going on.

Try to use another example, because the one you are drawing from here presently makes no sense whatsoever. Like working in a slaughterhouse or in a butcher shop, if Adam Lanza had used a big Bowie knife like the one "Crocodile Dundee" used, then he'd be covered in blood from head to toe, his clothes would be saturated in blood, his face, skin, hands, legs, anything exposed would be covered and matted with blood; which in itself, would have brought him unwanted attention as soon as he fled the classrooms after killing those children.

Plus he'd have to be a pretty strong individual to hold down those people, kicking and defending themselves, to slit 27 throats and kill them... Right?

 

[Jagger69]

http://americainchains2009.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/dictators-and-gun-control/

Good God....give it a rest already, Sam. Societal issues are most certainly a factor in the mindless violence that we see in today's America. I already made that point earlier in this thread and was vilified for it. I stand by my prior statements but is there no room at all for consideration of proposals that would possibly help prevent another Sandy Hook from happening that would not create a serious infringement upon the rights of those who want to own and use certain weapons in a legal manner? You NRA-types are a curious lot. You want an absolute right to access and use any gun that is available on the open market without any restrictions whatsoever....correct? :dunno: That's an unreasonable expectation that has precedent in other aspects of the constitution that should give you reason for pause.

Compare this stance to the the judicial interpretation of the first amendment. I have a right to freedom of expression that is guaranteed by the constitution. However, this right does not mean that I can scream "Fuck you!!!" at my neighbor over the fence without legal consequences. I cannot set up speakers outside my house and loudly blast whatever I choose across my neighborhood without experiencing the probable intervention of law enforcement. And, in the classic example used by the late, great Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, I cannot indiscriminately yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater without being found in violation of the law.

My point is....the freedoms assured by the Bill of Rights are not absolute. Certain restrictions can and do apply to them within the bounds of reasonable consideration. The same type of restrictions can apply to guns without violating the intent of the second amendment and still provide a degree of protection for society that might help prevent such a tragedy as the one that took place last week at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Our founding fathers intended the constitution to be an evolving document. Hence, the reason for the elastic clause which states:

"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof”.

Is there not room for compromise on this issue? If not, how many more innocent people need to have their lives compromised without those like you possibly taking some degree of restriction into consideration? If even one life is saved in the process without creating an infringement on your right to buy and use guns in a legal manner, why would you not be in favor of it? :dunno:

 

[lurkingdirk]

Sam, it seems problematic that several stated Conservatives don't share your position in this issue. I wonder if you'd care to comment on that?