Most Americans just don't want small cars

A lot of Americans NEED those SUVs and trucks because of where they live.

Huh? No they don't. We're no longer a ranching or farming nation. The tools that a contractor needs can fit fine in the trunk of a car/station wagon (like a Jetta wagon or Suburu Outback type wagon).

Gas is only going up -- it will never drop below $3/gal here. It will be at $4 by the end of the year and next year will never drop below $4.

What I don't understand is if public buses can run on alternative fuels -- why can't semi-trucks run those same engines?

The trucking industry is the industry that is the greatest polluter and gas guzzler and nobody mentions about *modernizing* the trucking industry... :weeping:
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Same here.

Good for you, you wasted thousands of dollars on useless shit for an impractical car. I'm sure your family appreciates it.

People often make choices for themselves that others might not feel are right for them. :dunno: Personally, I've been a gearhead since I was a kid. I've owned some great cars and some real dogs... that I thought would be great (Porsche *cough cough*) But where I'll spend more than the average person will on a car or accessories, I'm baffled when I hear that the video game market now has $74 billion in annual sales globally. Bloomberg just reported on a guy who spent $75K playing Farmville in one year. Hell, I don't even know what Farmviile is. I'm also baffled when I hear $70-$80 billion market cap valuations for Facebook thrown around. The reason these things baffle me is because I've never been into video games and I've never spent any real amount of time on a social network. So I accept that these are things that I can't really relate to, since I'm not into them. But that doesn't mean that the people who do spends hours and hours on end, playing computer/console games or chatting with strangers and "friends" on social networks, are bad people or wrong. Hell, I do spend time here, so I "get it". But I don't spend money and I don't go through withdrawal if I don't come here for a few weeks.

The same is true of cars and the car culture, IMO. Andronicus is not a car guy, by his own admission. But I believe he's been a fan of the Indy 500 since he was a kid. Not all racing fans are car guys, though typically they are. But cars are not something that he finds all that interesting... he's not "into them". And that's cool. But like I said, the mistake that people often make is thinking that what they are into is normal and fine, but what others are into is a waste of time. Whenever I catch myself doing that, I try to check myself.

As for the smaller car thing, if you look at 2-3 year sales trend data from all of the manufacturers that sell in the U.S., you'll notice that more fuel efficient vehicles have been selling the less fuel efficient versions of the same model. So it's not so much about "smaller" as about what is more fuel efficient. My daily driver is a modified WRX that is classified as a subcompact. But it's not very fuel efficient. With the modifications I've fitted, it generates around 300 hp and gets around 24 mpg. I'm 6'3" and I fit in it just fine. And even though the fuel mileage isn't great, I love this car! It's better and more fun than the one it shares a garage with that cost me three times as much. But I've always liked the feel of smaller, lighter, powerful cars more than great big land yachts that make the tires squeal if you take a turn going more than 25 mph. Me, I don't get the 5'2" soccer moms who can barely see over the steering wheels of their Caddy Escalades and Lincoln Navigators... but to each his or her own.

If/when fuel prices go back up, I'm sure you'll continue seeing Americans choosing more fuel efficient vehicles, no matter the size.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
What I don't understand is if public buses can run on alternative fuels -- why can't semi-trucks run those same engines?

The trucking industry is the industry that is the greatest polluter and gas guzzler and nobody mentions about *modernizing* the trucking industry... :weeping:

You're right and they can. It just needs to be embraced or supported more. There was a really cool piece that was on Bloomberg about a week ago that you'd have probably enjoyed. It dealt with not just the trucking industry, but also the airline industry. I'll try to find the name of the program and post it here or PM you. But it basically detailed the advances in the use of natural gas and biodiesel in trucking and bio jet fuel in airlines. Conversions are expensive. But when the technology is built into the original design, it's not that much more expensive up front, and in the long run would save untold amounts over traditional fossil fuels.

Here's one firm that's made some real leaps forward with a new type of internal combustion engine, employing a "split cycle": Scuderi Design. They claim a 50-100% gain in mpg's. There's also the EcoMotors flat engine (a design that I've always been partial to). Bill Gates and others are behind Eco as venture capitalists.
 
Huh? No they don't. We're no longer a ranching or farming nation. The tools that a contractor needs can fit fine in the trunk of a car/station wagon (like a Jetta wagon or Suburu Outback type wagon).

Gas is only going up -- it will never drop below $3/gal here. It will be at $4 by the end of the year and next year will never drop below $4.

What I don't understand is if public buses can run on alternative fuels -- why can't semi-trucks run those same engines?

The trucking industry is the industry that is the greatest polluter and gas guzzler and nobody mentions about *modernizing* the trucking industry... :weeping:

Are you kidding me? I live next to a whole slew of contractors who have trucks to carry all their heavy equipment and supplies to and from work. When they get home they use it to pull their boat and take all their kids with them.

They are not going to be hauling all those heavy tools in the back of their wagon, there's a limit to how much they can carry.


The rest of your comments are just stupid. Hybrid trucks, direct injection, small displacement trucks with turbochargers and diesel powered trucks are already on the market and considerably more efficient ones are on the horizon.
 

Facetious

Moderated
Huh? No they don't. We're no longer a ranching or farming nation.

Wrong & Wrong.

Where does your food come from, a ranch or a farm of sorts, right? :rolleyes:


The tools that a contractor needs can fit fine in the trunk of a car/station wagon (like a Jetta wagon or Suburu Outback type wagon).
Sure if you don't mind leaving the jobsite 3-10 times a day to go fetch tools. I know just a little bit about residential construction and those involved in the trades and I have yet to see one single builder that doesn't regularly employ the use of a truck or trucks, how could you be so irrational?
 
Huh? No they don't. We're no longer a ranching or farming nation. The tools that a contractor needs can fit fine in the trunk of a car/station wagon (like a Jetta wagon or Suburu Outback type wagon).

Where do you work?
 

RichardNailder

Approved Content Owner
He's vehemently anti capitalist/ anti private sector, unless he hooked himself up with a government job, I would appraise that he doesn't work. ;)

It's amazing how many people that have never contributed to the economic wealth of this country criticize those that truly are the backbone of our economy.

Any fool that thinks that farming is not the backbone of our country needs to starve for a few days. :2 cents:
 
It's amazing how many people that have never contributed to the economic wealth of this country criticize those that truly are the backbone of our economy.

Any fool that thinks that farming is not the backbone of our country needs to starve for a few days. :2 cents:

Honestly I'd take it one or two further than that. The backbone is really the Bee Keepers and the bees themselves.

Without them all you've got is wind pollinated crops like wheat and corn. Unless you hate fruit and veggies and love gruel and cereal. Then they are the most important part.

I do think the age of the small farmer is gone for the most part. Potentially coming back in ways with organic farming; however organic farming doesn't have any stable criteria atm as to what it actually "is".

Agri-business is big business. Like Monsanto and Smithfield. Corrupt corporate juggernauts fighting over market share. If you work for them you either aren't moving machinery at all or just working the farm you own that's contracted to them.
 

RichardNailder

Approved Content Owner
Honestly I'd take it one or two further than that. The backbone is really the Bee Keepers and the bees themselves.

Without them all you've got is wind pollinated crops like wheat and corn. Unless you hate fruit and veggies and love gruel and cereal. Then they are the most important part.

I do think the age of the small farmer is gone for the most part. Potentially coming back in ways with organic farming; however organic farming doesn't have any stable criteria atm as to what it actually "is".

Agri-business is big business. Like Monsanto and Smithfield. Corrupt corporate juggernauts fighting over market share. If you work for them you either aren't moving machinery at all or just working the farm you own that's contracted to them.

A good part of my family is involved in farming. No huge cooperate farms, but large and small, very successful family farms throughout the inter-mountain west. From large cattle farms in the western Utah desert, sheep herders in Wyoming, grain, hay and potato farms across the river plains of central Idaho, dairy farmers in the mountain valleys of northern Utah and produce farmers along the Arkansas river in Colorado.

So next time you are sitting on your balcony enjoying a fresh autumn breeze enjoying a thick juicy steak, a sour-cream and butter soaked baked-potato, a loaf of steaming bread, a cold beer or a glass of wine with a slice of cheese followed by a fresh slice of cantaloupe smothered in ice-cream, pull your wool sweater tight and be glad you live in a country where the farmers can and do provide your complacent overweight ass with all this luxury and remember: Not one of them could have done their job without a pickup.
 
A good part of my family is involved in farming. No huge cooperate farms, but large and small, very successful family farms throughout the inter-mountain west. From large cattle farms in the western Utah desert, sheep herders in Wyoming, grain, hay and potato farms across the river plains of central Idaho, dairy farmers in the mountain valleys of northern Utah and produce farmers along the Arkansas river in Colorado.

So next time you are sitting on your balcony enjoying a fresh autumn breeze enjoying a thick juicy steak, a sour-cream and butter soaked baked-potato, a loaf of steaming bread, a cold beer or a glass of wine with a slice of cheese followed by a fresh slice of cantaloupe smothered in ice-cream, pull your wool sweater tight and be glad you live in a country where the farmers can and do provide your complacent overweight ass with all this luxury and remember: Not one of them could have done their job without a pickup.

Are you an idiot or something? Why did you go on and on neg repping me when I never said anything about farming?
 

RichardNailder

Approved Content Owner
No, you are just an idiot who replies/neg reps without reading posts.


Go ahead and show me where I said anything bad about farmers or contractors, troll. I'd love to know what "content" you're producing too.

One question at a time - after all - I'm an idiot.


Actually - you're right on this one. Sorry dude, my bad.
 

bahodeme

Closed Account
Huh? No they don't. We're no longer a ranching or farming nation. The tools that a contractor needs can fit fine in the trunk of a car/station wagon (like a Jetta wagon or Suburu Outback type wagon).

Gas is only going up -- it will never drop below $3/gal here. It will be at $4 by the end of the year and next year will never drop below $4.

What I don't understand is if public buses can run on alternative fuels -- why can't semi-trucks run those same engines?

The trucking industry is the industry that is the greatest polluter and gas guzzler and nobody mentions about *modernizing* the trucking industry... :weeping:
It's not a technical problem with semis as much as logistics. It's a catch 22 because are not enough stations that provide gas (compressed) since there are not enough semis that run it. No truck buyers will buy one since there are no stations. As far as SUV's not being needed. People who say that are the same people 2 yrs ago that I took to from the local hospitals for shift changes and doc. appointments or last year when they ran out of gas because of it snowed & the highway dept. was expecting rain instead of snow. The again I guess they didn't need one because I did.
 
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