Michael Moore: Propagandist

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

I don't think there is any real debate over his films: they're his opinion pure and simple. There's really nothing more to it than that.

That's not accurate at all. Moore plays this cute angle where he presents his movies as documentaries full of data and facts aiding the theme, but when called on intentional "inaccuracies" or downright deformation of character through editing, he plays up the, "Hey, it's just a movie, pal" shtick.

The truth is, most people are dummies. Dummies on the Left, dummies on the Right. When anybody takes advantage of that fact and distorts truth to advance an agenda and make some money, it is more than just presenting an opinion.

For the record, I think Moore's a talented guy and if I had no interest in politics and just liked the occasional controlled outrage, I'd probably dig his work. But people need to be honest about what Moore is, what he does and who he influences. Just as we do for Limbaugh, Beck or Maher.

 

[oscabares]

That's not accurate at all. Moore plays this cute angle where he presents his movies as documentaries full of data and facts aiding the theme, but when called on intentional "inaccuracies" or downright deformation of character through editing, he plays up the, "Hey, it's just a movie, pal" shtick.

The truth is, most people are dummies. Dummies on the Left, dummies on the Right. When anybody takes advantage of that fact and distorts truth to advance an agenda and make some money, it is more than just presenting an opinion.

For the record, I think Moore's a talented guy and if I had no interest in politics and just liked the occasional controlled outrage, I'd probably dig his work. But people need to be honest about what Moore is, what he does and who he influences. Just as we do for Limbaugh, Beck or Maher.

Hi, is realy interesting to see how different is opinion about that guy in the US and here in Europe... (Well.. mainly Spain)
I guess with the distance you loose a lot of perspective, but here he became some sort of a simbol of how bad was the bush administration.
(Quite funny when you see how our administration is sending the country to disaster)
His movies have been used to bring the idea that cons are some sort of evil and leftys are gonna save us all
So I guess he just knows how to keep happy his crowd... no matter if he has to distort reality. Is that what you called talent?

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Hi, is realy interesting to see how different is opinion about that guy in the US and here in Europe... (Well.. mainly Spain)
I guess with the distance you loose a lot of perspective, but here he became some sort of a simbol of how bad was the bush administration.
(Quite funny when you see how our administration is sending the country to disaster)
His movies have been used to bring the idea that cons are some sort of evil and leftys are gonna save us all
So I guess he just knows how to keep happy his crowd... no matter if he has to distort reality. Is that what you called talent?

No, I meant "talent" in regard to the actual process of film making and making an entertaining movie. If you go into to see his movie for entertainment value only, it can be enjoyable. I think he could make a great, entertaining and intellectually honest movie if he applied his talent to exposing something rather than trying to indoctrinate the uniformed or please those who are already Liberals.

Instead, his skills are wasted on advancing Progressive ideas via any means necessary and that's both disgusting and inexcusable.

 

[om3ga]

Actually I thought he had some good things to say in Capitalism: A Love Story, but I wished he avoided the stunts, like asking passers-by what are "derivatives" and "credit default swaps" (to explain those instruments would require another film anyway...)

 

[HELLRAISER]

I don't think there is any real debate over his films: they're his opinion pure and simple. There's really nothing more to it than that.

Of course NeoCons can't debate the subject matter and factual content of his great films that's why they resort to personal insults

 

[titsrock]

Are you bored WillE? Why didn't you just bump one of the other MM--Capitalism threads and simply add in your little clips?

Where's the attention whore smiley?

 

[titsrock]

Perhaps one day, someone who hates him with a lot of hatred will put a bomb under his car or shoot him to death,who knows.

Um. Should this be tolerated? That seems like it might be in violation of the rules.

 

[sz_matters]

Moore is no different than Rush or any of the Fox News talking heads that conservatives slurp on the daily. The difference is what side of the aisle they are on and the fact that liberals don't take everything Moore says as gospel, while conservatives would drink poison if Rush or Beck told them it would help fight socialism.

They've all got a long way to go to catch up to the Catholic church. :yesyes:

 

[mrtrebus]

Michael "the fat pig " Moore is just another sticky fat unamerican pig who moans and bitches at his country and its constitution. I have never seen a bigger fat sack of shit than him. The French Jury in Cannes awarded him for his anti republican and anti american views, Michael Moore is a leftist and if he was making movies like these in the 50's-60's, Hoover would have certainly sent him to jail. Perhaps one day, someone who hates him with a lot of hatred will put a bomb under his car or shoot him to death,who knows.

Oooo! calm down dear! He is not anti-american. It is actually extremely patriotic to question the flaws you see in your own country, because you want your country to be the best it can be. To live up to its ideal!
I won't deny that his stuff does come from a biased stance but you have obviously totally missed the point of what he is trying to do.

As for advocating his murder, well that's pathetic.

Oh, & thanks for the enlightening comment that he is a leftist.

 

[Will E Worm]

Are you bored WillE? Why didn't you just bump one of the other MM--Capitalism threads and simply add in your little clips?

Where's the attention whore smiley?

You have the attention whore threads.
You're supposed to bypass threads like this instead of hijacking and derailing.

You just don't like the truth. :tongue:

Um. Should this be tolerated? That seems like it might be in violation of the rules.

No, it is perfectly fine. :yesyes:

 

[calpoon]

WHY CAPITALISM WORKS BEST

I take it that article wasn't written by someone who is homeless.

In a capitalist society...No person or group may initiate the use of physical force against others.

So there is no police or military in Capitalism?

Sounds kind of like some hippie bullshit to me.

 

[Will E Worm]

I take it that article wasn't written by someone who is homeless.

So there is no police or military in Capitalism?

Sounds kind of like some hippie bullshit to me.

No, they were in their home on their property.

The police can't legally impose force. They have to have a good reason.
Also, the military is not legally allowed to be used against American citizens.

 

[HELLRAISER]

NeoCons can't debunk presented by Michael Moore that's why they waste their breath questioning his patriotism and bemoaning his weight while ignoring the fact that Rush Limbaugh is truly a fat ass unpatriotic unamerican NeoCon blabbering pig who hates the U.S. constitution

 

[Will E Worm]

NeoCons can't debunk presented by Michael Moore that's why they waste their breath questioning his patriotism and bemoaning his weight while ignoring the fact that Rush Limbaugh is truly a fat ass unpatriotic unAmerican NeoCon blabbering pig who hates the U.S. constitution

I never said anything about his weight. He is obese.

Moore is anti-American and needs to leave America.

Prove Limbaugh hates America.

 

[shayd]

That's not accurate at all. Moore plays this cute angle where he presents his movies as documentaries full of data and facts aiding the theme, but when called on intentional "inaccuracies" or downright deformation of character through editing, he plays up the, "Hey, it's just a movie, pal" shtick.

The truth is, most people are dummies. Dummies on the Left, dummies on the Right. When anybody takes advantage of that fact and distorts truth to advance an agenda and make some money, it is more than just presenting an opinion.

For the record, I think Moore's a talented guy and if I had no interest in politics and just liked the occasional controlled outrage, I'd probably dig his work. But people need to be honest about what Moore is, what he does and who he influences. Just as we do for Limbaugh, Beck or Maher.

I don't see how that's any different than what I explained. The guy presents an opinion, and it takes the intellectual prowess of a 4th grader to recognize that. I don't disagree that he shies away from that, but that really just means he's good at selling his opinion. I mean it would take an incredibly naive person to honestly believe that Michael Moore, or any of the others you've mentioned do what they do for any sort of noble cause. They're out to make money, end of story.

A large part of the problem is that people are willing to accept what is said or shown in popular media without question. To me, the blame for that falls more on the audience than on Moore, because in my view, a rational adult should be able to reason why they support something and realize that there are very few things today that are reported factually in the media, doesn't matter if it's Fox, CNN, CNBC, movies, documentaries, television, or radio. It's absolutely baffling to me that the phrase, "don't believe what you see on TV" has become so cliche, yet the vast majority of people are not in the least bit incredulous in regards to doing just that.

 

[emceeemcee]

Moore is anti-American and needs to leave America.

Indeed. Can't risk having dissenters running about spreading alternative views on things.



sieg heil!

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

NeoCons can't debunk presented by Michael Moore that's why they waste their breath questioning his patriotism and bemoaning his weight while ignoring the fact that Rush Limbaugh is truly a fat ass unpatriotic unamerican NeoCon blabbering pig who hates the U.S. constitution

Me:

I honestly believe you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and I should be more tolerant of you because of the lobotomy you received but I am going to be a little helpful. A Neocon is someone who formerly espoused liberal beliefs and only recently became a conservative. In the twenty-two years since I turned eighteen I have voted almost across the board for the most conservative candidates in any election. Dennis Miller would be a prime example of a neocon. I don't really consider him conservative but he's very entertaining and he makes his points very eloquently. I disagree with much of what he espouses but I listen and respect his candor.

You slap that label on someone without regard for their beliefs and it reinforces my belief that you are a helmet-wearing booger eater.

Go eat a snootfull.

 

[HELLRAISER]

Go eat a snootfull.

People don't allow yourself to be Neo-Conned by generic Conservatives pretending to be straight and genuine conservatives :

NEO-CONNED Transcript:
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm

NEO-CONNED Part 1-11:

 

[calpoon]

Hellraiser: Propagandist

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

Capitalism has many merits, unfettered capitalism in the last three years has none.