Matt Damon defends teachers.

PirateKing

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Poor sexy reporter girl. I'll bet she got a little teary after getting schooled. I should have been there to console her at her most vulnerable moment.

..With my penis.
 

Will E Worm

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Wasn't it Damon that was whining about Palin shooting a moose from a helicopter? Yeah, no one needs to be listening to him.

He's an actor and needs to stop trying to be a politician.



c'mon, the biggest part of the problem with the education system is not the teachers, its the students who are a product of their parent/s and society.

Indoctrination in schools. The schools and teachers are a huge part of the problems in society.
 
The problem with the profession is no one agrees on how to accurately quantify what a "good" teacher is.

Is it the teacher kids love and are friends with? The teacher that is strict and forces workloads on the students? Is it the teacher that offers help after class and gives you credit just for showing your work or attempting the assignment?

When I was in HS I had a history teacher that literally would read the newspaper all hour. He would assign us pages to read at home and during class in our history books and that was it.

Then we would test on it. We were teaching ourselves and he was a teacher that my mom, my brother, my aunt and uncles also had....

There just isn't a way to get rid of horrible teachers and encourage creativity from the good ones.

Like Matt Damon said "maybe you're a shitty cameraman" but both jobs iirc are protected by unions. Most people dont' belong to a union and if you suck you're fired fairly quickly.

An even greater problem is that even if we could come to a conclusion about what a "good" teacher is it is almost impossible to fairly judge a teacher based on it.

Lets just say we make the definition of a "good" teacher one that is "good at imparting the knowledge to their students that they need". So many factors go into how well that is accomplished both within and beyond the teachers control that it's almost impossible to judge a teachers performance in any standardized or fair fashion.

I would like to see a situation where teachers get compensated more for being good teachers and less or even fired for being bad teachers, but outside of absolutely blatantly obvious bad teachers I don't know how you do that in a way that's even remotely fair. Just off the top of my head the things I can think of that influence teacher and student performance

1. The skill of the teacher in teaching others.

2. The knowledge a teacher has in the subject they teach. (Which is not the same as number one because I've known teachers that had mediocre knowledge of their subject and taught well and people that were probably brilliant but sucked when it came to actually teaching others what they knew.)

3. The resources the teacher has.

4. The resources the school or place of learning has for people to use.

5. The willingness of the students to want to learn.

6. The class sizes teachers have to deal with.

7. The willingness of parents to want their children to learn and make sure they do and become involved in their education.

8. The ability for parents with all the other things going on in their life to make number 7 happen, especially when we live in a time where both parents more often than not have to work to support the family.

9. The socio-economic circumstances of the students which a huge factor and involves things like how much they have to work themselves or take care of other members of the family to make ends meat, what type of community they live in, how much violence they have to deal with in their lives, how much resources their parents have to help them learn, among a lot of other things.

Remember there is probably still a lot of things I'm not thinking of.

Still there's more to consider, like what would happen if a teacher just gets a below average group of students for a couple of years? What happens if people base pay of a teachers performance, and what would stop them from just tailoring their teaching to doing whatever is designed to raise standardized test performance instead of doing what teaches best, or just stop the teachers from cheating to make themselves look better at that?

Even if they didn't go the standardized route and we had panels of people judge the teacher's performance that were in the area then you come upon things like cronyism, internal politics, arbitrary decisions, and other things that make it almost as bad.

With the list of things I gave above most of those are not in the teachers' control, and there are decent or even very good teachers can have bad performing students for a wide variety of reasons. I can see getting rid of people that are just very blatantly bad at teaching, but for the most part I don't know how to even begin judging most teachers in a manner that's adequate. I don't know how we, as we are now, come to a point where we can differentiate substandard teachers and teachers that are acceptable at their jobs, but look worse than they really are due to circumstances outside of their control.

If anything I think how poorly we do at learning speaks more to the numerous flaws in our entire society than it does to the teachers we have.
 
An even greater problem is that even if we could come to a conclusion about what a "good" teacher is it is almost impossible to fairly judge a teacher based on it.

Lets just say we make the definition of a "good" teacher one that is "good at imparting the knowledge to their students that they need". So many factors go into how well that is accomplished both within and beyond the teachers control that it's almost impossible to judge a teachers performance in any standardized or fair fashion.

I would like to see a situation where teachers get compensated more for being good teachers and less or even fired for being bad teachers, but outside of absolutely blatantly obvious bad teachers I don't know how you do that in a way that's even remotely fair. Just off the top of my head the things I can think of that influence teacher and student performance

1. The skill of the teacher in teaching others.

2. The knowledge a teacher has in the subject they teach. (Which is not the same as number one because I've known teachers that had mediocre knowledge of their subject and taught well and people that were probably brilliant but sucked when it came to actually teaching others what they knew.)

3. The resources the teacher has.

4. The resources the school or place of learning has for people to use.

5. The willingness of the students to want to learn.

6. The class sizes teachers have to deal with.

7. The willingness of parents to want their children to learn and make sure they do and become involved in their education.

8. The ability for parents with all the other things going on in their life to make number 7 happen, especially when we live in a time where both parents more often than not have to work to support the family.

9. The socio-economic circumstances of the students which a huge factor and involves things like how much they have to work themselves or take care of other members of the family to make ends meat, what type of community they live in, how much violence they have to deal with in their lives, how much resources their parents have to help them learn, among a lot of other things.

Remember there is probably still a lot of things I'm not thinking of.

Still there's more to consider, like what would happen if a teacher just gets a below average group of students for a couple of years? What happens if people base pay of a teachers performance, and what would stop them from just tailoring their teaching to doing whatever is designed to raise standardized test performance instead of doing what teaches best, or just stop the teachers from cheating to make themselves look better at that?

Even if they didn't go the standardized route and we had panels of people judge the teacher's performance that were in the area then you come upon things like cronyism, internal politics, arbitrary decisions, and other things that make it almost as bad.

With the list of things I gave above most of those are not in the teachers' control, and there are decent or even very good teachers can have bad performing students for a wide variety of reasons. I can see getting rid of people that are just very blatantly bad at teaching, but for the most part I don't know how to even begin judging most teachers in a manner that's adequate. I don't know how we, as we are now, come to a point where we can differentiate substandard teachers and teachers that are acceptable at their jobs, but look worse than they really are due to circumstances outside of their control.

If anything I think how poorly we do at learning speaks more to the numerous flaws in our entire society than it does to the teachers we have.

The flaw in all this is "fair" no workplace has ever been fair.

As far as getting a batch of "bad" students that would likely be a rare occurrence and if student progress were accurately tracked there would still be a measured improvement in the hands of a capable teacher. Instead teachers are told to throw tests at kids.

The economics of the students themselves doesn't really relate to how much interest they can have in a subject or how much information they can retain. It says more about raw classroom supplies like books more than anything.

In poor cities with poor school systems they run out of the basics. But overall money doesn't dictate knowledge. If you learn math from hand made flashcards or professionally made top toy designer flashcards it's all the same math.

As far as Teacher's being blatantly bad ...that's one problem one teacher who is horrid teaches thousands and thousands of students in their career. It's a big deal and we don't even have a system to boot out the assholes who dont' need to be there. Teacher's arguments for higher wages would be stronger if they didn't have hangers on that are getting by on tenure.

As far as student willingness that doesn't matter. Teachers are motivators; so start motivating. Think of therapy for instance. Most people that should go eventually do and unwillingly or expecting a horrible experience. A good therapist makes sure they are better for having gone and are happy with the outcome.
 
her name is Michelle Fields

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Shame about her semi-evolved political views. Fortunately there's a future for her in porn

I'd love to see those lips of hers wrapped around a cock. She looks good for the position of porn star.
 
c'mon, the biggest part of the problem with the education system is not the teachers, its the students who are a product of their parent/s and society.
especially in the big cities and "minority" areas.
how the fuck can they teach these kids when they cant even get them to pay attention or shut their stupid mouths for 2 seconds.
and sooner or later most teachers will just say fuck it and just do the minimum they can and pass students no matter what.
Welcome to USA 2011.

And this is where "no kid left behind" has gone fricken wrong. First off we should not be judging ourselves against other country stabndards when it comes to testing. In china not all kids get into high school. So only the best and smartest in China are afforded a high school education. How could our test scores compete with thiers? They cant. Same goes with Japan and other countries around the world. Now yes someone will contradict me on some of these points and I might not be totally accurate, but in america we have one of the only school systems that help with the mentally and physically handicap people and we actually test them and mainstream them.
 

MILF Man

milf n' cookies
Damon lost all credibility with his 'maybe your a shitty cameraman' argument. Instead of having something intelligent to say about his opinion, he resulted to attack someone. People tend to react this way when (1) their just childish, and (2) they know their argument is flawed.
 
Damon lost all credibility with his 'maybe your a shitty cameraman' argument. Instead of having something intelligent to say about his opinion, he resulted to attack someone. People tend to react this way when (1) their just childish, and (2) they know their argument is flawed.

I'm not sure he lost all credibility. He certainly diminished the chances of what he was saying getting heard.

I think he took it as an insult that the reporter used him as an analogy and his work. I think that's sort of what spurred the cameraman comment. He was sort of doing what she had already done with him.
 
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