Manny Ramirez tests positive

[titsrock]

I disagree with that statement. Sure, it has implications in the steroid using community, but bottom line, it's not a steroid, and he didn't fail a test for steroids. Additionally, I don't think it's fair to assume what Manny thought when he took it, because both he and his doctor have said they didn't know the drug would fail a test or contained a banned substance. Until there is evidence to the contrary, it's just speculation to assume otherwise. Manny will probably do the same thing that J.C. Romero did and sue the doctor for essentially being negligent. I'm not sure what there is to say that Manny didn't legitimately use the stuff for ED.

Is your last name Ramirez? C'MON! This is PR FLUFF masquerading as reason. It is somewhat specious to assume that Manny would knowingly ingest something which would get flagged as a banned substance or that a doctor would prescribe him something that would get flagged. Granted, Manny's 'statement' leaves wide open a lawsuit for him to file against the doctor, but I think the doctor would probably defend himself using Manny's own health file against him.

I assume that MLB or the Player's Union has assembled an "ongoing" banned substances list and all Manny had to do was carry a copy of this list along with him to his doctor's office. Negligence isn't an acceptable defense, right?

Greinke may be an innocent athlete who just happens to be having a career-saving year. I am going overboard with cynicism, and I believe nothing about any MLB player anymore. The money is too great not to "walk the line" to land a whopper contract.

 

[lurkingdirk]

just an interesting article relaying the rage fans feel:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/fuck_rod_wondering_what

 

[shayd]

Is your last name Ramirez? C'MON! This is PR FLUFF masquerading as reason. It is somewhat specious to assume that Manny would knowingly ingest something which would get flagged as a banned substance or that a doctor would prescribe him something that would get flagged. Granted, Manny's 'statement' leaves wide open a lawsuit for him to file against the doctor, but I think the doctor would probably defend himself using Manny's own health file against him.

I assume that MLB or the Player's Union has assembled an "ongoing" banned substances list and all Manny had to do was carry a copy of this list along with him to his doctor's office. Negligence isn't an acceptable defense, right?

Greinke may be an innocent athlete who just happens to be having a career-saving year. I am going overboard with cynicism, and I believe nothing about any MLB player anymore. The money is too great not to "walk the line" to land a whopper contract.

Look, I'm not trying to defend Manny from the fact that he failed a test, but the fact is that he didn't test positive for steroids. It's sort of the same situation as Neifi Perez a few years ago, he failed a test, which was for amphetamines, and was lumped into the larger group of people who tested positive for "performance enhancing drugs", which is in the public eye translated into "steroids", when in reality he didn't test positive for them. Unfortunately, Manny is sort of in the same boat, because he didn't test positive for steroids, he just tested positive for something that among a select group of people is suspected to be used in conjunction with steroids.

As far as doctors go, it's actually not uncommon to find doctors who are completely unaware of drug policies among different leagues. In fact, that's the exact reason that there are a select group of doctors who are the most popular in sports, because they do know the policies. Most teams in fact don't like players going to see doctors outside of the team doctor at all.

I think your cynicism is in large part fair, to be honest, because in the end, baseball players have been dumb enough to keep this rediculousness going. But the problem is that the evidence is overwhelmingly opposed to any sort of accusation against Greinke.