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It's just that Gaston designed his pistols to fire under some of the most extreme conditions and in doing so he allocated for some extra room in the chamber to ensure that a filthy dirty or perhaps a gun dropped in the sand would function w/out fuss.
High pressure cartridges, namely the 10, .40 S & W and the .38 sig cartridge (it's no .357, that's for sure !
) can tend to kaBoom if loaded above SAMMI specs, particularly around that unsupported area where the glock feedramp blends into the chamber.I've shot thousands upon thousands of hand loaded once fired .40 S & W rounds out of a stock 35 & never had a problem w/ over pressure and I never expect a problem, you just don't hot rod these cartridges in a factory glock barrel if at all, it's not necessary, you'll just score lesser on your targets. :thumbsup:
This is hella interesting for those who like compare & contrast stuff...enjoy !
http://stevespages.com/page8f.htm
It's just that Gaston designed his pistols to fire under some of the most extreme conditions and in doing so he allocated for some extra room in the chamber to ensure that a filthy dirty or perhaps a gun dropped in the sand would function w/out fuss.
High pressure cartridges, namely the 10, .40 S & W and the .38 sig cartridge (it's no .357, that's for sure !
I've shot thousands upon thousands of hand loaded once fired .40 S & W rounds out of a stock 35 & never had a problem w/ over pressure and I never expect a problem, you just don't hot rod these cartridges in a factory glock barrel if at all, it's not necessary, you'll just score lesser on your targets. :thumbsup:
This is hella interesting for those who like compare & contrast stuff...enjoy !
http://stevespages.com/page8f.htm
.38 Sig? Ha, I like that.
Eh, I've been told that a million times, but the kB just ruined me on the Glock in 10mm. Just one of those stubborn things.
I thought about getting a G20 and putting in a full seated Bar-Sto barrel, but then I'm looking at an $800 gun. Maybe it'd be a good reason to get back into reloading though.
BTW, who's that in your avitar?
I shot with some glocks in the past but was desappointed of their poor ergonomics and their not enough smooth trigger. My favorite choices for 40s&w auto pistols are either les baer high capacity 40 with nineteen rounds http://www.lesbaer.com/HC40.html or para ord p16-40 http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=12 which are capable of 2 and half of an inch group at 50 yards.If you want really a fast and accurate pistol then a 1911 based pistol is the best. It is not without reason that people still shoot with 1911s. The only 10 mm auto which was worth shooting in the past was the bren ten, perhaps a 1911 pistol in 10mm auto with a high cap mag can be made perhaps if you order the correct parts at caspian and have it assembled by a professional gunsmith, you can have a hell of a 10mm auto.
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Bar Sto is superb and Irv Jr. runs a tight ship lol ! I can only speak for his "Govt" barrels, twice having shipping Kimber slides down to them for barrel / barrel bushing hand fitting :bowdown: :thumbsup:
As far a Glock aftermarket barrels go, "I've heard" great things about Lone Wolf Dist. drop in Glock barrel kits, FWIW.
These barrels offer closer tolerance cut chambers translating to more support of the lower case head (chamber feedramp "kABoom" area) for those of us who don't plan on rolling around on a sandy beach with our Glocks
, or for those who wish to handload some of these aforementioned higher pressure cartridges with peace of mind :hatsoff:Another good thing about these L.W. replacement barrels (there are other brands as well) is that you can shoot lead in your Glock, a :nono: in stock barrels.
I haven't shot the Glock in ages .... I'm still happily wed to the 1911 config :lovecoupl:
10 mm is really overrated, neat, but overrated, IMO. I'd just as soon have a .40 S&W. 10mm only offers the shooter more recoil .... and for what ?
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I despise with every fiber of my being those who unlawfully and / or irresponsibly use firearms. Those loyal to the tenets of the Second Amendment, at least the thousands that I have met, are the most conscientious, responsible, law biding, most judicious citizens out there, they can have my back anytime.
It's the few clueless thugger wannabes with stolen guns that are the one's that seem to black label the right to bear arms.
Bar Sto is superb and Irv Jr. runs a tight ship lol ! I can only speak for his "Govt" barrels, twice having shipping Kimber slides down to them for barrel / barrel bushing hand fitting :bowdown: :thumbsup:
As far a Glock aftermarket barrels go, "I've heard" great things about Lone Wolf Dist. drop in Glock barrel kits, FWIW.
These barrels offer closer tolerance cut chambers translating to more support of the lower case head (chamber feedramp "kABoom" area) for those of us who don't plan on rolling around on a sandy beach with our Glocks
Another good thing about these L.W. replacement barrels (there are other brands as well) is that you can shoot lead in your Glock, a :nono: in stock barrels.
I haven't shot the Glock in ages .... I'm still happily wed to the 1911 config :lovecoupl:
10 mm is really overrated, neat, but overrated, IMO. I'd just as soon have a .40 S&W. 10mm only offers the shooter more recoil .... and for what ?
Not a bad idea. I keep my G17 OEM save for the Trjicons, but I have a threaded LWD G17 barrel for my GemTech Tundra. I haven't reloaded in years and my local range is an indoor range, so I don't shoot non-jacketed lead, but it's still a nice perk. I just thought of Bar-Sto because they're damn popular with the guys I shoot Three Gun with.
I dunno, I still love shooting my Glocks. A 2nd Gen G17 was my first handgun, so I never had a problem with ergonomics. And a G20 would just be a fun new toy.
One of the funniest things, to me anyway, is bringing a new Glock home only to see my girl look at it and ask, "Don't you already have some of those?"
Or explaining why a new AR or AK is absolutely necessary.I love when people claim the streets will turn into the Wild West due to CCW holders. Getting my CCW was one of the most sobering things in my entire life. Lawfully owning and carrying a gun adds a new level of responsibility that you actually feel.
It's a really sad fact that thugs and "gangstas" have turned guns and shooting into some nefarious thing for so many. But I do understand and respect people like gotham123. People who can despise guns, but not insist their own personal opinions on others.
Have you tried any Para's in .45? I've read a few horror stories that they're no good, then I've heard others saying that they're really good, so where would you stand on Para's .45's? Just asking 'cause I'm considering one. I'd go for a Kimber but I'd like a high capacity .45.
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Smart for the day, God forbid, you have to employ it in self defense. The prosecutors love to pick apart any "custom" or aftermarket feature of a gun used in shootings (later to be determined as a justifiable shooting or otherwise) in order to advance their case.... but you knew that. :hatsoff:
back to the M4 - One day after I get better informed on the atrocious California laws, I'll
have to build me a unit, that is... if it's not too late :eek:... till then, I'll be boat anchoring it w/ me M1As & heavy chunkin barrel W70s & R700s.
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^ ^ I'd definitely get my paw around one and shot it if at all possible before committing to a purchase. Buyers remorse is an expensive endeavor with "toys". :o
I can almost palm a basketball and I still prefer the grip of a single stack .45 over the wider Para frame variant... but hey, to each their own.
I can almost palm a basketball and I still prefer the grip of a single stack .45 over the wider Para frame variant... but hey, to each their own.
I have shot several para ord p13-45 and p14-45 when I was in USA and in Germany but also in France. I like their crisp trigger and their outstanding accuracy. The post 2001 made para ord have the power extractor which allows a better extraction of cartridges. Check the para ord reviews, you may find some interesting articles about these guns
http://www.para-usa.com/new/newsandreviews.php
and also seeing their particularities
http://www.para-usa.com/new/whypara.php
I would rather rely on a para than on a kimber. The kimber doesn't have a powe extractor and has a small magazine capacity.
I have encountered many law enforcement people who prefer to shoot with para ord than with glocks. With proper night sights or tru glo combat sights as well as an adjusted to have a perfect balanced trigger pull, you can hardly beat a para. I have even shot corbon 230gr + p 45 acp ammo in the 45acp para and there were no problems. Try shooting 45 acp + p ammo in a glock or in another pistol not sure, you will not have problems. My problem with glock is their strike fire safety, their trigger and their unability to shoot very heavy pressured loads.
I am an old school guy, that is why I always prefer an all metal gun to a polymer gun.
Well thanx for the leg work guys, very interesting & I appreciate the info. I had a feeling the 44 mag was a heavier shot.
But my real questions are mainly concerning the 10mm & its comparison to the .45, is the 10mm superior caliber, more powerful, more lethal, & overall deadlier than the .45?
To be honest if I wasn't getting a ".40 cal g22 for $330.00" as of lastnights findings I would be seeking either a 10mm or a .45 instead of the .40 cal. but the deal for those glocks is too good to pass up. & really now that I think of it makes me less interested in my Taurus which I have now. :eek:
I have the Taurus 24/7 pro DS. but shooting the taurus compared to the glock is like renting a ford focus instead of taking the caddilac when they're being offered for the same rate.
The glock is allot more fun, I love the trigger feel opposed to that of the taurus. :yesyes:
So now my plans are to buy the glock 22 for the good price, then like immediately replace the .40 cal taurus, by trading for a 10mm pistol.
but the question is do I go with glock again? is that trigger the key to happy shooting? will I find that all other DAO pistols will be no fun shooting compared to the glock style trigger? which I LOVE shooting?
Until I read the ballistics figures for the 10mm yesterday I was led to believe the .40 cal was the equivlent of the 10mm according to the FBI. Now I read that the impact power of the 10mm is far greater than both the .40 & .45 cal.
p.s. I know 10mm ammo will be just as hard if not harder than .45 to keep in stock & more expensive price wise. but for self defense. does it get any better than the 10mm? :dunno:
The 10 mm auto is much more violent in recoil than a 45 acp. The bren ten was a high cap pistol made in the 80's for this cartridge. It was an accurate gun but built in small numbers. The 44 magnum is interesting onmy if you shoot it from a revolver with a 6 barrel like the model 29 from s&w. S&W also produced the 1006 and the 1076 10mm auto pistols
http://www.gun-review.com/reviews/ratingDisplay.php?reviewId=364&cat=1
http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id55.html
Now it is a pricy and an aftersought gun.
That's what I keep telling people who insist on carrying the Taurus Judge. A) I don't think .410 is a suitable defense round, B) I can see some anti-gun DA telling a jury that the defendant carried and used a "shotgun". Most people are already clueless about guns, but when you tell them about concealable "shotguns" or Glocks with "hair triggers", emotion and ignorance take over.
As for the M4/AR, I believe that Cali requires either the use of a non-pistol grip butt stock like the gun on the right http://lee.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ar-15-2.jpg
Or, I think think there was a Cali-OK AR lower that had a fixed ten round mag, requiring you to pop the pivot pin and flip the upper over to feed it via stripper clip (like a very inconvenient SKS)
http://blog.riflegear.com/articles/building-a-california--legal-ar-15-rifle.aspx
That's what I keep telling people who insist on carrying the Taurus Judge. A) I don't think .410 is a suitable defense round, B) I can see some anti-gun DA telling a jury that the defendant carried and used a "shotgun". Most people are already clueless about guns, but when you tell them about concealable "shotguns" or Glocks with "hair triggers", emotion and ignorance take over.
As for the M4/AR, I believe that Cali requires either the use of a non-pistol grip butt stock like the gun on the right http://lee.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ar-15-2.jpg
Or, I think think there was a Cali-OK AR lower that had a fixed ten round mag, requiring you to pop the takedown pin and flip the upper over to feed it via stripper clip (like a very inconvenient SKS)
http://blog.riflegear.com/articles/building-a-california--legal-ar-15-rifle.aspx
If I wanted a 5.56 in Cali,I'd just get an SU-16 and be done with it.
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I see tons of em M4s & AR 10s around at ranges here with the standard (for lack of a better term) pistol grip but I cannot say whether they're pre ban units or otherwise :dunno:
I am aware of that ''greater than ten round'' magazine bullshit and I don't even want to talk about it, these freaking clueless louts in Sacatomatoes (Sacramento) just infuriate me, if only they would get a clue. :hammer:
I'm not holding my breath. ~
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I am aware of that ''greater than ten round'' magazine bullshit and I don't even want to talk about it, these freaking clueless louts in Sacatomatoes (Sacramento) just infuriate me, if only they would get a clue. :hammer:
I'm not holding my breath. ~
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Don't forget, Colt produced a 10mm on the 1911 frame, called the "Delta Elite". I don't recall how many rounds it held, but I do recall the excessive pressures of the 10mm round, caused the slide stops to start cracking. I can't recall if there were any deaths, but I believe a few people did get hurt, when the slide came back to cycle a round, and blew back off of the frame. I wouldn't mind having a 10mm, but the only one I really would like, is the S&W revolver, that will chamber 10mm, and .40cal.
I don't know to many people that are scared by an inanimate object....maybe you should think about respecting them, instead of fearing them. A gun by itself, is no more dangerous then a wrench in your tool box. It takes a human being to use it for evil.gotham123 said:
I had to send my Combat Commander to a gun smith for just this reason. It needed to be put back to stock, so I can carry it.Facetious said:
I see tons of em M4s & AR 10s around at ranges here with the standard (for lack of a better term) pistol grip but I cannot say whether they're pre ban units or otherwise :dunno:
I am aware of that ''greater than ten round'' magazine bullshit and I don't even want to talk about it, these freaking clueless louts in Sacatomatoes (Sacramento) just infuriate me, if only they would get a clue. :hammer:
I'm not holding my breath. ~
Nibble - nibble ... a little here, a little there, eventually they will eviscerate the
Second Amendment
To be honest, I have no idea if grandfathered Cali "assault weapons" can be transfered. All I know is that nobody with a brain will ship pre-ban mags or parts to Cali. Or post-ban parts for pre-ban receivers. Barrett won't ever service pre-ban Cali guns.
I hope that gun control won't be the next issue from Democrats if their health care bill fails, but Schumer's certainly exploiting the Ft. Hood shootings to pave the path. Boxer and Fienstein both said that another AW ban will come up when the timing is right, so Washington might soon make Sacramento look like the norm. I have friends who work at MagPul and they've been shitting bricks since last November. That's one of the reasons the Masada got sold off.
