Legality of abortion VS homicide?

[Alyssa Rose]

I'm watching Solved on Netflix and I learned that if a woman is pregnant (even only 4 weeks) and she is ********, the person who ******** her can be tried for a double homicide... So if ******** by someone other than the ******, a fetus has human rights.. But if the ****** wants to **** the fetus that's legal? I'm not expressing my opinion on abortion I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of our laws..

Why in one scenario the fetus is given human rights but in the other scenario the fetus isn't seen as a human?

 

[Petra]

All ****** is homicide, but not all homicide is ******.

This is the definition of ****** in Blacks Law Dictionary which is pretty much what everyone uses in the legal field. Mind, it can vary state to state:

The crime committed where a person of sound mind and discretion (that is, of sufficient age to form and execute a criminal design and not legally “insane”) ***** any human creature in being (excluding quick but unborn ********) and in the peace of the state or nation (including all persons except the military ****** of the public enemy in time of war or battle) without any warrant, justification, or excuse in law. with malice aforethought, express or implied, that is, with a deliberate purpose or a design or determination distinctly formed in the mind before the commission of the act, provided that death results from the injury Inflicted within one year and a day after its infliction.

Abortion lacks 'without any warrant, justification, or excuse in law' because there IS and excuse in law for it. However, technically, abortion is a homicide since it is the ******* of a human creature. But it's simply legal homicide because there is an excuse in law for it.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

To send a clear message to criminals. Act like a fucktard, and screw with people, and will fuck you twice. This way they seem more horrendous to juries, and it's easier to get them in the electric chair. I actually like it. Any scum bag that would **** a pregnant woman, needs *******.

 

[Mayhem]

Well first of all, welcome Nikki to the Politics Forum where it's usually only men posting about abortion (and everything else). Please feel free to keep coming back and if you manage to entice other women to join us, I for one will be glad to shut up entirely about abortion, as all men should.

Let me add this conundrum: Why, in a country where we make such a big deal about the fetus, do we have laws allowing us to execute ********? Why do we have laws allowing us to execute anyone?

 

[Sam Fisher]

Why, in a country where we make such a big deal about the fetus, do we have laws allowing us to execute ********? Why do we have laws allowing us to execute anyone?

You're an idiot to even pose this question. Seriously. WTF is wrong you?

Get caught speeding? Pay the fine.
Get caught embezzling money? Go to prison.
Get caught ******* someone with First Degree ******? Your life should be taken. Simple as that.

 

[STDiva]

You're an idiot to even pose this question. Seriously. WTF is wrong you?

Get caught speeding? Pay the fine.
Get caught embezzling money? Go to prison.
Get caught ******* someone with First Degree ******? Your life should be taken. Simple as that.

What/who is that in your avatar? It/he is frightening. He looks like some genetic mutation between an inmate and a toad.

Anyway, woo ya abortion!

 

[Alyssa Rose]

All ****** is homicide, but not all homicide is ******.

This is the definition of ****** in Blacks Law Dictionary which is pretty much what everyone uses in the legal field. Mind, it can vary state to state:



Abortion lacks 'without any warrant, justification, or excuse in law' because there IS and excuse in law for it. However, technically, abortion is a homicide since it is the ******* of a human creature. But it's simply legal homicide because there is an excuse in law for it.

I guess our law system is just full of fine lines willing to be crossed.

Well first of all, welcome Nikki to the Politics Forum where it's usually only men posting about abortion (and everything else). Please feel free to keep coming back and if you manage to entice other women to join us, I for one will be glad to shut up entirely about abortion, as all men should.

Let me add this conundrum: Why, in a country where we make such a big deal about the fetus, do we have laws allowing us to execute ********? Why do we have laws allowing us to execute anyone?

Thanks mayhem! And to answer your questions I'm not sure? I think execution is fair if the crime is right. What I don't think is fair is making someone sit on "Death Row" for 15 or so years before they're actually executed.. If you've sentenced them to death, **** them. I also think we should hang people like in the old days because then we could use their organs still. ********* took someone's life, why not have their death brig the opportunity to save someone else's?



I watched this video about late term abortions and how 7/10 of the fetuses are born alive therefor giving them human rights but the abortion clinics leave them in a pan until they die. I think that is disgusting.

 

[Mayhem]

You're an idiot to even pose this question. Seriously. WTF is wrong you?

Get caught speeding? Pay the fine.
Get caught embezzling money? Go to prison.
Get caught ******* someone with First Degree ******? Your life should be taken. Simple as that.

Aren't you the same sackless little bitch who always whines and cries about people disagreeing with you and how they do it?

And you didn't answer the question. Ask the guy in your avatar. He's much smarter than you.

 

[PlumpRump]

...I watched this video about late term abortions and how 7/10 of the fetuses are born alive therefor giving them human rights but the abortion clinics leave them in a pan until they die. I think that is disgusting.

Guess who voted against the Born-Alive ******* Protection Act? He did so multiple times, including an IL Senate floor debate wherein he argued that while babies might be aborted alive, it would be a “burden” to a ******’s “original decision” to assess and treat them, essentially condoning the legitimacy of ******* babies who were born-alive, despite the attempts to abort them. Supporting abortion of the living. Absolutely sickening.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Abortion thread...?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Let me add this conundrum: Why, in a country where we make such a big deal about the fetus, do we have laws allowing us to execute ********? Why do we have laws allowing us to execute anyone?

The first part of this is obvious...the religious right, that believe what they believe, and their ability to influence politics by electing, donating, and funding whomever they believe will push their agenda. One day the muslims will figure it out, and stop blowing **** up, and start buying, and electing politicians.

I would like to see proof of an execution of an inmate under the age of 18. As far as executing anyone at all.....compensation, revenge? It doesn't really matter which. It's proven it doesn't deter crime, but if someone ****** one of my loved ones, I would want that revenge...I would be there to watch them die...I would enjoy it almost as much as being able to put a bullet in their head myself. The funny thing is, the only thing that would deter me from doing it myself...is knowing I would get sentenced to death.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Any scum bag that would **** a pregnant woman, needs *******.

Yes, yes and a thousand times y-muthafukkin-es!

I think pregnant women should be given special considerations in life (I know I always volounteer to help pregnant women at work by doing certain tasks for them).
I also think the should get a minimum 12 months maternity leave the moment they get knocked up (incidently there's none in america. The world's "richest" country, "land of the brave and home of the free", puts profit of the mega-corporations before the future of it's ******** (by proxy it's own future) - there is no maternity leave in america.

 

[dp93]

******* anybody who's not an offender is immoral

******* a cow that supplies you milk to please your tongue is immoral

******* a half born baby is immoral

******* a ******, thief, ******** because of self defense is self defense

 

[averageJoe]

Yeah, why is it ****** if someone ELSE ***** the baby other than the ******. Abortion should be ******. And unlike someone else says, it has NOTHING to do with religion. I am agnostic. I just believe all life is sacred. You never know. One of those millions of aborted babies could have been the genius that invented time travel, or even the cure for cancer.

 

[Johan]

I'm watching Solved on Netflix and I learned that if a woman is pregnant (even only 4 weeks) and she is ********, the person who ******** her can be tried for a double homicide... So if ******** by someone other than the ******, a fetus has human rights.. But if the ****** wants to **** the fetus that's legal? I'm not expressing my opinion on abortion I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of our laws..

Why in one scenario the fetus is given human rights but in the other scenario the fetus isn't seen as a human?

Because the law is fucked up.
Aborton should be legal until the 12th week and only after that ********* the ****** should be considered as also ********* the fetus.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Because the law is fucked up.
Aborton should be legal until the 12th week and only after that ********* the ****** should be considered as also ********* the fetus.

Okay Hitler, then according to your belief, it's only a "baby" once it hit's the 12th week?

Think again...

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Okay Hitler, then according to your belief, it's only a "baby" once it hit's the 12th week?

Think again...

OK Hitler????? WTF!!

 

[Rattrap]

Because the law is fucked up.
Aborton should be legal until the 12th week and only after that ********* the ****** should be considered as also ********* the fetus.

I think a time frame is ultimately where this debate will - and should - go. 'Life begins at conception' isn't pragmatic or reasonable. An abortion at eight months is inhumane and, in my opinion, irresponsible (emergencies naturally notwithstanding) - though I stand resolutely by my position that if it isn't my body, it isn't my choice.

There is a point where an abortion is no more loss of life than a hair cut or nail clippings. There is a point where a fetus has a fully-functioning nervous system and is capable of feeling pain, one that could - and this is important for me - possibly survive outside its ****** at that time. There's a line somewhere in between.

I just believe all life is sacred.

I take it you're vegan?

You never know. One of those millions of aborted babies could have been the genius that invented time travel, or even the cure for cancer.

One could also be the unwanted, unsupported ****-addict who shoots you in the street for some crack money (statistically much more likely). It's a completely useless exercise to play the 'what if' here.

 

[Johan]

Okay Hitler

 

[Sam Fisher]

And he responds with a Meme.