Mayhem
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You're taking a very one-sided view on why the Civil War was fought.
It's **** like this that causes me to despise and loath Liberals.
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You're taking a very one-sided view on why the Civil War was fought.
Yes, the correct side. That's why I said "especially knowing what you know now". I understand that the war wasn't purely about slavery (by a long shot). But anybody who even now thinks that the south was in the right is a fool. Back then, people weren't educated. Lots of them fought for the south because that's where they were born, and they didn't know any other way of life. They were born into lives where their families owned, bought and sold slaves. They hadn't ever felt what it was like to be owned and had no reason to imagine it. Today, (most) people are educated (not necessarily smart). They know that all men are created equal, and that no one should literally belong to another person. Is it right for a modern day German to say "Yes, I'd have fought alongside Hitler to exterminate the Jews, but at the end of day we'd all shake hands and everything would be fine?" No. When basic human rights are in question, there are two sides: Right and Wrong. Other things are obviously in play in any conflict, but to ignore one side's policy of genocide, slavery or any other human atrocity because you think they're right about other stuff is inexcusable in my view.
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The irony of Will's contemptible post, sadly, is completely lost on him.
Living in Texas, I see that perspective expressed quite frequently. My reply is always the same, tell that to the slaves.
Sam, if you want to see a list of things that could make any normal person despise and loathe teabagger conservatives, one might just peruse your started threads history. Just sayin', my friend.
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We could at least deport them. Some of the worse ones would be executed.
:nono: The Confederacy was for freedom and state's rights. Not about slavery.
The wrong side.
:dotdot: Not at all.
State's Right to have slaves. So yes, it was about slavery.
Preamble of the US Declaration of Independance
So, unless you think black people aren't even human beings, slavery should never have been authorised in the US and the XIIIth Amendment shouldn't have been necessary to clarify what Thomas Jefferson wanted for his country.
So, you think this is what every single, uh.. "liberal" thinks and would do?
Sam Fisher
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States Rights!
Sam Fisher
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As so many in here played the STATE'S RIGHTS (card) comment in my other thread concerning California's toughest *** laws, I can see the hypocritical ways you LIBERALS tend to flip flop when it comes to issues you don't agree with, yet favor the things you do agree with - *** control for example.
Hypocrites the lot of you!
Hypocrites the lot of you!
Sam Fisher
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Seeing how I never said ALL liberals, let me refresh your memory of what I actually said. "It's **** like this that causes me to despise and loath Liberals."
You need to reconsider how you use the term liberal. Using it as you do makes you look as foolish as Will.
Mayhem
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Again, you're so confused that you can't see your own hypocrisy while you accuse others of it.
Sam Fisher
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You know what? I'm pretty much sick and tired of you telling me how I shouldn't "do this" or "say that" because it makes me look foolish. I've also noticed you have no problem voicing your beliefs. And, I don't see anyone asking you or telling you to choose better words so that you don't look foolish.
Like I give a fuck what liberals think of me, and or the comments I make. You and the others certainly don't concern yourself wondering what I will think regarding what you believe and post.
You should know by now that I don't cotton to Political Correctness.
Mayhem
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In other words Dirk, Sammy doesn't need your help to look foolish.
Sam Fisher
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You're an idiot. I do believe in States Rights. Just because I don't like a particular Law that was ****** in any given state doesn't make me anti- States Rights. I simply voiced my opinion on California's bullshit, comical and overbearing law.
They certainly have that RIGHT as a state. That's great. I simply don't agree with their "new *** laws." I never said they DON'T have the right to pass laws.
You're real good about twisting **** around. Knock it off!
Mayhem
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But the title of your thread doesn't address State's Rights. It addresses Liberals. You keep going on and on about these things, but you have yet to make a consistent point. According to you Liberals don't want State's Rights, yet when they exercise them you're pissed about it, you're pissed about the Governor of Massachusetts exercising his state's rights, but you're all for State's Rights, but not when California exercises theirs, but let's not be fooled, Sammy is all for State's Rights.
And in the midst of all this, you just got done telling Dirk not to admonish you for what you post, but you're telling me to "knock it off".
We all live with the hope, Sammy, that one day you'll realize that being a jackass is much harder work than not being a jackass.
Sam Fisher
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Show me ANYWHERE in those threads where I said the State does not have the right to pass those laws.
Show me ANYWHERE in those threads where I said I do not believe in States Rights.
I may not like the laws that they enacted, and I surely voiced my opinion on the laws they did enact. But, I NEVER said States Rights was wrong.
If you look at the topics: "No Surprises Here... Cock Suckers!"
Meaning: my reaction and anger at the *** laws they enacted
And this one: "It's **** like this that causes me to despise and loath Liberals."
Meaning: The liberals and politically correct (nanny state) once again have to concern themselves with someone's supposedly "hurt feelings" regarding something that happened 150 years ago.
Show me ANYWHERE in those threads where I said I do not believe in States Rights.
I may not like the laws that they enacted, and I surely voiced my opinion on the laws they did enact. But, I NEVER said States Rights was wrong.
If you look at the topics: "No Surprises Here... Cock Suckers!"
Meaning: my reaction and anger at the *** laws they enacted
And this one: "It's **** like this that causes me to despise and loath Liberals."
Meaning: The liberals and politically correct (nanny state) once again have to concern themselves with someone's supposedly "hurt feelings" regarding something that happened 150 years ago.
Human Rights!
Congratulations, you managed to turn the act of accusing others of being hypocrites into a fun new way of admitting that you, yourself are indeed a hypocrite.
Perhaps when it comes to using the term "liberal", Sam's just a little too..........liberal.
I don't see what that has to do with anything. The discussion was about the American Civil War and why it was fought. Slavery is not okay anywhere, or at any point in time, but we were talking about the figurehead of the pro-slavery side in the Civil War.
Mayhem
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If we're going to eliminate all figureheads that had anything to do with slavery, let's abolish the entire Roman Empire from history. Greek Empire, Persian Empire, any and all Indian tribes (and those who led them) who took slaves, should all be stripped of mention. Let's disavow the existence of the Aztecs and Incas because they had slaves and practiced human sacrifice.
It's evolution. You don't learn anything unless you learn from something. Colonial America merely used the same economic model that had been used everywhere else since the beginning of "civilization".
Once again, we were discussing the American Civil War. I understand that slavery has happened all over the world throughout the ages. No where in my statements did I give any of the people in the slave trade throughout the ages a free pass. To your other point, no one's trying to ignore the existence of any of those people. They're not going to be erased from the history books by any stretch of the imagination. Taking a name of the man who led the south in their efforts to maintain their slaves and secede from the rest of the country off a public park will do neither of those things.
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