Is 'Paki' Really A Racist Word?
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tartanterrier
Is somewhere outhere.
I guess it depends on who you say it to,and how they take it whether it's
for bad of good.
But I don't use it myself as it got into trouble a couple of times when I was
a kid :1orglaugh
for bad of good.
But I don't use it myself as it got into trouble a couple of times when I was
a kid :1orglaugh
PlasmaTwa2
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Now, I live in Canada, and I have never even heard this term before. Where does your friend live? I could see this being considered racist in cities like Toronto, with the huge international population, though in most of the country we won't even know what it means.
Well, judging from the perspective of things in my neck of the woods, and from a British anthropology teacher that I had in college, Paki is more of a slang abbreviation than a derogatory remark. Of course, I've never actually been to England, so I don't know what the deal is there.
Ah! It may belong in the other thread, but it was posted as an open-ended question to the general membership of the board, which is why I answered what I answered earlier. If it would've been asked on that British thread, I would've just kept my big mouth shut. However, since the original question didn't specify that you had to be of a certain nationality to answer this one, I posted my answer to the best of my knowledge. I'm not saying that I'm gonna go to the UK and start calling people Paki left and right, I'm just saying that where I live it's not derogatory. I'm not questioning you on what is racist and what isn't racist in the UK.
I think that Europeans calling everyone east of them Asian is kind of fucked up in it's own way. lumping people that are Indian, Arabs, Jewish, Russian and Slavic, Mongolians, and pacific islanders, and people of the orient, all together in one group seems wrong to me.
Obviously they all have distinct societies and cultures, as do Europeans, but all those people I named are separate ethnic groups, unlike Europeans that share a familiar history and so can more accurately be called one ethnic group -European. Which is not the case with "Asians".
Obviously they all have distinct societies and cultures, as do Europeans, but all those people I named are separate ethnic groups, unlike Europeans that share a familiar history and so can more accurately be called one ethnic group -European. Which is not the case with "Asians".
(Hindus aren't a race, they are a religion, also muslim).that is an outdated and inaccurate categorization, and it's probably pretty racist too when you get down to it, since it was invented by "Europeans".
As I've said before the "real" continents are America, Eurasfrica, Antarctica and Australia.
If you really want to get down to it there is only one continent as the earth is one single land mass that is mostly underwater.
So the way I see it that is just laziness. If you don't want to take the time to learn about someone's culture and ethnic group, let alone get to know them as just a human being, and you want to be able to lump them into category A B or C, then You Might as well just take the shortcut and call an "asian" a "paki". And that is actually less of a generalization, even if it is derogatory.:2 cents:
so what should you call someone if you don't know where they are from? How about Sir or Miss. Or even better how about Friend.
I'm not "picking on" you, Fox. Just trying to offer a different POV, to try and think outside the box, so to speak.
You know that I almost never "attack" people. I'll attack, or more like just sensibly argue, against Ideas. Even the people that I pretty much exclusively disagree with on this board I would invite over to my house for tea and we could talk about our views, or not.
It seems to be a misunderstanding, because the people that I like most on this board are always saying, "why are you picking apart what I am saying, and not other people?" But that's a compliment, it means that I want to talk to you and what you said made me think about things.
To really get down to the point, it may not be racist, but it kind of is, because it's one group of people that have manipulated language and thus manipulated perception so that everyone sees (or is expected to see) things their way and to think that there is no other way.
If you asked someone what is America? you would get many different answers depending on who you ask, and they all would be right. Some would say, it is a continent divided into North and South. Some would say that it's the USA. some would say that it's the land of their ancestors and the 500 nations. some would say that it's a place between the sky and the earth.
same goes for everywhere and everyone.
You know that I almost never "attack" people. I'll attack, or more like just sensibly argue, against Ideas. Even the people that I pretty much exclusively disagree with on this board I would invite over to my house for tea and we could talk about our views, or not.
It seems to be a misunderstanding, because the people that I like most on this board are always saying, "why are you picking apart what I am saying, and not other people?" But that's a compliment, it means that I want to talk to you and what you said made me think about things.
To really get down to the point, it may not be racist, but it kind of is, because it's one group of people that have manipulated language and thus manipulated perception so that everyone sees (or is expected to see) things their way and to think that there is no other way.
If you asked someone what is America? you would get many different answers depending on who you ask, and they all would be right. Some would say, it is a continent divided into North and South. Some would say that it's the USA. some would say that it's the land of their ancestors and the 500 nations. some would say that it's a place between the sky and the earth.
same goes for everywhere and everyone.
It's simple really ...
Golden Rule always applies.
I never say "***" and always "Japanese."
I never say "Jew" and always say "Jewish" or never "Jews" but "people of Jewish faith."
In reality, I just avoid labels unless prompted.
I'd rather hear someone say it themselves (of their creed, culture, etc...) before I assume what it is.
With that said, as much as Fox loves to argue, I've never heard anyone here call him a "stupid *******" or similar.
At the same time, he has regularly called people racists, when sometimes it was just a political statement directed at a specific individual (whether I agree or not).
That says something about the attitude of the board in general, as well as people in general.
Most don't make "big deals" out of anything, either causing or accusing.
I really don't like people who "champion" alleged others, as most others can speak for themselves.
If you're going to "champion" any creed, culture, etc... when it's not your own, wait for them to do it for themselves first.
And even then consider your reservations in not holding the same history and civic creed, culture, etc...
Golden Rule always applies.
I never say "***
I never say "Jew" and always say "Jewish" or never "Jews" but "people of Jewish faith."
In reality, I just avoid labels unless prompted.
I'd rather hear someone say it themselves (of their creed, culture, etc...) before I assume what it is.
With that said, as much as Fox loves to argue, I've never heard anyone here call him a "stupid *******" or similar.
At the same time, he has regularly called people racists, when sometimes it was just a political statement directed at a specific individual (whether I agree or not).
That says something about the attitude of the board in general, as well as people in general.
Most don't make "big deals" out of anything, either causing or accusing.
I really don't like people who "champion" alleged others, as most others can speak for themselves.
If you're going to "champion" any creed, culture, etc... when it's not your own, wait for them to do it for themselves first.
And even then consider your reservations in not holding the same history and civic creed, culture, etc...
dick van cock
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:sing: The politically correct are the Nazis of our time/
If it's freedom of ideas which makes man civilized :sing:
There are no bad words. There are only bad intentions. :2 cents:
If it's freedom of ideas which makes man civilized :sing:
There are no bad words. There are only bad intentions. :2 cents:
He lived in the North East of Toronto now he lives in Alberta.
Facetious
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"Gringo" isn't racist ? Derogatory at least ? :dunno:
dick van cock
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Do you consider Patti Smith a racist for writing "Rock 'n' Roll N***"?
That song ingenously ridicules the sensitivities surrounding the "N-word".
... what about "Liberal"? When I use it, it's a compliment; when Georges uses it, it's an insult...
N*** and Paki are not words --- they are lemma!
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