Is Obama Morphing Into Bush?

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Interesting comparative perspective on the two:

Obama's decisions edge toward those of Bush

By Steven Thomma • McClatchy Newspapers STLtoday.com

WASHINGTON • He ran as the anti-Bush.

Silver-tongued, not tongue-tied. A team player on the world stage, not a lone cowboy. A man who'd put a stop to reckless Bush policies at home and abroad. In short, Barack Obama represented change.

Well, that was then. Now, on one major policy after another, President Barack Obama seems to be morphing into President George W. Bush. From tax policy to terrorism, the national debt to use of the armed forces, Obama has repeatedly made policy decisions that differ greatly from his campaign rhetoric.

Big differences remain between Obama and Bush, to be sure. His two nominees to the Supreme Court differ vastly from Bush's picks. Obama does want to end the tax cuts for the wealthy. He also pushed through a massive overhaul of the nation's health insurance system.

But some of the differences between the two presidents are measured in gray, not black and white as once seemed the case.

Debt • In 2006, Bush had cut taxes, gone to war and expanded Medicare, and increased the national debt to $8.2 trillion from $5.6 trillion. He needed approval from Congress to raise the ceiling for debt to $9 trillion.

The Senate approved the increase by a narrow vote of 52-48.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., voted no, saying: "Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership."

Now, though the national debt has increased to $14 trillion, Obama needs Congress to approve more debt.

What about Obama's own vote against the president in a similar situation? A mistake, the White House said.

Taxes • As a senator and presidential candidate, Obama opposed extending the Bush tax cuts on household incomes greater than $250,000 a year past their expiration on Dec. 31, 2009.

In 2007, he said he was for "rolling back the Bush tax cuts on the top 1 percent of people, who don't need it." In a 2008 ad, he said, "Instead of extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest, I'll focus on you."

But when the issue of extending the Bush tax cuts came to a head last December, Obama went along with Republican demands to extend all the tax cuts, not just those on incomes below $250,000. His final deal with the Congress also added a one-year cut in the payroll tax for Medicare and Social Security.

Obama said again last week that he wanted to let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire, this time on Dec. 31, 2012.

Terrorism • As a presidential candidate, Obama vowed a broad reversal of Bush's policies toward suspected terrorists. Most pointedly, he said he'd close the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and try suspected terrorists in civilian courts.

"I have faith in America's courts," he said in a 2007 speech. "As president, I will close Guantanamo, reject the Military Commissions Act, and adhere to the Geneva Conventions."

He ran into a (shitstorm) of opposition, however. Members of Congress balked at transferring suspected terrorists to U.S. prisons. New Yorkers balked when his administration said it would try accused Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a civilian court in lower Manhattan.

Last month, he changed course, saying he'd keep Guantanamo Bay open and would try Mohammed before a military court.

Echoing Bush, Obama also has asserted that he has the power to hold suspected terrorists without charges or trial, and that he has the power to kill U.S. citizens abroad if his government considers them a terrorist threat.

Military • In his campaign, Obama signaled that he'd be far more circumspect than Bush was in using military power. He did say he'd send more troops to Afghanistan, which he has done, and that he would attack al-Qaida in Pakistan, which he has also done.

But he opposed the Iraq war from the start and said he didn't think the president should wage war for humanitarian purposes or act without congressional approval, absent an imminent threat to the U.S.

"The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation," he told The Boston Globe in 2007.

On March 19, the U.S. attacked Libya on humanitarian grounds, absent any threat to the U.S. and without approval from Congress.

Some of the changes in Obama can be attributed to the passion of campaign rhetoric's giving way to the realities of governing, analysts say.

"He is looking less like a candidate and more like a president," said Dan Schnur, the director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California. "He has discovered that it's much easier to make promises on the campaign trail than it is to keep them as president."

Some of the surprising continuity of Bush-era policies can be tied to the way Bush and events set the nation's course, particularly on foreign policy. "Morphing into Bush was not a willful act," said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "It was acquiescence to the policies his predecessor shaped and the cruel realities that Obama inherited."

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Re: Is Obama Morphing Into Bush?

It sure seems that way, of course bush was no fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination. No longer can/will a president carry out the duty to fulfill the interests of the American people in mind, everything is multi/trans national these days. . . sad.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, get used to it.
 
No president/prime minister can be their own man. External influences will always influence their decision making, there are powerful influential people out there pulling all the strings and they were there long before both Bush and Obama came to office and will still be there after Obama is gone.
 
presidents are puppets.

I agree whole heartedly. I believe all Presidents/Prime Ministers are controlled by someone else. I'm sure a lot of them meant what they said on their campaign trails but when they get into office all of a sudden they've got a couple of bilderberg types sittin there waitin for them to tell them the bad news. "Congratulations Mr President on your election victory. There is just a few things you need to know. 1. You're not in charge, we are. 2. You're just here to be a figure head. Shake the kids hands, take pictures, go to dinners and all of that stuff. And finally number 3: If we like you and you do your job correctly, you will be able to keep your job for 8 years and not just 4 :).
 
Political reality hits any President and almost always dashes their campaign bluster.
 
these wars are costing money,that is certainly no help in the face of obama being a tax n spend dem.i think he is in way over his head as president at any rate.
 
The problem is he walked into the White House when the economy cratered and that gave him the cover to shift away from the campaign promises and into "how am I going to solve this" mode.

He did attempt to fix our embarrassing health insurance scamsystem but was met with so much resistance from coward, cry baby bitch republicans and the tea party shamsters that it probably convinced him that no change was better than trying to work with little bitch Republicans.

Ultimately we forget that a president has limits on his power. A single Senator is more powerful than the President. That's sad.
 
Political reality hits any President and almost always dashes their campaign bluster.

In Obama's case that has nothing to do with it. He simply hasn't exercised leadership on some issues (tax cuts, GiTMO).

If Obama had the political machinery Bush had and joined at his hips policy ideologues running both houses of congress for him....Obama would be on track to be re-elected in a landslide right now.

As it stands Bush was much more of a 'change' agent than Obama.

I haven't seen in my life time nor have I read about a time when in practical terms a president steamrolled by hook or crook policy and agenda like Bush 43 and his congresses.

Had Bush effected good policy (and not come off as such a clown) he would have gone down as probably the greatest (honestly)....certainly mentioned among the greatest presidents.

Just think if Bush used the machinery his administration wielded to sell the virtually unprecedented means of invading Iraq for some more worthwhile, groundbreaking policy; if he'd reorganized FEMA under DHS and it responded to Katrina flawlessly or was willing to go around the law to bring and end to something like waste, fraud and abuse the way he was able to go around FISA courts, etc. or used his aloofness to the politically untenable in order to reform practices that allow firearms to end up in the hands of the mentally ill where he and the country could have ended up?

Oh..how I wish Obama was morphing into Bush.
 

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Moving to a trailer in Fife, AL.
the president is a figurehead for the powers-that-be in Washington. Argue all you want about the petty stuff, it is all smoke screens and posturing.

We don't have money for the unemployed or the nation's infrastructure or the education system but we have plenty for other nation's civil wars and stupid, corrupt bankers?

Think Bush was the mastermind behind his administration's actions? Seriously, you think he was the mastermind?
 
the president is a figurehead for the powers-that-be in Washington. Argue all you want about the petty stuff, it is all smoke screens and posturing.

We don't have money for the unemployed or the nation's infrastructure or the education system but we have plenty for other nation's civil wars and stupid, corrupt bankers?

Think Bush was the mastermind behind his administration's actions? Seriously, you think he was the mastermind?

Whether he was or not, his administration got every policy they wanted. That rarely happens if ever.

If they were all controlled by the same people, why are some able to push different policies while others are not?

Re: Obama and Bush differences...Obama ran on the policy he's employing in Afghanistan..that's not a bait and switch. He wanted to close GiTMO and try those accused in court but sorry ass Holder couldn't make the case nor did Obama seem to have the will or time to see it through. He ran on ending the war in Iraq..Bush did it for him a month before he was inaugurated. He still opposes the Bush tax cuts on the top 2 pct. but the Demo 'leadership' in congress didn't have the stones to get it done before they were kicked out. His policy on Libya seems to be part of some broader thing being cooked up or fomented by us in the middle east...the change from Bush there is the people are rising up there as opposed to us doing it with our military. In Libya we're assisting an opposition and while I disagree with the current policy, we'll see how it turns out....
 
no no all is well, the world is heading in right direction, gas prices and food prices going up is a good thing, the dollar being devalued is also a good thing so everyone just move along, there is nothing to see here, these aren't the droids you are looking for
 
Whether he was or not, his administration got every policy they wanted. That rarely happens if ever.

I think that's still a bitter pill to swallow.

The reason Bush and Turd Blossom Rove were able to get "shit done" was because they used "fear tactics" to dare people (Dems and sensible Republicans) to go against them. If you objected to Bush's policies you were branded "a traitor" or "anti-American."

Nevermind that Bush and Rove were making decisions about stuff that they had no business making decisions over. The ridiculous idea of forcing through the greatest tax in the history of America DURING "war time" was the dumbest decision ever and a decision our nation probably will never recover from.

The Great Depression lasted over a decade. Our economy is much more complex than it was back then. It stands to reason we're probably going to have to survive 20 years or more before the economy returns to where it was right before the Bush tax cuts. :anonymous
 
One of Obama's biggest problems is that he compromised too much, tried to play nice with the other side of the isle too much, and caved in waaaaayyyy to much. Things like health care come to mind especially, and instead of that being fixed and run ethically for all people because it's a human right is almost as bad as before and is an example of what half-assed measures get people. He also was too nice to people in his own party. It became a fault. He should have grabbed and set the agenda as president instead of letting others even in his own party screw around. Being borderline tyrannical like some Bush era stuff isn't right, but not showing initiative and leadership when the country is going through terrible times isn't good either. A president needs to be both commanding and ethical in times like that.

Being gutless and not having the gumption to end our conflicts in other parts of the world really isn't one of his high points either.
 
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