Is it contradictory for a pornstar to be a christian?

[GodsEmbryo]

Christianity's forgiveness is a wildcard? Wow! That's what you don't understand, guys: we are all sinners, we can all do our best to gain forgiveness through faith. There are people following the Bible literally who might not be saved because in truth they have no faith and there are atheists who may find the faith a moment before they die and get salvation, just to make two opposite examples.
There is no contradiction in sinning and being a Christian.

“Salvation is not of works, but of faith”.

Christianity's forgiveness is indeed a wildcard. No matter how good you live your life, or no matter what bad things you do in life, for christianity it's enough to ask for forgiveness to "earn your path to heaven" once again. Like you said all you need is faith. And as long as you have this "faith" - and I know I'm putting it rather offensive - people can be the biggest shithead on the planet, they can rape, murder, steal all they want because all they have to do is ask forgiveness. That sounds like a wildcard to me.

When it comes to "There is no contradiction in sinning and being a Christian" I can only repeat what I wrote earlier:

You have a religion where church and scriptures basically say that sex outside of marriage and sex for pleasure is a sin and shouldn't be done. For a big part of your life you are doing a mortal sin (meaning: deliberate turning away from god) and you know that you are doing a mortal sin because as a christian you have to try to avoid it. So, knowing that you turn away from god for a big part of your life and yet calling yourself a christian is a contradiction.

I think it's the way you put it. Sinning is part of Christianity and it evolves alot around sin. But it still is a contradiction to willingly live your life in sin and still call yourself a Christian.

 

[assari]

people can be the biggest shithead on the planet, they can rape, murder, steal all they want because all they have to do is ask forgiveness. That sounds like a wildcard to me.

The rapist may receive forgiveness, but the murderer gets always a first class one way ticket to hell.

 

[GodsEmbryo]

The rapist may receive forgiveness, but the murderer gets always a first class one way ticket to hell.

For someone who is always so full of his religion you don't know your stuff very well. There is only one sin that is not forgiven and that's blasphemy against the holy spirit. But nowadays the Catholic Church teaches that only dying and not being sorry for your sins is the only unforgivable sin. Could be wrong about the latter though.

 

[dakdak]

what if you look at the calvanist perspective? you have no control at all over your salvation. they believe that work is done and predestination determines who is saved and who is not. the porn star may be predestined to be saved while the baptist pastor is predestined to eternal hellfire.

how does that sit with all of you

 

[laidoff2]

One word answer: no

 

[xfire]

I don't wax religious very often, but that's not to say I'm not a man of faith. Sin and confession aren't free, neither is salvation. You can't in good faith confess and ask forgiveness to merely turn right back to what you asked forgiveness for, that's heresy and a formula for backsliding and losing your salvation. It is contradictory to be a pornstar and a christian at the same time, that's a tough truth, but the truth, nonetheless and it doesn't apply solely to pornstars, it applies to all of us. You can't sin, ask forgiveness, then just keep sinning and call yourself a christian, what you are is a backslid heretic that uses religion as a personal comfort. That's fine, people are free to do whatever they like, worship however they choose, and anyone is free to call me wrong if they like, after all, it's just religion and it's really only between the sinner and God.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I don't wax religious very often, but that's not to say I'm not a man of faith. Sin and confession aren't free, neither is salvation. You can't in good faith confess and ask forgiveness to merely turn right back to what you asked forgiveness for, that's heresy and a formula for backsliding and losing your salvation. It is contradictory to be a pornstar and a christian at the same time, that's a tough truth, but the truth, nonetheless and it doesn't apply solely to pornstars, it applies to all of us. You can't sin, ask forgiveness, then just keep sinning and call yourself a christian, what you are is a backslid heretic that uses religion as a personal comfort. That's fine, people are free to do whatever they like, worship however they choose, and anyone is free to call me wrong if they like, after all, it's just religion and it's really only between the sinner and God.

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to xfire again

 

[SabrinaDeep]

...it doesn't apply solely to pornstars, it applies to all of us... it's really only between the sinner and God.

Sorry xfire: that means that being a Christian is contradictory for everybody? So there are no Christians in the world? The Pope doesn't sin? To me it rather confirms that it is not contradictory for a pornstar to be a Christian. We are sinners like anybody else. Salvation is not directly related with being a Christian, in fact a Buddhist or a atheist get a chance for salvation too and a Christian doesn't get it necessarily. If we applied the rule that only those who don't sin can get salvation, then there is no salvation for anybody and Jesus coming over to pay-for / wash sins off humanity that yes would have been contradictory. Think of other religions: muslims, for example...there would be no heaven for the moderate muslims as they don't follow the Quran literally, while instead those that we call terrorists would be the only one getting a shot to the 72 virgins. There is nothing contradictory in professing a religion or a creed and eventually failing in part or in full at it: the outcome "is really only between the sinner and God", when time will come.

 

[Johan]

Being a christian pornstar is as contradictory as being a jewish nazi, a conservative homosexual, a marxist billionaire or a nymphomaniac nun

 

[dakdak]

i find it quite appalling that conservative homosexual is in the same field of discussion as jewish nazi

 

[HansMoleman]

I have a problem with the title and discussion in this thread. You might as well say "Is it contradictory for a [any sin] to be a Christian?".

Christians believe sin is sin. So alcoholics, liars, adulterers, fornicators, etc. would all be in the same boat as pornstars IMO. Can anyone say they do not sin?

I have nothing wrong with pornstars being Christian, or any other faith. It's a job, and its less demeaning than many others jobs we have in our society.

And lust is also a sin, so people reading this who criticize pornstars might need to check themselves. Unless you just come here for the articles.

[/rant]

 

[dakdak]

i think even more problematic is where the people here feel qualified to judge who is a good and bad christian. if you are going to follow christian teachings you are not to judge other christians, but leave that to god. some here have a pretty righteous attitude and call out porn stars while posting on a porn board. does anyone else see the irony in this?

 

[xfire]

Sorry xfire: that means that being a Christian is contradictory for everybody? So there are no Christians in the world? The Pope doesn't sin? To me it rather confirms that it is not contradictory for a pornstar to be a Christian. We are sinners like anybody else. Salvation is not directly related with being a Christian, in fact a Buddhist or a atheist get a chance for salvation too and a Christian doesn't get it necessarily. If we applied the rule that only those who don't sin can get salvation, then there is no salvation for anybody and Jesus coming over to pay-for / wash sins off humanity that yes would have been contradictory. Think of other religions: muslims, for example...there would be no heaven for the moderate muslims as they don't follow the Quran literally, while instead those that we call terrorists would be the only one getting a shot to the 72 virgins. There is nothing contradictory in professing a religion or a creed and eventually failing in part or in full at it: the outcome "is really only between the sinner and God", when time will come.

My post, which you dissected, is very clear; "You can't in good faith confess and ask forgiveness to merely turn right back to what you asked forgiveness for". Go ask any reputable man of the cloth of any denomination and there will be no dissension from that opinion. If you ask for forgiveness with no intention of atonement and change then you're not sorry for what you've done. You can't serve two masters, until you're done with the sin with which you seek forgiveness you're not repentant. Of course we're all human and we all sin and you can continue to sin and ask forgiveness, but a Christian sees his life of sin and seeks to rise above it. It's a dangerous game of chicken to think oh, I'll just stop my sinful ways later, ask for forgiveness and all will be right. Again, you may disagree, and that's fine, that's one of the things that makes the First Amendment so fundamental to American society, but if you want a strict interpretation of New Testament thinking on sin, forgiveness, atonement, and repentance you won't find one much more accurate than what I've described. And don't forget I'm not one to proselytize or preach, but I do know my way around scripture.

 

[sean miguel]

I agree with xfire. Christianity and pornography are in no way compatible (and assari is an atheist troll). Yes, according to the bible, Christ says to forgive someone "seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-35) but that's when there's genuine contriteness.



That's all I'm going to say. I'm on a porn board and reveling in it.

 

[Johan]

I have a problem with the title and discussion in this thread. You might as well say "Is it contradictory for a [any sin] to be a Christian?".

Christians believe sin is sin. So alcoholics, liars, adulterers, fornicators, etc. would all be in the same boat as pornstars IMO. Can anyone say they do not sin?

I have nothing wrong with pornstars being Christian, or any other faith. It's a job, and its less demeaning than many others jobs we have in our society.

And lust is also a sin, so people reading this who criticize pornstars might need to check themselves. Unless you just come here for the articles.

[/rant]

Depends. Atheists would say they don't sin 'cause, since there's no God, there's no sin. But Christians would say atheists are constantly sinning.

Lust is a sin. fornicating is a sin. Pornstar's have made it their job so christian pornstars are either ashamed about themselves and what they do for a living or highly hypocritical about themselves, their job and their faith.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

I have a problem with the title and discussion in this thread. You might as well say "Is it contradictory for a [any sin] to be a Christian?".

Christians believe sin is sin. So alcoholics, liars, adulterers, fornicators, etc. would all be in the same boat as pornstars IMO. Can anyone say they do not sin?

I have nothing wrong with pornstars being Christian, or any other faith. It's a job, and its less demeaning than many others jobs we have in our society.

And lust is also a sin, so people reading this who criticize pornstars might need to check themselves. Unless you just come here for the articles.

[/rant]

Indeed the only judgement that counts for a Christian is the one from God when the time comes. Judging in the name of God is as sinful as taking a bbc (white too, before the moralists jump in) up the ass for work or lust, so, again, the OP title and its supporters are nothing more than a fart on a windy day, for a Christian: it doesn't even smell or make a sound. In the meantime they wank at porn, in some cases hidden from their girlfriends and wives.
Happy tittytuesday, everybody.

XFIRE, i totally agree that sinning does not get cleared just because one day you say loud "i repent!". And then again being a Christian does not imply automatic salvation. Being a Christian means to follow the Jesus teachings as best and most importantly as sincerely as you can. Failing at it may affect salvation, not your creed. There's nothing contradictory in being a pornstar and a Christian. Sorry, if i insist. I wish we could talk this in person, because doing it on a forum is a really tiring, faulty job, at least for me.

 

[Johan]

Being a Christian means to follow the Jesus teachings as best and most importantly as sincerely as you can. Failing at it may affect salvation, not your creed. There's nothing contradictory in being a pornstar and a Christian. Sorry, if i insist. I wish we could talk this in person, because doing it on a forum is a really tiring, faulty job, at least for me.

When Jesus saved that prostitue from being stoned by an angry mob, he didn't said her "Ok now go back to work, bitch !", he said "Go and sin no more" for there can't be forgiveness if you keep doing that sin you've asked God to forgive you for.

 

[assari]

For someone who is always so full of his religion you don't know your stuff very well.

The murderer can not get to the heaven and also the tortuter is doomed.

If you break the fifth commandment you end up in hell.

It is one hundred percent sure.

 

[Johan]

The murderer can not get to the heaven and also the tortuter is doomed.

If you break the fifth commandment you end up in hell.

It is one hundred percent sure.

You mean every single man who had to take arms to defend his country is now in Hell ?
A policeman who had to shoot a criminal to save his own life is in Hell ?
A SWAT team member who shot a criminal to save a dozen hostages is now in Hell ?

 

[GodsEmbryo]

The murderer can not get to the heaven and also the tortuter is doomed.

If you break the fifth commandment you end up in hell.

It is one hundred percent sure.

So you call Jesus a liar?